"ITALY NO!" edition.
What the referendum actually means (ita):
>Marco Travaglio - Perchè No Tutte le bugie del Referendum -
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tl;dw
>Perché NO Tutte le bugie del Referendum (di Marco Travaglio) - Estratto a Di Martedì 21 giu 2016
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Previous:
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Mama mia that's a spicy meatball!
>Italian Sup Forums Discord - Sup Forumsiticamente Scorretti
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>PDF sulla nuova legge elettorale (in Italiano)
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>Sito Ufficiale sul referendum (in Italiano):
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>Information on upcoming referendum (in English):
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>Sito ufficiale del comitato per il No (in italiano)
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>Sito ufficiale del comitato per il sì (in italiano)
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>JP Morgan: sbarazzatevi delle costituzioni anti-fasciste
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>JP Morgan: Enough with anti-fascist costitutions
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>Maria Paola Toschi, strategista del mercato globale al JP Morgan Asset Managment dice a CNBC: "Il referendum Italiano di questo Dicembre potrebbe creare volatilità attraverso i mercati mentre l'anno si avvicina alla sua fine"
>Maria Paola Toschi, global market strategist at JP Morgan Asset Management told CNBC: "The upcoming Italian referendum this December may create volatility across markets as the year draws to a close."
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Translation of the summary (first 3 minutes) is the following (1/2):
Let's see how the new Senate works, folks, because the fastest Matteo has taken an easy process, take two system and multiply them by 5: 10 systems. The snakes and ladders game, stuff for psychiatric departments naturally, will increase out of proportion the contentious between Chamber of Deputies (CoD) and Senate (S), Parliament and Regions, with infinite conflicts of power that will all end in front of the Constitutional Court. It's the "Office for Complications of Simple Affairs". Please, follow me in these 10 stages of the snakes and ladders game.
1. For Constitutional Laws, the system remains the same
- Perfect bicameralism between CoD and S
2. For Ordinary Laws, absolute chaos:
- Approval is up to the CoD and S can always give its 2¢
- Montecitorio Palace (CoD) approves, sends the law to Madama Palace (S) where within 10 days 1/3 of senators' votes are enough to review the text
3. In case of review by S, there're 2 options:
- S can leave everything as it was decided by CoD or amend the law within 30 days
4-5. If they amend within 30 days, the law goes back to CoD who have last word and there, there're 2 options:
- Receive and approve the amendments by S
- Ignore the amendments by S and restore the original text approved by CoD with the Simple Majority (half +1)
6. Completely different procedure for laws about Territorial Autonomy's Matters:
- If the government decides to activate them, there's the Clause of Supremacy (don't ask me what it is because it's too complicated )
- S has again 10 days to review or ignore them, then 30 more days to approve eventual changes
- If S doesn't touch anything, it passes as CoD decided.
7-8-9. If S changes anything, the text goes back to the CoD:
- CoD can discard the amends done by S, but in this case the Simple Majority won't be enough, that would be too simple, they need Absolute Majority vote (half +1 of the elected)
- In case S's amends were done with Simple Majority, CoD can also overcome it with Simple Majority vote, maybe, this is not very clear because they're still arguing about it.
- Without majority in the CoD, the law passes as S amended it.
10. The Financial Law follows yet another different process:
- CoD approves it then sends it to S
- S automatically votes it but have only 15 days to amend it
- If S amends with Simple Majority, CoD can re-amend the amendments with Simple Majority
- If S amends with "Complicated" Majority and CoD doesn't reach a "Complicated" Majority, nobody knows how the fuck we're going to figure it out. Then, if there're conflicts or appeals, presidents of both chambers meet to find a resolution, but, the presidents are 2 people: if one has an idea and the other has another idea, who wins? the most beautiful one? or do we go in front of the constitutional courts? about these "silly issues" the reform doesn't care, thus leaves everything suspended.
This way We have gone from Perfect Bicameralism to Bullshit Bicameralism/Crazy Bicameralism (2/2).
