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who exactly are you trying to bait you colossal faggot? Sup Forums is a Christian board

시간의 끝은 이미 암석으로 새겨 져있다.

This is the worst bait.

That girl in the picture is super ugly..

What's the story behind this girl?
Is she from some Christian music video or something?

>what are man made consequences?

these people are not "moral" but are scared little bitches who submit to the might of their governments and are trying to make them feel better about the situation by claiming that they choose to be moral. no you dont you dumb atheist animals. you will act like your supposed to OR ELSE.

she's from the neverending story movie

That's Hillary Clinton you insensitive fuck

>2015
Still posting these memes

Christians are cucks
Catholicism is the only uncucked religion

They truly cannot exist without a omnipresent and omnibenevolent God.

Heathen morality is essentially, "All is permissible as long as I can get away with it."

Praise be to the Most High Our Father and His Son Jesus Christ.

Amen.

>morals
>morals
pick 4

actually ethics > morals. but you can only understand it if you drop the bible and study some philosophy. When you take your code of conduct from a external source, you are taking lots of risks. When you reevaluate your morals and test it in a propper manner you can tell if a centain value is good or bad.

>Catholicism is the only uncucked religion
If you enjoy sucking on nigger toes I guess. Orthodoxy is superior. Even fucking Mormons are more respectable than your average Cathlick nowadays.

You can have morals as an atheist if you have high enough IQ

Religion provides morality for the unwashed low IQ masses. There's a reason why the leftists such terrible people

kekism is the only true religion

My first movie crush.

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so if you're not religious you can't have morals? wtf, if you need religion to distinguish what's right and what's wrong you lack empathy not religion. i hate Sup Forumss logic. like yesterday i said i want all people to have shelter, food and free healthcare. i was called a liberal sjw. ten years ago, i would be just called a good person without stupid political labels. politics is for faggots.

I missed you brother

>i said i want all people to have shelter, food and free healthcare.
literal retard tier christian logic.

>Not being agnostic atheist

Mashallah, brother!

why is it retarded to think people should have basic human rights, wtf. i didn't say right to abort or kill, it's about fuckin food, water and shelter. something you would even give to a dog you find on the street if you're normal person

>Catholicism is the only uncucked religion

>i want all people to have shelter, food and free healthcare

So communism?

Fuck off sick fuck.

>agnostic
literally a cuck

>if you need religion to distinguish what's right and what's wrong you lack empathy not religion
Keep telling yourself that hedonist. If there nothing guiding your morality you will find ways to justify whatever you want to do, that's how monkey brains work. Anyone who doesn't understand this is lying to himself and still a slave to his own urges. You can only be truly moral if you surrender your ego to a higher power.

There is theoretically a code of morality that's objectively the best one to spread human will in harmony with the nature of the universe, this is the objectively true code of morals left to us by the definer of the core laws of the system we evolved in.

its you again

no

what movie is this from?

Fucking seriously? Were you deprived a childhood or are you just underage b&

1st thing, hedonist? i am everything but that, i am more moral person than any religiios prick i know. because their morality comes from repression, my morality comes from my good soul. to explain, i am againt abortion , but not because some authority told me it's right, but because inside my heart i know it's immoral thing to do.

The Neverending Story

It's shit don't bother.

>thinks he knows something unknowable with absolute certainty
literally a dumbass

>why is it retarded to think people should have basic human rights

Because that is not how the world is designed.

There's a finite number of resources and we need to decide who gets them, because everybody can't.

SOME people, need to starve if we want to live in a free world.

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I'm a Christian and even I know this is BS OP.
Posts like this aren't helping anything.

Being a Christian does NOT mean = a good person

We are sinners too

I choose atheist

that is bullshit. if all resources were equally divided among humans, nobody would starve. speaking about all wealth accumulated in this world divided equally, every person would be millionaire.

I'd suck Atreyu's dick :^)

Was it you who posted your cock on imgur a few weeks ago?

Post paintings made by famous politicians.
>Ghost of Iraq
By George W. Bush Jr.

>every person would be millionaire.

And a loaf of bread would cost 1 million dollars.

Humanity expands at an exponential rate. It's impossible to continually feed such a population.

All the great technology we have today is a result of SOME people having a vast surplus of resources so that they could devote a lot of time towards research.

If you feed everybody today, you give up on the future.

>I'm against abortion
Until it doesn't suit you anymore, you say yourself you only take this position because it feels good. You are a hedonist seeking pleasure with no regard for anyone else.

> i am more moral person
Nope, you are a selfish, arrogant, spoiled fedora, euphoric only from years of masturbating your own ego.

Haha, yes!

I hope you get AIDS you fucking queer

Ma'am, are you coming on to me? :^)

If anythinhg atheist have better morals because they don't act nicely because they want heaven and are afraid of hell

>if all resources were equally divided among humans, nobody would starve.

