I have never come across a legitimate argument why drugs shouldn't be legal

I have never come across a legitimate argument why drugs shouldn't be legal.

If someone wants to do anything from puffing on a joint roach to injecting meth in their dick on their own property, the government should have no powers of interference whatsoever. If they get behind the wheel or do something else to endanger others, by all means throw the book at them.

Regulate all substances through the FDA for potency and purity and sell them at specialty shops where clerks are obligated to educate their customers on harm reduction. A huge chunk of the drug issue would get solved overnight.

Every argument against drug legalization I've ever come across has been from either libcucks or hypocritical "small gubment" conservatives, and they're all horseshit without a morsel of logic or hard evidence to back them up.

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businessinsider.com/what-happened-when-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-2016-3
medicaldaily.com/portugal-drug-experiment-heroin-decriminalizing-drugs-382598
mises.org/library/portugal’s-experiment-drug-decriminalization-has-been-success
independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/portugal-decriminalised-drugs-14-years-ago-and-now-hardly-anyone-dies-from-overdosing-10301780.html
mic.com/articles/110344/14-years-after-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-here-s-what-s-happening
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>Government shouldn't have the power to interfere what so ever in the well-being of it's citizens
There's no point in arguing with you ancap

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Would normally say this is obvious but since pol has become an authoritarian cesspool, youll get the only possible argument which is moral policing and
> muh degenerates

>hey you can't smoke weed
>just have a nice healthy cup of liquor

It's the hypocrisy of it that really bugs me. You can't claim to be interested in saving lives and protecting people and then in the same breath feeding them poison.

And really what the fuck are you doing by making it illegal? Forcing them to go to the streets where they can never be sure of its potency, or what it might be mixed with. Christ you can't even get xanax without fearing it might be pressed with 100x morphine grade opiates that will kill you.

Shit be dumb mang.
>leaf

People are generally dumb and don't know what's good for them. This is a core redpill.

I have good self-control, and I'd like the opportunity to use whatever I want without legal repercussions, I can and have at numerous occasions stopped whenever I wanted. I'm sure a lot of other people are like this.

But most people aren't, I've seen many poor sods waste away through their addictions, driven to scumminess and anti-social behavior to finance their habits.

Have you ever actually had ketamine?
You obviously haven't otherwise you would know from experience, like I do, that drugs like that should never ever be legalised.

You buy pharms off the street?

You deserve to OD.

> legitimate argument
Government can ban whatever it wants and nothing you can do about it.

God no I don't, exactly for the reason I stated. I'm fortunate enough to be aware of that shit.

Natural selection. Junkies won't break NAP anyway, it's sacred.

Drugs remove an individual's ability or capability to rationally deduce what is best for them.

Cocaine, Heroin, Marijuana, provide altered states of being that are irrational.

From an an-cap standpoint, all methods of transaction depend on the rational interests of the individuals performing the transaction. State to person, person to person, etc.

If people undergo changes that remove their ability to be rational, then they cannot engage in rational transactions, and thus cannot engage with others and remove the central tenant of Capitalism/an-cap.

Drug addicts represent a danger to society

So then what's the endgame? When do cigarettes become illegal? Or booze? When will processing refined sugar get you a knock at your door from the federal government? That's right, never. Because the real answer to ops question is lobbying from the pharmaceutical companies.

So you're a doc shopper then?

What insurance do you have?

> Why drugs shouldn't be legal.

Because nobody likes to have stoners around, most of them provide little or no value at all, only problems.

If you've known one junky, you've know them all. For one that can handle his shit, you have 9 that can't.

Drugs are degenerate, wasting resources on pleasuring yourself is degenerate.

Doc shopper? Is that someone who goes around looking for a doctor who will give them whatever they want? Not really. I have a lot of anxiety so I get ativan now and then. Sometimes they give me a lot and it's clearly enjoyable to 2-4 mg and just have a relaxing night listening to music. I've just been exploring my options for recreational use and they pretty much don't exist outside of the tremendously risky.

Right, so how much ativan are you getting per month, and is that from a GP or a Psychiatrist?

how about capital punishment for dealers

It's hard to take something away once you've given it. Like it or not, alcohol and cigarettes have been embedded into the overall world culture and deeper down on the national level. The rest of the drugs have not, and there is nothing good to be gained from introducing drugs to the general population. Keep in mind this is from someone who's used many different drugs, from my personal experience I have deduced that the majority of the population would be irreparably fucked if all drugs were legal.

