One must understand that the socialism aspect of National Socialism isn't an economical one, it's rather a mindset/philosophical one.
It can be summed up as: To each his own, but above all, the common interest before self interest.
>“’Socialist’ I define from the word ‘social’ meaning in the main ‘social equity’. A Socialist is one who serves the common good without giving up his individuality or personality or the product of his personal efficiency.
>Our adopted term ‘Socialist has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not. Marxism places no value on the individual, or individual effort, of efficiency; true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community. All great inventions, discoveries, achievements were first the product of an individual brain. It is charged against me that I am against property, that I am an atheist. Both charges are false.”
>One of the most plagued questions we get when talking about Fascism is economics, normally brought up by people still stuck in a liberal mentality and limited scope of perception, where everything is defined in term of social and economic policies, rather than principles derived from the notion of a singular Truth and Order that dominates the world. The variety of historic economic plans and practices maintained by various champions of our Struggle likewise distorts any comprehensive answer to the question. All in all we've simply answered people that economics are secondary, they don't matter in such a way as to be a fundamental and defining element of Fascism. The answer didn't change, however there is now a way in which we can describe this attitude to economics, and it's actually a word we've used repeatedly in reference to Fascism anyway: Socialism.
>Our Socialism, however, is not in of itself an economic system, it is not the Socialism of Marx and co and stands in direct opposition to both Communism and Capitalism. It would be more accurate to say that to Fascism, Socialism is the definitive social structure which is more comparable to the structures of Individualism and Collectivism, yet it stands in opposition to those two structures as well.
You are a dying breed in this place SHILL. Go suck Spencer's cock at >>>/stornfront/
William Hall
A National Socialist government guarantees zero unemployment by making it duty of the state to assign a living-wage job to anyone and everyone who wants one. Private businesses, whose task is not to put people to work but to be a reliable provider of their professed products/services, are justified in not hiring more employees than they need to provide their product/service in the required quantity (and no more than this quantity). It therefore falls upon the state to create public works projects – typically in infrastructure, community service or any other field that passively benefits the country as a whole - capable of absorbing all the workers that the private sector cannot absorb, as demonstrated in the Reichsarbeitsdienst and related programs of National Socialist Germany. Note that such assignment should never be compulsory upon anyone, but merely be an offer that is always open. This is not to say that community-minded private businesses cannot also help absorb the unemployed – they could readily do so (and would be actively encouraged to do so by a National Socialist government) by splitting each full-time job into two or more part-time jobs for corresponding fractions of full-time wages until all competent workers have been absorbed. It is mindblowingly simple when you think about it.
>It is the high task of our national economy to direct the consumption power of our people along lines which can be satisfied out of the resources of our own national production. - Adolf Hitler
Cooper Hughes
Fascism is the only answer to Communism
Richard Spencer is not NatSoc, but a step in the right direction.
Cooper Rogers
Whoever you are OP, you are a hero. Bumping
To the firing squads with you, cuck.
John Thomas
Oeffa and MEFO bills were issued by the government in Germany to fund public works and the rearmament program, respectively.
My understanding of them is that these were essentially receipts for goods and services that were redeemable for normal currency in a period of anywhere from 3 months to 5 years from issue.
Stormfriends in particular claim this is economic genius, and apparently, Wikipedia agrees that this fuelled economic growth in post-WW1 Germany. I am not an economist so I don't understand entirely, which is why I'm curious.
Are promissory notes in this fashion, then, a legitimate financial strategy by governments in deficit (or in general) to fund public works and stimulate the economy? Doesn't this just act as regular currency and lead to inflation? But then how, especially under the National Socialist government, did the German economy apparently flourish so well?
Pic related, Hjalmar Schacht, Reich Minister of Economics when MEFO bills were issued.
Michael Sanchez
>muh stormfront normies get out
Matthew Cox
Hjalmar Schacht was very smart. Scored 143 IQ points on a test in Nürnberg.
>But then how, especially under the National Socialist government, did the German economy apparently flourish so well?
>these were essentially receipts for goods and services that were redeemable for normal currency in a period of anywhere from 3 months to 5 years from issue So, like "war bonds" in every allied country. The cognitive dissonance is incredible, in every aspect of this historical era. >Stormfriends in particular claim this is economic genius, and apparently, Wikipedia agrees that this fuelled economic growth in post-WW1 Germany But someone is going to roll out the pretense that there are absolute 1 to 1 relationships between financial derivatives and commodities or credit... as if that's ever the expectation (or the actual practice) of anyone else, anywhere... Also, the MEFO bill criticism treats national economies as interchangeable, when the opposite is observably, objectively the case.