Jose is now a millionaire.... continues to pick strawberries for 4$ per hour.

You communists are such fucking simpletons.

Or maybe, just maybe, Jose really, really likes the taste of delicious, tasty strawberries?

Have you ever stopped to consider that? No, of course you haven't.

Go back to Sup Forums faggot. Sage

It's not bait. A true sceptic has zero basis for their morality besides "It feels good". Atheists who claim otherwise are not being intellectually honest, or are just too dumb to realise the truth of their position.

t. ex-nihilist

>A true sceptic has zero basis for their morality

This is wrong. There is a rational case to be made for morality and ethics because it stabilizes a society.

Stability is good, therefore pursuing it is rational.

>ex-nihilist
You used to worship Darth Nihilus?
I mean KotOR 2 was a good game but that's taking it a little far.

NO NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN

Moral actions are good for their own sake.

Nobody has any basis for morality besides
>It feels good
or
>It is good for its own sake.

>Moral actions are good for their own sake.

But that's just not true. Moral behavior yields specific results and effects in social interactions. Therefore, moral actions are not simply good for their own sake.

Tnx, did not wqtch movie. So why people use it in these atheiat threads? Tnx for answer in advance.

I've only watched it a couple of months ago for the first time, it's cheesy af, but in my view she represents everything good in this world, she is the personification of a society driven by values, which, in its essence, is humanism.

Humanism implies atheism.

You only want a stable society because that "feels" right and good to you. You can and will change your mind any moment if this doesn't suit you anymore. You can't be trusted with anything, your real ideals and motivations are a complete mystery.

Most Christians do not believe in a literal heaven or hell, traditional Christian morality here is not based on fear of punishment but conviction gained from seeing the results of following God's word. Through Christ is the way to eternal salvation, the framework He lays out are the blueprints for securing our future and living in harmony with the laws of nature.

Now I know you have grown up in a christian household and private school your entire life, that or you are a social outcast. to think this way
>A true sceptic has zero basis for their morality besides "It feels good"
It's called not fucking people over it's really simple you do not deliberately make people's lives harder if you don't have to

>You only want a stable society because that "feels" right and good to you.

The fact that it feels good is not the cause, it's the outcome of the rational decision to create stability..

What's so moral about doing what a heavenly bully commands you to do at the point of a hell?

>(((someone))) needs to teach me what's good and bad because I lack any common sense and capacity to think by myself
Nice to know.

You have no basis for wanting anything except because it feels good to you, there is no logic to your worldview. You don't understand what religious philosophers of the past were talking about so you dismiss it and ridicule it while you jerk off to cartoon horse porn.

>It's called not fucking people over it's really simple
You are a child and it's not simple, read things, go to non-burger church.

>Moral actions are good for their own sake.
Says who? What is "good" other than what you feel is good?

You gave no argument. All you did was ad hom me. You're not as smart as you think.
>it's really simple you do not deliberately make people's lives harder if you don't have to
Really? Why is that? Because it "feels" right?

meant for this guy
The laws of reality are a "bully" now? Poor german furfags need to obey the laws of the natural world and can't be with their 2d waifus in animeland (yet). Boohoo faggot.

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All religious people should hide in their comfy cuckshed and stop bother normal people with their shit.
Especially christians. Just fuck off allready.

No actually It's because it IS the right thing to do
I don't need a magic sky daddy to write the book of morals for me, that and the book he didn't write is filled with atrocities he commanded his people to do.
the first part was not an insult, like you I grew up like that

There are no religious philosophers. Philosophy is inherently analytical, while religion isn't. Religion, insofar as it is "revealed" through a "prophet" and handed down from generation to generation in the form of scripture, is nothing more but glorified literary studies.

"Good" is just a label that we slap on a desired outcome, and if you deny that there can be a rational basis to desire a certain outcome, you deny the existence of rationality and reason altogether and reduce everything, including yourself, to mere emotion.

>>It's called not fucking people over it's really simple
>You are a child and it's not simple, read things, go to non-burger church.
Not an Arguement

>Choose one
having morals enforced by belief system vs not having them enforced.

Stop falling for the eternal jews divisive bullshittery.

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Would smash that ass. I'm an atheist btw.

>No actually It's because it IS the right thing to do
ACCORDING TO FUCKING WHAT!? You're right, humans never had any disagreements or killed each other throughout history because they couldn't decide what was good.

>I don't need a magic sky daddy to write the book of morals for me, that and the book he didn't write is filled with atrocities he commanded his people to do.
>implying that the bible, let alone your particular interpretation is the only valid version of God

>the first part was not an insult, like you I grew up like that
Yes, maybe I did grow up like that. However, I grew out of it in my 20s and after that I was an atheist for 10 years. You are full of shit and one day you might realise it too.