My uncle is a heroin addict. His addiction is damaging for the entire family and only after he went cold turkey in prison he got his shit together. OP is a faggot
Drugs should be decrimilized, but legalized? Naw, some drugs are way too harmful and addictive

Extra ordinary states of consciousness are taboo, misunderstood, threatening, and scary to our culture and the powers at be.
Beyong that, certain susbstances like alcohol, tobacco, pharma have monopolized this market.
I'm with you bro. Weed is going well, unless Trumps ag takes the case to the states, inw hich vase dark tikes are ahead.
MAPS is in stage 3 of clinical mdma trials
Lsd and shrooms are being researched outside the us for end of life anxiety etc
I think funding and backing is still an issue but the culture seems to be getting ready
Mdma seems likely soon with otsd and veterans. Harder psys seema like a greater challenge
The opium epidemic might complicate things

Not every drug user is a junky. Millions of people have regularly used a currently illicit drug without negative consequence to their daily lives. With many you wouldn't even know it unless they told you.
We already deal with alcoholics without bringing back Prohibition.

An anecdote and an ambiguous line in the sand, interesting.

I got 60 mg total from a GP over several months while my paxil kicked in and for dosage adjustments but they clearly won't give me anymore so riperino.

Why so curious?

Portugal legalizes all drugs like 15 years ago. As a result addiction drops by 50% and drug crime is virtually non-existent. No one wants to do anything that is no longer considered taboo. Human nature.

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Can I get a name? I'm filing a report with his regulatory board.

Portugal didn't legalize drugs, they decriminalized them, which means that possession for personal use is no longer a crime, whereas trafficking and sale of drugs still is. I agree with this position.

He'd better not fuck with the weed states. That shit is doing so much good and bringing in so much money.

If you actually know drug addicts and take a serious look at their lives, you will realize very quickly that they are destroying themselves through addiction. It ruins lives, user. It's horrible.

>but muh alcohol qnd cigarettes
If these were previously illegal and not heavily ingrained into large parts of society, then many of the people fighting against weed legalizazion would also oppose alcohol and cigarettes. The problem is that once something is legal, it's very hard to get rid off. Also "Evil A is legal so why shouldn't Evil B be aswell" is a childish argument.

What is your report going to include? "A canadian who posts on Sup Forums said he got x amount of ativan from a GP to treat his anxiety while his legally prescribed ativan kicked in. I don't know the name, age, or gender of said person, or the GP, where this person is from or where this person goes but yeah, figure it out"

not all Sup Forums
Drugs should be legal. Could you imagine retiring early off of a decade of hard work at a legal cocaine farming operation? It would educate the public and offer a plethora of new avenues for profit and recreation/ $$$$$$$.

The FDA should check the drugs and individual distributors can sell them, much like how bars are operated now. That being said, corporations and business would have the right to drug test you and hire you according to however they see fit. If Mama Maureen's Bakery decides that heroine and crack are the only two drugs employees can wank on during their shift it's their right to deny pesky weed smokers, cocaine users, rectal injection of ecstasy etc...

That's a good start, yeah, I'm also going to use phrases like "patterns of drug-seeking behavior" and words like "misappropriation"

The pharma big shots know all about cocaine fueled rampages, they just don't want the rest of us to have fun.

Marijuana is no less a part of Americana than beer, ice, and grapefruits despite being illegal for 79 years.

I did 3 keys of coke at 9PM. That's a lot of coke for someone like me. I was really drunk though, and that wasn't really good quality cocaine.

just because your a pussy who can`t handle a k-trip doesnt mean everyone else shouldnt take it too. there`s a reason why it should be taken at home with a trip sitter, pussy.

i thought aussies were supposed to be superior alphas.

That's really going to narrow it down for them.

Bullshit. Oxy isnt an ingrained part of our culture yet its somehow legal.

>inb4 doctor prescription
>that applies to liquid heroin but not a plant you fucking left wing cuck
>mfw

How come Poland has more cosmetic surgery offices than supermarkets, and how come the produce section is just cabbage and potatoes?

This. Porn is also extremely degenerate and damaging but it shouldn't be banned.

> Not every drug user is a junky.

Just because some of them can handle their shit doesn't mean they all do. Most don't.

If you tolerate drugs, you'll end up dealing with a lot more junkies. Enough of them can fuck up a community, just like addicts destroy their own family.

I'm not saying there aren't arguments on both sides, I support decriminalizing drugs, but saying they should all be legalized is retarded.

I think it should. The whole industry should be destroyed.

They're monetizing the human sexual act, and producing nothing of value.

This is a weak argument.
Lack of sleep makes you less rational; better ban staying up.

There are people who would still be more rational on Acid than some people not under the influence.

Some people can't handle the every day shit people can handle. Like driving. Maybe we should ban cars. I mean really, what argument is that?