Your flags fading a bit Italy stop tanning on the beach youre already dark.
Se avete la foto con la copertina di giornale del cuck e della whore che a Bologna si sono presi il negro in casa postatela. Credevo di averla salvata.
tl;dr for everything else:
>Reduce senate members from 315 to 100
This makes corruption easier. It's more easy to bribe 51 senators than 158 and much cheaper. The original law writers decided it would be 315 in order to make corruption harder and prevent the creation of a echo-chamber.
>Increase of signatures from 50'000 to 150'000 required for Citizens' Initiative law proposal.
This blatantly reduces the power of taxpayers, it's already hard enough as it is now to find 50'000 signatures, figures 150'000.
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To non Italian speakers: disgrunted journalist shows evidence of globalist agenda
- Napolitano (old dude in vid, former pres of Republic - highest authority in the country and creator of the very same referendum we're talking about) saying on TV that the objectives pushed by Renzi are lies covering a different agenda.
- journalist describes how his colleagues "went crazy and couldn't handle it"
- journalist shows and reads excerpts from 48 pages 2014 italian senate document describing globalist objectives, calling free voting system "limited", advocating against it and making the example of the world's "greatest democracies" as the one to follow (Guess who!)
Thanks for these threads friend. Genuinely had no idea what was happening over in Italy. Here's hoping it all goes well for you lads
What are you voting about?
How spicy our meatballs should be
Vote NO or your inner bolognese soul will take over your body
constitutional referendum about our bicameral system
If we are cucks or not, just a simple yes or no.
The actual question is
> Would you let another man pleasure your wife?
NO masterrace here.
You're welcome. I hope so too, other wise it can only get worse.
if i vote no but yes still in am i a cuck?
I hope the results makes lefties butthurt, I don't care about much else.
thanks!
Kek
ItaLEAVE!!!
We don't judge anyone by their fetishes here, as long as you vote NO
well, it's not about left or right, it's about wanting to get fucked or not
but aren't the lefties the euro-sceptic ones in Italy?
Yes because you didn't convince enough people
Most of the lefties will vote NO, my fella Swedish
I don't know but probably not.
Thanks for the yellow circle, I would have never noticed the picture taking up most of the page
Which side is Valentina Nappi voting for?
our leftists are usually not liberal
Why are you voting no, faggots?
Posting italian food :^)
It depends, the Bologna kind of leftists are the real cucks, most old-school commies are euro-sceptic though
because i don't want to live in a EU controlled leftist dicatorship
Only the far left, the kind that manages to get 4% of the votes at best
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Does liberal mean they don't like the EU?
That is not Italian. Go back to your shithole.
left in italy is divided in 3 or 4 faction , the liberal one that is in power would be mad about a "no" win
Its more the globalists that end up butthurted if NO win
Nope the far right ones (Fratelli d'Italia e Lega Nord) are and M5S. Everyone else an EU cuck
We're tired of your diaspora over here
:^) real italian
> tfw you manage to steal something from the table and hide your hand right in time for the photo like a ninja
haven't you been here long enough to know that liberals are the scum of the earth that are trying to ruin our carefully built european world?
TL;DR
Less bloated senate is a good thing, doesn't Italy have one of the largest senates in the EU? Here it's the rightwing who wants to minimize or even remove the senate. Voting NO just to get elections is dumb.
sucks to be you lad, we have mozzarella sticks
nice bait
renzi stop posting from the EU parliament
Then I hope for a no.
I know that but I was not sure if liberal was the American type or actual liberals.
:^) luigi pass some garlic bread
It would make more sense to abolish the whole senate, if you wanted to save money you would cut down the parliament (more than 600 members)
That's just a minor matter though, this reform was written by globalist shills
both types here in Europe (and in Italy) usually are pro-EU. The U.S. liberal (EU Socialists) are pro-EU. The Europe liberals (center-right) are pro-EU also.