>The laws of reality are a "bully" now? Poor german furfags need to obey the laws of the natural world and can't be with their 2d waifus in animeland (yet). Boohoo faggot.
Is that sort of empty and abrasive talk what you think your religion can offer to people?

Morals are relative. They exist for societal cohesion, survival, and propagation. Even ants have basic morality. No "higher" meaning required.

>not having them enforced
Equals: "Whatever I feel is justified today."

May as well not call them morals at all. Call them by the correct word, "feelings".

You don't know anything about religion or even logic it seems.

The old testament God is defined as the Word that defined logic, the ultimate origin of the laws that create our world. Christ is defined as an embodiment of the more refined Greek philosophical concept the Logos, a concept that relates God to everyday life and morality much more than before.

>there can be a rational basis to desire a certain outcome
No, you can only logically construct an argument given a premise, logic only works within the bounds you set it. There is no rational basis to desire anything except to try to find and follow through with God's will, the originator of reason and logic. Christianity is the struggle to become closer to God, it's the religion of scholarly research, art and culture. Modern science emerged from the scholarly tradition of the monks who were also prolific artists. My nations history is entirely Christian, there was no literary culture before Christianity.

>Morals are relative
Thank you for being honest about your beliefs.

>Philosophy is inherently analytical, while religion isn't.
Is this bro serious?

>"Good" is just a label that we slap on a desired outcome, and if you deny that there can be a rational basis to desire a certain outcome, you deny the existence of rationality and reason altogether and reduce everything, including yourself, to mere emotion.
I am saying there is no basis for any desire aside from it feels good.

>Morals are relative.
Close enough to the truth.

A more accurate explanation would be the organisms that have good feels for stuff, which makes them survive are the organisms that survive.

Even then there's no reason to actually want to survive. The atheists that don't realize this just aren't smart enough to question the most ingrained desires.

>thinks he knows with absolute certainty that a particular thing cannot possibly be known

This is a 10/10 post. I couldn't have said it better.

>implying that the bible, let alone your particular interpretation is the only valid version of God
Please re-read the Old testament and tell me how I'm supposed to interpret it any other way? as if stoning people to death over gathering sticks for a fire on the sabbath is supposed to be "interpreted" as moral punishment
>ACCORDING TO FUCKING WHAT!? you are out of your 30s but you still need a parent to tell you how to live your life. you do not need a celestial Overlord to tell you murder is wrong
It causes unnecessary suffering. If you don't want it to be done to you don't do it to others inb4 that's Christianity! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule that's called the golden rule and was created long before Christianity
>humans never had any disagreements or killed each other throughout history because they couldn't decide what was good.
As if Religion made that issue any better

>2015
current year maymay is only good if you are aware of the current year

Moral beliefs and moral codes are not the same as morality. You wouldn't claim that just because someone thought Jupiter has no moons that this is true, or that because a culture collectively built itself upon the belief that the sun revolves around the Earth that it is therefore true. So why, in the case of "morals" as you put it, do you think the objective question can be dismissed? Moral statements like "it's wrong to murder someone in cold blood" are objectively true or false no matter what people believe or cultural traditions dictate. And morality isn't identical with "social cohesion, survival, and propagation" as you say, since many times morality demands what is directly at odds with those things--when you need to stand against the common but immoral practices in order to reform them, or you need to sacrifice your own life. There is no guarantee that morality leads to human welfare, happiness, or survival. You should think more about this stuff.

Why not? If I can gain a lot for fucking someone over why wouldn't I?

Arbitrarily defining something does not make said definition logical in any sense of the word. If they did, then any scripture of any religion would automatically be logical and thus undeniable. Clearly this is not the case, and thus your very own definition of "logical" has been proven illogical.

>Is this bro serious?
It's as serious as it's true. Like mathematics and logic, philosophy is an analytical science
>I am saying there is no basis for any desire aside from it feels good.
"Feeling good" does not exclude rationality, the two are not diametrically opposed at all. Something can be rational and "feel good" at the same time. It's an incredibly frail criterion to distinguish between "rational" and "non-rational".

We're nowhere even remotely close to the point of knowing, if it is even possible. So yes, it is retarded to think you know.
Please enlighten me though, how exactly would it be possible to know with absolute certainty that god does or doesn't exist?

You can but that's immoral

U G L Y

You don't own me. I'm choosing both.

It's you from Sup Forums. The Never-Ending Shitposter

>morality
>being a cúck to everyone else's expectations
Choose two and only two

Do you know any of that? Hmm get fucked.

Why?

>I have to believe in a two thousand year old book to be allowed to want shit in my life

I hate religious fucks so much.