I use drugs (that I don't actually enjoy) for magical purposes

So muh freedom of religion

Is it true that Serbia has a ratio of 5 houses for every 1 functioning shower?

cool shit, op. lets legalize bath salts

What kind of statistic is that? Though I assume no.

And then your brother gets hooked on meth after his girlfriend dies in a car accident and, as you try to get him out of it, he slowly ruins his life.

Then assholes like OP are like LOL Y THOUGH

Hitler took on the DMT
Stalin took on the DMT
Mao took on the DMT
THE DMT
THE DMT

If people are watching it then it has value. Get your socialist bullshit and keep it to yourself

>keep it to yourself

I don't think I'm gonna. Change your degenerate ways, you'll feel better.

Okay, so what is your plan then? To legalize everything and "let nature figure it out"? Why should I listen to the opinion of someone who can't even live without poisoning his brain and who can't figure out for the life of him why other people might oppose that.

You're right people don't use drugs
If the are illegal!

because its impossible for him to get meth as it is? Dipshits like you miss the point, he would have to go into a store, put his name on a list, and be told by a professional of all the possible side effects knowing that its atleast pure as opposed to some random making it in a hotplate in his studio. Legalization would also lessen the stigma on getting treatment for addictions when they occur.

It's called 'drug seeking behavior", and it's very common. My cousin is a junky. She works as a paralegal, and can hold her shit together with one or two pills before work, a couple at lunch, and then takes a handful when she gets home. Every day. She's been doing it over a decade. She works, so she's not stealing. Yet. She pretends to have fibromyalgia, and when a doctor cuts her off on her scripts for percs and oxies, she goes and finds a new one. She has at any given time 40 prescription bottles on her sink, all opiates. She had scripts in 5 states. She's avoided being put in the system so far, playing games with her old unmarried ID, married ID, and new ID post-divorce where she changed her name to her middle name.

People like her are EVERYWHERE these days. If someone claims fibromyalgia, odds are they're a junky.

How many people are going to bother with bath salts if they have better options?

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Left Ketamine is probably the best drug ever, combining the hallucinogenic potential of LSD, a short tripping time and very low collateral.
(if you don't take it daily).

The thing with bath salts is they were legal when other drugs got banned. Drug laws caused bath salts; there wasn't an issue like that when you could legally buy methamphetamine in an inhaler.

I agree with less government intervention in the personal lives and choices people make, regardless of whether it harms them or not as long as they don't harm other people.

Instead of arguing hypothetical and opinions, why does nobody in this thread research the only country to legalize drugs and the effects it this has had on drug use: Portugal.

so do Sup Forums addicts. /argument

I dont disagree with your assessment but morality is a personal freedom here in God's country.

>Not every drug user is a junky. Millions of people have regularly used a currently illicit drug without negative consequence to their daily lives.
But that's the outliers. The vast majority of addicts create turmoil, pain, and suffering to the people around them. They destroy families, relationships, and businesses.

Go volunteer in a drug clinic, rehab, or attend some al-user meetings sometime. Then tell me how non-destructive drug use is.

Your prime minister told me, he said body odor is a public health crisis in Serbija.

Yes? If you seriously want to do heroin or meth after someone explains to you the side effects then go right ahead. and I know why they oppose it I just think its bullshit hypocrisy. It being illegal doesnt stop people from doing it and saying otherwise is just being retarded. Sorry but all you're doing is making sure that hard earned druggie money is going to gangs, most of which arent even American

Our country would not accept the tidal wave of death that would come from the decriminalization of drugs.

It's just not happening. Pot will be legal, within a decade, at the Federal level, once big tobacco really invests in it.

Opiates will never be legal, except by prescription. The drug companies won't allow it, anyway.

Yet it's easily demonstrable that AA meetings represent the minority of drinkers.

As a quick primer - and you can look up your own sources and check for yourself:

businessinsider.com/what-happened-when-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-2016-3

>rug-related HIV infections have plummeted by over 90% since 2001, according to the drug-policy think tank Transform.

>Drug-related deaths in Portugal are the second-lowest in the European Union. Just three in a million people die of overdoses there, compared with the EU average of 17.3 per million.

>The number of adults who have done drugs in the past year has decreased steadily since 2001.


medicaldaily.com/portugal-drug-experiment-heroin-decriminalizing-drugs-382598

mises.org/library/portugal’s-experiment-drug-decriminalization-has-been-success

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/portugal-decriminalised-drugs-14-years-ago-and-now-hardly-anyone-dies-from-overdosing-10301780.html

mic.com/articles/110344/14-years-after-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-here-s-what-s-happening

Like I said, you can research it for yourself, but instead of simply arguing you can look into the only place this has been tried in the real world. It makes for a very interesting case study and deals in reality rather than rhetoric.