Here in Italy if you want someone against EU on the left you need to go as far as the communist party but they are beyond irrelevance (0.1% of votes).
Hahahah. What's your plan?
I think you should cut the size of the government down to 1.
guarda come sputacchia il vecchietto
MEAT SAUCE IS THE PLAN
So, what's this referendum supposed to change? Is it good or bad? Will it keep shitskins out?
where is M5S on the political spectrum?
That is true.
How bad will this no vote be for the EU? What will actually happen?
Posting Italian Marvels, pic related is the Spectre M4 Submachine gun with it's standard 50 round casket mag.
For all those who still want to vote YES to this absolute cuck scam of a referendum, i've got something nice for you
>it.ibtimes.com
>ansa.it
For the non italian speakers: if YES wins "ius soli law" (anchor babies for amerifats) will be unlocked. It's a law pushed by our left that if passed (and it will with the new Senate) will give automatically citizenship to ONE FUCKING MILLION of immigrants. And we're just talking about the ones that are currently in Italy. Without taking the future "refugees" that will flood us next year
shit that's terrible, best of luck to you Luigi
Was getting eaten part of you plan?
Franchi SPAS-12 Semi/Pump scattergat. 8+1 capacity, shame it had such a short production run.
The NO must win in order to weaken the EU, then we can think about how to stop the boats forever
THE SHRIMP SCAMPI RISES
She loves niggers and pretends to be "progressive", so she will vote YES.
Fun fact: italian "VIPS" are shilling for YES like hollywood actors and music industry stars did with Clinton.
Really activate my almonds.
Beretta M12 SMG. These were actually used by French Police during the Bataclan attack, fitted with suppressors.
>where is M5S on the political spectrum?
Everywhere.
Still voting for them because the biggest problem we've got in Italy is corruption, tax evasion and a parasitic class of incompetent politicians, they want to do something about it
if YES wins they'll most likely make the "ius soli" law, which will give italian citizenship to all the little niglets born in italy
nuovo inno di Bologna?
>youtu.be
>KEKI KEKI KEKI
>HEY
appena torno in città vi faccio da inviato comunque. auguratemi buona fortuna lads
these are used by our police forces too
Did the Pope say anything about the referendum?
Cheers senpai, coming from a gun toting burger it means much
KEK
cuck and hes black senegal refugee bull
Because we don't want your niggresses to come here to give birth to niglets that will get citizenship as soon as the new Chamber of Deputies ruled by lefties will approve anchor babies law.
A glorious .22 LR Beretta Bobcat. Despite only being .22 LR, it's an excellent carry gun due to it's size. Remember folks, shot placement over everything.
i agree with them on some points, but i simply cannot take them seriously
Because we don't want to give you citizenship. Just nice, square cinder block shoes, psht notin personnel kid
What's up with the meat?
Voted no last week.
God's work senpai
i hope not
he should be focusing on paying us taxes and feeding the homeless
no state affair should be influenced by the church, no matter as christian as we might be
It's been labeled as populist, since it doesn't belong to the left nor the right.
Vote NO let's get rid of the snowniggers
They're anti-enstablishment but not really that good at what they do
>centralizing even more an already centralized country
This might work in Belgium, but not in real countries with real regions.
godspeed, lad
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CRASHING THIS EU
Burger here with Italian citizenship through my Father.
I recently got the voting abroad thing in the mail. I haven't looked at it yet, but whats what over there? Wanna do my part in whatever I'm voting for
Those niggers selling shit were all over the place when I was in Rome. Kept trying to sell me wooden bowls and blankets and shit.
this
WITH NO SURVIVORS
do you want the establishment to crash?
then vote NO
Read Be careful lad, they have mentioned the serious possibility of postal votes frauds
This reform is shit, it's going to change half of the costitution and fuck up our current electoral system, it will also bind us to the EU forever, so NO is the choice that is going to save us
That Tomcat is sweet but you need to put it straight to the other guys head to do any damage and even then you have to empty it.