STATES CHANGING VOTING MECHANISMS IN AN ATTEMPT TO BENEFIT DEMOCRATS

HOW ISN'T THIS ALL OVER Sup Forums?

>The Great State of Maine changed its voting system two weeks ago.

>If this system had been in use in Michigan and Wisconsin, and the Stein voters had chosen Hillary Clinton as their second choice, Clinton would have carried those states.

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chances of a civil war if the election is flipped? probably like 100%

So you can just always vote independent then and your vote still goes to the democrats anyway?

What the fuck what happened to one person, one vote.

They sold this to people here by telling them it would empower third parties, but in reality it basically eliminates their chances of ever winning. It all came about because they were butthurt about based Le Page getting elected.

This is more of a preemptive change though. They want to make sure what happened in this election cycle won't happen again.

My thinkings exactly.

DO IT YOU FAGGOTS!

That should be illegal, unconstitutional, bring it to a challenge, voting rights arent up to states, they are defined in the constitution. You get 1 vote.

Yes, this is essentially what it boils down to. We had a three way governor race and a big percentage went for the independent candidate. Dems got upset because the independent candidate spoiled their chances they openly admitted that this is why they were pushing ranked choice voting but had the audacity to also say it would empower third parties.

>unironically against ranked voting

You do know that Libertarians would have a second choice too right?

What it's the difference between this and single transferable vote?

The fact that isn't in office cleaning up this shit with his administration is absolutely disgusting.


PEOPLE, NEXT TIME GET INVOLVED WITH ELECTIONS BEFORE THE MEDIA RUBS YOUR FACE IN IT.

And Johnson got like 3x as many votes as Stein. Whose to say the libertarians wouldn't have put Trump as their secondary?

It means next election we will see, given the same circumstances, 70% democrat and 30% republican votes, and 0% independents because they were automatically turned into democrat votes

>democracy

You think all those stupid never trump never Hillary weed man voters would have picked trump?

They would just pick whoever Buzz feed says is progressive, they don't give a shit, they have no morals.

>unconstitutional
It for our gubernatorial elections. Our state constitution say the governor is decided by a plurality of the vote. It will be challenged for that at least.

It should be noted that it does not apply to presidential elections.

You are a fucking retard. Clinton won Maine in the first place.

>all of that grey land
what lives there?

The principle is that reactionaries shouldn't influence politics, this is what Maine is legitimizing.

You can't "win Maine" their votes split up.

that's the voter's choice to make. If they only want to vote 3rd party, they can

For the federal election they are defined, Im pretty sure this would never be possible in a presidential race as you get 1 vote, 1 choice.

animals

>you can't win Maine
Trump 1, Clinton 3

Australia does this system country wide its fucking bullshit, one person one vote skip the shit

So trump won something too did he?

Neck yourself, my man

Doesn't the one person one vote ends up in a two party system?

kys pedantic faggot, getting 1 electoral vote out of 4 is not winning

>Doesn't the one person one vote ends up in a two party system?

Yes, all the posters here are either shitposting or are legitimately retarded enough to think just because Trump won having two globalist parties cuck third parties from having a chance is a good thing.

Anyways, anyone who doesnt like that state, just move to the

>five-state region of the Northwestern United States — viz., Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Wyoming, and Western Montana (or the western part at least to Interstate 15).

Nothing human. Only Canadians

dude kys luhmow

TRS pls go

sounds like an orgy.

It's not loading either is it?

If there is not a loser then there is not a winner. Go back 2 first grade nigger.

>you get 1 vote, 1 choice.

Popular vote is meaningless federally, states can decide how people vote for their electors that represent them in the Electoral college

That's nowhere in the US Constitution. It only protects the right of people to vote for electors of their choice. No stipulation on how that's carried out, only that people get to vote The state can do whatever the fuck they want beyond giving people a vote. Shit, the chosen electors could then decide their votes based on a game of Scrabble for all the federal government cares.

AMERICAN COUP WHEN?
CIVIL WAR 2: ELECTRIC BUGALOO WHEN?
>Inbf4 libtards losing it within a week because niggas don't have AR-15s like rednecks.