How did we completely poz ALL education on the subject of WW2 history? Its like the postwar world is constructed on an endlies series of bizarre, intricate lies that interlock.
I'm not an expert in NatSoc but can anyone tell me if my country's leader is one?
>loves the country >loves army and police >has described himself as a "socialist" >told commies that we can wage war for another 40 years or peace talks >said, "you motherfucker, I am not afraid of you. you are nothing", to commie leader who is a coward and staying in europe afraid of being executed on site
William Murphy
Can anyone here explain me thoroughly the state of the personal freedom in Nazi Germany during and before the war? I know that the level of personal freedom was much greater than in the USSR but what were the laws about gun ownership there?
Benjamin Powell
Shouldn't you be prepping Ahmed, Hans? Don't want Merkel getting wind of you posting Nazi paraphernalia.
Aaron Morgan
>It can be summed up as: >To each his own, but above all, the common interest before self interest.
Contradiction. Also, there is no "common interest". the "community" does not exist in reality, it is a concept; therefore it cannot "demand" anything. It's nothing else than collectivist bullshit, enforcedby violence. Soit's still socialism and still shit.
Ryan Reed
Gun ownership was toned down in the Reich. There were no guns for non-Aryans. Generally people in the military could own personal guns.
As for most other personal freedoms, aside from the state-controlled press, and the race-laws,you were pretty free to do what you wanted.
Angel Fisher
/NatSo/ generals are among the oldest ones on Sup Forums, /new/. You faggot.
Josiah Allen
>There were no guns for non-Aryans No problem then.
Jeremiah Williams
no you were not free. My grandfather fought in stalingrad as a wehrmacht soldier and I've heard enough stories from first-hand eye witnesses to see through your romanticized fairy-tale natsoc fantasies.
Luis Young
>NATIONAL SOCIALIST >(((SOCIALIST)))
Gavin Barnes
Weapon law 1938: - "Waffenerwerbsschein" is needed to buy a gun - firearm licence is needed to carry and use - Wehrmacht or executive does not need licences
§ 15 Firearm licence - you have to stipulate a need - you have to be 18 years old - be sane and reliable - no Gypsies
Ok then, instead of being a faggot, how about you state these "stories." Much better than dismissing history with your unfounded claims.
Bentley Clark
Are there any mathematical models behind it? The only fascist economist I remember trying to systematize his thought into mathematics was Pareto.
Aaron Lopez
No, I won't touch your beloved echo chamber, fag. I'm talking about the gestapo as enforcers of thought control and the lies about how Germany was foced into war. War was inevitable from the beginning, as it is the case for every socialist system. It is about totalitarian intervention in every aspect of living including children's names, and generally taking children away from parents to indoctrinate them. It really s nothing particularly special about natsoc - National socialism is just another flavor of socialism; an ideology of man-babies who want a strong state to take care of everything.
Luke Walker
>No, I won't touch your beloved echo chamber, fag Confirmed for bullshitting faggot with no argument. Kneel before the Reich, Ubermensch.
Daniel Allen
>Ubermensch
Well I dun goof'd. Called an Untermensch an ubermensch.
Noah Wilson
I think countries developed their own styles of Nationalism depending on their history/mysticism such as Haeckels's social Darwinist ideas and Volk thinking of Germany which fed ethno nationalism.
Not too clued in to Flip history. Bit I would say Dutuerte is a based rightwing leader to, though not exactly graceful. He's sick of (((outside))) and degenerate influences in his country and is currently going through a typical NatSoc/Fascist transitional stage of rooting out the parasites and scum that will lead to the right wing utopian dream.
John Martinez
The joke is, you libertarian logic works as a model. But in reality you cannot accept that humans are not rational or equal. Degenerated masses are already destroying our foundation of our civilization. You lost already your libcuck utopian dream of free speech and soon you will also lose your right to exist. You cannot defeat degenacy with passivity and liberalism. There is no freedom for everyone, especially risk groups like kikes, gypsies or females need to be controlled or they are destroying the whole nation.
But Libertarians are evolving into NatSoc or tribalists, so there is hope for you my austrian comrade.
Cameron Gonzalez
Oh look, it's this thread again.
Give it up losers.
Blake Gutierrez
National Socialism, like Marxism, is a peasant ideology. The collectivism and despotism that it lauds are common to all cultures, but individualism and liberalism, which it seeks to destroy is the unique heritage of the West. It's not a coincidence that Hitler was such a fan of Islam, authoritarianism is a base and third world way of organizing society. National socialists were crushed by the American empire in WW2, and they will be again should they ever rise to any relevance.