It's a trade off, cars serve a purpose, drugs don't. You being able to drive a car means you can go to work farther away from home, it adds value to your community unlike staying at home getting high on your couch.

There is no reason to ban something when the positives outweigh the negatives. You getting high has no value to anyone but yourself while the inconvenience of you potentially not handling your shit comes at a cost to your community.

Yah, sure, I totally believe that after being around the recovery movement for 20 years.

The only reason you believe that is becuase you think it props up your personal agenda to get high.

In other words, shut the fuck up and go get loaded, and stop bothering people.

>muh you can't smoke weed but you can drink liquor

Liquor has flavor and can be enjoyed for what it is, unlike dudeweed which is only an intoxication-induction device.

>Dont bother with statistics go get yourself some anecdotal evidence and base your opinions on that

Drug war in a nutshell

He would know, his hair always looks like he showers bi-yearly, the greasy, brit-toothed faggot.

this is obvious bait, try harder

That's pretty fucked, yeah. Not something I'm really interested in spiraling to. Sorry to hear that about your cousin, mate.

>Regulate all substances through the FDA for potency and purity and sell them at specialty shops where clerks are obligated to educate their customers on harm reduction. A huge chunk of the drug issue would get solved overnight.

I'm more for doctors doing this. Can be a bit more controlled.

What's the difference betwen the money going to a gang or going to big Corporation? Both only serve their own self interest. And if you say that that the state would take a cut: don't you want less state, not more?

>There are people who would still be more rational on Acid than some people not under the influence.

Absolutely. Fear of the unknown causes much worse and more dangerous hallucinations than acid, but it's not seen as an illness because sufferers can function in familiar situations and blame their illness on anyone who triggers it.

outlier junkie < built-in damages from criminal cartels

>Italian
>thinks the culture and gastronomy behind wine can be compared to inhaling fumes from the combustion of herbs

You are a shame to your country, Beppe

A third of the entire country drinks alcohol on at least a somewhat regular basis and only 20 million in comparison have problems with alcoholism, so how about you shut the fuck up unless you want to bring something other than your useless anecdotal experiences to the convo

José, I bite your bait, but you do yourself a favor and try some Strawberry haze
or some Charas cream
or some Purple haze
or some The Church
before spitting bullshit

People losing their lives to indentured servitude in for-profit prisons based on personal decisions they made in their own home?

>I have never come across a legitimate argument why drugs shouldn't be legal.
Because hard drugs are bad for the fabric of society.
Now you've heard a legitimate argument.

>You can never compare to this fabricated culture by a billion dollar industry you degenerate

Oh, so decisions that you make in your own home should all be legal? Even if they're proven to endanger others, whether you intend to or not?

>I have never come across a legitimate argument why drugs shouldn't be legal.

because the state earns mad money from it being illegal you dum dum

freedom of personal choice > fabric of society unless you are a fucking commie

well the main argument is that it prevents harm to users

i fail to see why this isn't prima-facae classed as a 'legitimate argument' -- after all, we don't allow people to enter into situations that are dangerous to themselves in many other cases -- you even list some? explain, if we aren't granting some important to preventing harm over individual freedom (insofar as those can be reasonably considered opposed, which i often doubt) would be oblige drug companies to institute safety practises, file legal claims, educate users etc etc

>They're monetizing the human sexual act, and producing nothing of value.
They are keeping people from raping each other you dumb prick.

There's a line in the sand between the government ensuring we don't eat contaminated meat and being our fucking babysitter.

>wasting resources on pleasuring yourself is degenerate
What a completely miserable life you must have.

>kay, so what is your plan then? To legalize everything and "let nature figure it out"?
Goddamn right, that's what it means. Why should an asshole that doesn't even live where I live decide on what I do or not?

Smoking is legal yet I don't do it.

lets ban motorbikes !

motorbikes are degenerate
motorbikes cause death and injury to thousands every year


sure some people like riding them but....

wont somebody think of the harm these evil things are doing to our children !!!!!!!

Throw in price controls as well.
It's fucked over every other industry they've used it on.

Ancaps crack me up. No monumental architecture, no moral standards, no communities, no conquest, but hey, at least you can finally enjoy those drugs in peace. (Until your neighbour's tomahawk missile blows up your house because the smoke from your blunt crossed his property and thus violated the NAP)

This is why people hate anti drug people you fucking cabbage

You do realize that near 80% of entertainers/ceo's/investment bankers/ect are MASSIVE coke heads right? The people I see at certain places still blows my mind