Remove all lobbying and campaign finance

>Remove all lobbying and campaign finance
>Only tax payers can vote
>You get more votes in proportion to how much tax you pay

Thoughts?

Soros buys your country in 3...

> implying that your votes even matter

Rich cunts are going to buy elections and politicians no matter what reforms or memes you put in place. At least this way you know it goes into tax revenues and its all public and declared.

>You get more votes in proportion to how much tax you pay

Survey says, 'Fuck You!'

Some rich Wallstreet fuck getting more votes than the guys that work to provide the food for his sorry ass?

Not in this lifetime.

But the rest sounds good.

If you don't give them the vote they can buy, they will lobby and campaign finance reform themselves into oligarchy and this will happen every time without fail. This way it incentivizes the rich to stay loyal to the system and not shadily buy out politicians as they can just point to the publicly declared vote share.

It is just historical fact people with large amounts of currency have political influence, don't fight the tide, direct it.

>You get more votes in proportion to how much tax you pay
No, fuck that. Let only tax payers vote so only the people paying for all the welfare can vote, but after that make every vote equal.

>>You get more votes in proportion to how much tax you pay

Kill yourself.

Good until the last line. You tried.

>You get more votes in proportion to how much tax you pay

Considering that just about everything you deal with on a daily basis has some form or another of "tax" associated with it, how do you propose to discriminate what "taxes" matter in said vote(s), and which do not?

>>Only tax payers can vote
Sure
>>You get more votes in proportion to how much tax you pay
Hell the fuck no

Why isn't it that only tax payers can vote? I thought that's how it always should have been

More vote for more tax, are you dumb? Then you just create an even stronger elite

It used to be only land owners which for most purposes was all the tax payers then in the 1800s it was opened up to common man.

Theres always going to be an elite, it will always be influential, get them to pay for their influence with tax money.

Hmm. Well I do like that actually but now I just fucking hate that illegals get to vote in certain states.

You're incorrectly assuming that by allowing the cash to get more votes, you'll get them to quit buying even more votes.

This is a fallacy. You're just making it even easier for them to do shady shit that will make even more of a difference.

>the only way to fix a broken system is by making it worse

If you try to reform lobbying and campaign finance right now, it will face massive pushback and will never be fixed. If you provide a legal and reasonable outlet that also incentivizes providing revenues for state programs you can then close the loopholes as the influence that is going to be there regardless has a more productive outlet.

Yes, but the elites now have a more direct method of picking who gets power.

What would you prefer, someone getting in power only to be beholden to elite interests behind closed doors, or a public declaration of record of who is backing the leader, so they can constantly get shit or have their companies boycotted if they are doing some degenerate shit.

There is no world where the rich don't have influence.

>Remove all lobbying
The left will never do this. People who claim this is a good idea never think this means their lobbying efforts for environment, free medical, or free education, or anything they support. That shit mysteriously isn't lobbying.
Get rid of Greenpeace? No! You want to poison us!

So... give the rich more power to decide who gets office... and then expect them to put in someone who will agree to lobbying and financing reform.

Yea, good luck with that.

I'm saying if you would ever pass lobbying or finance reform, pushing this system would be one of the only ways as donors with good public images would stand to gain over other interest groups.

It would mitigate the problem as much as it possibly could be mitigated. Once again there is no political system with capitalism where the rich do not control policy to some extent.

All you would be doing in the long run with this type of foundation to push reform is simply shifting who the lobbying groups decide to target. Instead of the actual candidates and whatnot, they'll just switch their attention to the root of the cash flow.

And in turn it will just keep them going, if not make them more of an issue.

>You get more votes in proportion to how much tax you pay
Mhhh, no. But what about this:

>Before voting you must pass a test of Political knowledge
>Topics like "what are taxes being used for", "what is the social composition of the country", "what is each candidate defending", "what's the country's role in the international sphere".
Depending on the accuracy of your results, you vote weighs more or less. All questions are based on obejective data and reviewed by every party before elections.

This not only decreases the political power of ignorants that dont understand the system, it also encourages voters to get informed before going to the election if they want to be heard.