Kayden Diaz
Flip history is very blurry during the commie insurgency around 70s-80s. We had our share of dictatorship who led the nation to become a first world country at that time. But that dictator also incurred huge debts because of allegations of corruption and violation of human rights (torture, killings, martial law arrests, disappearances)
The opposition at that time was reported to have supported commies and used subversion to become an influencial and piwerful political family, complete with propaganda and martyrdom to secure their version of democracy and freedom from the dictator.
But as the years went by, our country further sank into poverty with only a few elites profiting which coincidentally have connections the the liberal party that overthrew the dicator.
Now these two sides are still waging a war against each other. One side accused of commie indoctrination and the other side being called revisionists and facists.
Really hard to get the absolute truth of our history which just leads to more depression and no development.
Just look at the /asean/ threads on Sup Forums
Luis Sanders
>authoritarianism is a base and third world way of organizing society And look where the alternative got us? Liberal capitalism led us to the shit show we're at today. >National socialists were crushed by the American empire in WW2, and they will be again should they ever rise to any relevance. Well, by American Industry and Soviet bodies, two virtually infinite forces of nature against a country half the size of Texas.
Oliver Bell
American industry didn't appear by accident, it isn't some force of nature. It's the hard won fruit of labor and ingenuity directed by self interest, protected by an ocean from poisonous doctrines from a tyrannical old world. America became prosperous because we embraced Capitalism and rejected the dangerous ideologies that tore Europe apart many times over.
Noah Adams
More economic freedom to live your life as you see fit
Landon Hill
The Third Reich was supposed to be a meritocratic republic.
Germany has always been authoritarian to some degree until we lost the war. If there is a peasant ideology it's the idea that anyone should have a say in politics, even the most useless, moronic, incompetent rabble. Look where your cherished "true Western" system has gotten you. Whites make up little more than 60% of the US. If your country were a pure democracy, Hillary Clinton would've won the election and Republican victory would become impossible due to the massive influx of illegal immigrants, perhaps forever.
The big red pill is understanding that the most extreme democracy leads to the most extreme despotism, and that rationality and balance should take precedence over ideological dogmatism.
Nolan Hill
Western Europe was just as prosperous as America. Most of our economic models came from Europe. Thats such a simplistic isolationist worldview way of thinking you have.
Mason Peterson
Sieg Heil!
Christopher Sanders
Do y'alls really look at this photo and think, "Wow, I want society to be like that."? To me it looks like a collectivist nightmare, like a high school auditorium rally turned into a political system.
Benjamin Martinez
Deled dis thread fuggggg
Sebastian Adams
How do you guys feel about the alt-right?
Sebastian Turner
Fehler Heil!
Anthony King
Good idea at the beginning.
Now it's Reddit-tier.
Kevin Torres
Bumping with a must-read
James Anderson
>Now it's Reddit-tier. what about it specifically don't you like?
William Rivera
I think maybe these people like the idea of being in high school forever. They're like the male version of single mums, they want daddy state to look after them and give them direction and purpose.
Blake Hall
You man-children are legitimately worshipping an autist
Owen Gutierrez
Nothing wrong being christian.
Jackson Sullivan
Well I don't know, if I was a random guy with a terrible life in Vienna who suffered the terror of war and I became a great leader, I would be pretty jolly too.
Xavier Hughes
Yes
Carter Ramirez
How do your feel about the rise of Kekism?
Mason Jones
My thoughts too. The US election may have come down to some really primitive Mommy vs. Daddy-type shit. And the reason for that is, of course, that 80% of the nation vote based on childish emotions. The libs have on stupid dogma, the right-wing has a different stupid dogma.
Cameron Taylor
Now that I think about it, I guess it's not that surprising that so many guys who spend a lot of time online went for Trump. It's the same kind of guys who write essays about feminazis, Chads, and having no male role models. Of course they'd support a daddy figure.
Samuel Myers
Kek= jesus????!?!!!?!!!
Kevin Ward
The uniforms and pageantry are awesome, and I mean that -- awe-inspiring. The Nazis knew how to draw people in visually, and it still resonates today.
But civic nationalism and liberty is religion to Americans, and no amount of shitposting on anonymous image boards is going to inspire us to trade freedom for tyranny. This dream is delusional, NatSoc is never coming back. Maybe it's a good thing its proponents are too braindead to rebrand it.