Get ready for a constitutional convention and the extremely right wing constitution that comes from it fag :)

people feel more secure voting for a third party

neocons/neolibs in the R&D Party become SUPREMELY asshurt when people, no longer feeling their vote was just "thrown away", feel secure in voting 3rd party instead of voting for the crooked one-party system that has been sitting in Washington DC & running the USA into the ground

DRAIN THE SWAMP

lol no one cares is why
Fuck drumpf

The individual votes do matter and the number of electoral votes given to each state represents the number of people who live there, so that California wouldnt have the same power as Maryland.

>Secondary candidate???

What in the ever loving fuck is this faggotry?

If you'd had this in '92 Bill Clinton never would've got in the first time.

Individual vote has no bearing on representation in congress, that is done through the census.

stfu you don't know shit or you are straight up lying.
No, you have the option of voting Dems or rep or some fourth party as #2.
Wrong.
Same thing when you are only voting on one office. STV is usually what it's called when voting in multi-member constituencies.

Oy vey, but then how can we get globalists to win?

ayyyy!!!! hol up hol up hol up! you mean to tell me dem johnson supporters could ave voted fo Trump?

Im just saying that the individual votes matter because the power allocated to their respective states in the form of electoral votes are representative of the number of people who live there.

I understand it was sentiment directed at assmad Hillary voters who think the popular vote decides anything.

I don't really understand what you're trying to say. California could have 1% voter participation, but it would still have 55 electoral votes

How would that be a good thing? He's the one who saved America from warmongers and reaganomics.

Inform yourself before you Shrek yourself.

youtube.com/watch?v=3Y3jE3B8HsE

>itt people who don't understand instant run off voting.

The person voting gets to pick who gets preferenced ie.
1. Gary
2. Trump
3.Hillary

Or

1. Trump
2. Gary
3. Jill

Or whatever combination they come up with. This will help legitimize 3rd parties as you can no longer say "my vote doesn't count". If implemented across more states it'll virtually gaurentee both Jill and Gary getting above the 5% needed to get federal funding. This should help in fracturing the duopoly that the repubs and dems have as people will no longer feel forced into one of 2 parties.

the elections already over, why are people still living in denial? funnily enough all the libtards here already got over and are just going on with their lives, I firmly believe it's just a small bunch of people in US who can't deal with it and for some reason media is pushing this shit

aint no on got time for this shit nigga

>being against instant runoff voting
>being against the rise of viable 3rd parties
>being for spoiler candidates
>being for strategic voting
>wanting the 2 party system to exist

Seriously what the fuck is wrong with you? It should be this way in every state.

>they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President

>they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate.

etc.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

These niggers couldn't hardly decide between two choices. And they want to give them all the choices. Should be lulzy.

That's the fucking electoral college dumbass, not how people elect electors

The people dont elect electors, dumbass.

All this does is make protest votes obsolete. You aren't protesting anything if your vote goes to a main candidate anyway

This is a good thing, though.

Hey, cool, I didnt realize that you could elect Trump and Kaine if you wanted, or Hillary and Pence.

Not that you would want to.

>The people dont elect electors, dumbass.

>Choosing each state's Electors is a two-part process. First, the political parties in each state choose slates of potential Electors sometime before the general election. Second, on Election Day, the voters in each state select their state's Electors by casting their ballots for President.

archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/electors.html

>The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed,

>First option Protest vote A
>Second option Protest vote B

they din du nuffin

Sounds like a retarded idea.

>The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed

>appointed

Electors are appointed. Electors elect.

The purposes of the 12 amendment was to fix this.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1800

>The election exposed one of the flaws in the original Constitution of the United States. Members of the Electoral College were authorized by the original Constitution to vote for two names for President. (The two-vote ballot was created in order to try to maximize the possibility that one candidate received votes from a majority of the electors nationwide; the drafters of the Constitution had not anticipated the rise of organized political parties, which made it much easier to attain a nationwide majority.) The candidate with the most electoral votes would become President and the candidate with the second most would become Vice President. The Democratic-Republicans had planned for one of the electors to abstain from casting his second vote for Aaron Burr, which would have led to Jefferson receiving one electoral vote more than Burr, making Jefferson President and Burr Vice President. The plan, however, was mishandled. Each elector who voted for Jefferson also voted for Burr, resulting in a tied electoral vote. The election was then put into the hands of the outgoing House of Representatives, which, after 35 votes in which neither Jefferson nor Burr obtained a majority, elected Jefferson on the 36th ballot.

>To rectify the flaw in the original presidential election mechanism, the Twelfth Amendment, ratified in 1804, was added to the United States Constitution. It called for electors to make a discrete choice between their selections for president and vice-president.

But what happens when every libertarian marks the republican as #2

>I am too much of a cuck to vote for something I believe in if there is no backup behind it.

So pretty much exactly what I was saying all along, you cant have 2 choices.

If anything it would be easier. Hate Trump but dislike Hillery.

1.Jill
2. Hillary
3.Gary/what ever the fuck you decide to put down

Or
Hate Hillary but don't like Trump.

1. Gary
2. Trump
3. Whatever

This way you can vote for whoever you want without worrying about helping the other side win. This is particularly true in swing states where people are reluctant to vote 3rd party because they're worried that a vote for 3rd party is a vote for the person you don't want to win.

You still can't comprehend that the selection process for electors is up to the state? The constitution defines how electors choose a president.

oh my fucking god, that's an awful idea.

I hope it doesn't catch on.

WHY IS THE LEFT WILLING TO WATCH AMERICA BURN?

We are not Europe and we never will be.

Literally every president since Carter has dragged us into war.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_Bill_Clinton_administration

lol wtf is this shit"You can now vote for three people." Fuck off.

Assuming the libertarian candidate doesn't get enough votes to win, the republican candidate will get their vote. That's how IR voting works.

They're hoping it makes people educate themselves on the parties more. Should be interesting

Why?

From Maine AMA

>niggers don't know how to count so their ballots are spoiled more often

How can Sup Forums be against this?

You're right it allows the roughly half the dem party who supports Bernie to vote for Jill with out worrying that doing so will help Trump to win. Like wise with republican voters and Gary.

The end outcome of this should be the fracturing of the major parties with minor 3rd parties been forced to be treated as legitimate.

A possible interesting out come would be that it becomes impossible for anyone to get 270 electoral votes. So all presidential elections come down to Congress choosing the winner.

Based Bill started a wall on the Mexican border and deported millions though.

This system is great. It's a way to move away from the two party system.

I don't think this is a good change, simply because it doesn't fuck over the minority voice as much.

They are the minority, so you fuck them over and get shit done. The top two voices are what we roll with, damnit.

This isn't cuckrope, shit or get off the pot and out of the way.

No it fucking isn't.

Why not? It's not the end of course, but it's a step towards making third parties viable

And in every country

>A possible interesting out come would be that it becomes impossible for anyone to get 270 electoral votes. So all presidential elections come down to Congress choosing the winner.

This could happen now though (even though it's highly unlikely). I don't see how IR voting would make it any more likely as most people who do choose a 3rd party as their first choice will likely choose a major party as their second.

It's too late. Wisconsin and Michegan are already right-to-work states as is Missouri.

We lucked out with Trump, but we can't depend on based billionaires stopping the globalists every single time.

That would be just lovely

>If

i'm literally shaking in my nazi boots

if you think anything less than a meteor can keep the don from getting in office you're a fucking lunatic

>inb4 shill

listen stein is a kike through and through she already said she can't guarantee all the money going to the recount, she needed 2.5 but got 7. still tweeting anti hillary shit. she's funding her 2020 campaign, kikes gon kike

I'm thinking in the long that every state implemented this then eventually you'll get a couple states every election who will go 3rd possibly leaving one candidate stuck short of the magical 270.

>MAKE THIS SPREAD LIKE WILDFIRE!!!!1
is this tumblr all the sudden?

fuck it, if they steal it, then we're in for the greatest happening of all time

Also do you retards not understand that this is being implemented for future elections and not retroactively for the 2016 one?

Oh, I got ya.

Yeah but legitimizing 3rd parties could end up in some of them sooner or later winning few STATES in which case distribution could potentially be
REP 260
Dems 265
Third party 17(?)
>nobody wins

Fuck off, TRS!

If you want to vote Clinton then vote Clinton. Don' vote for your meme green party and wonder why Clinton lost.