How does one have a good traditional relationship these days?

How does one have a good traditional relationship these days?

What should the man do to be a good boyfriend? How should he encourage the girl to be a good traditional girlfriend?

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If you're not a good traditional man, don't expect a good traditional woman. If you're not a virgin, don't expect a virgin and if you can't have a relationship with a virgin don't expect your relationship to be all that secure because your chances are much much lower.

>traditional woman
>posts attention whore with makeup anv surgery who probably has some social network account where she whores herself for shekels

You don't.

I finally had this epiphany the other day on a date with one of these instagram models. Every photo on her Insta is of her. Absolutely nothing to talk about when we met up. Vapid and meaningless.

Started unfollowing all my insta-selfie-whores immediately after. They don't deserve my attention anymore

>> Good boyfriend

Be in charge. Prioritize what you need to do to be successful. Be able to handle her being pissed off when you make responsible decisions.

What is a traditional relationship to you desu? To me a good "traditional" relationship is finding a loyal christian woman

check out your consent laws, get the youngest girl you can get, gf her, and mold her into whatever you want her to be

teenage years are critical, forget about your average college party slut ever being a traditional partner

When I'm on a date and she can't tell me a single hobby or passion she has, she's a sex object. I've noticed tons of women just latch onto whatever their partners do. In a lot of cases it seems to me like they're looking for us to create them.

That sounds like way too much work. I have no interest in spending that much time with a dumb high school girl.

It is much more difficult nowadays because society has been corrupted. You need to reverse the social power dynamic between men and women within your personal life. Western governments have given women too much freedom and it has degraded society and will inevitably lead more conflict between men as they will have to compete physically for the good women. In order to get a good relationship as a man you need to first find a non corrupted woman, which is a hard enough job in the first place. You then have to have a reason to interact with her so as to not come across too forceful. This is also extremely difficult as it is not always practical to let relationships between people come about naturally, we are all constrained by time and other commitments. However the relationship must develop naturally otherwise you will not be able to establish yourself as the superior, which is the final step. You need to get her physically invested in you to the point where she sees you as her superioror so as to give her an incentive to not run away. Because of the way society is now, it is extremely easy for young attractive women to ditch you for someone else who can offer the same things you can. If the woman is not invested in you, she will not see you as offering anything particularly unique as every man can provide her with a cock to fuck. You can't simply hit on a woman and expect long term results anymore. If you do, she will see you as beneath her as it is you doing the chasing and she is most likely used to having men go after her. You will just be seen as another lower pawn. You must elevate your own status in her eyes if you are to be successful. Good luck.

what the fuck is a "good traditional relationship"?
It used to be called "marriage" you degenerate fuck. In any case, I dont know what you mean by "good traditional".

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Don't drink, smoke, do drugs, or play too many video games. Exercise and forge a respectable career of any kind.

I had a dream that I kissed a girl on the lips for the first time. The embrace was so sweet and authentic and I could really feel the emotion of love between us.

Then I woke up. I try to replicate that feeling but I can't seem to.

Lmao

I'd say OP means one where the man isn't expected to be a supplicating bitch, which is more about OP being willing to set boundaries for himself and be a leader. Most of this "we're losing traditional relationships" meme is guys looking for someone to fix their life for them.

They're only dumb if they're bred into a culture that encourages and reinforces being dumb. Biology is only a part of the puzzle.

just end it lad

I would add also, don't be a racist or knuckle dragging white nationalist that voted for the Orange Cheeto™.

No, they're dumb because they're still in high school. My family is pretty traditional, catholic, married parents, ect, but when I was in high school I was still a dumbass. Ultimately what finding a traditional relationship requires is for the female to value the male more than the male values the female.

>still a virgin and trying to salvage what I can from the mess my parents made me
>don't give a shit about casual sex and all that degeneracy and just want to find a woman to settle down with that hasn't rode the cock carousel
>know that my chances of finding a white virginal maiden in this day and age is basically nil

Wisdom. Improve yourself, good things will come to you.

Fuck off. All the women worth a damn voted Trump too.

This is all useful, thanks lads.
I fulfil a lot of this so it looks like I'm just about on the right track already.

what about when you find a conservative girl and you're not sure after a few weeks of banging her whether you're actually that attracted to her or not

>sex before marriage

>not trying before you buy

>No, they're dumb because they're still in high school

You didn't really disprove me. What kind of a culture does high school encourage? A dumb one. And what happens a person is bred into a dumb culture like high school? They become dumb.

Honestly, what I think a lot of the problem is is that there seems to very seldom be quality one on one individual connecting for learning. Everybody is so disassociated and disconnected educationally because the schooling system is a literal system. Learning is not encouraged so much as a mere mote memorization to get an A on that next exam, which btw will be averaged to benchmark the school, So be sure to do good on it kids!

Everybody sits in a class and hears a guy talk and for most people that's the end of it. Most people don't take that individual initiative to learn further on their own, and I feel that this culture extends down to various other aspects of peoples lives and everybody just goes through the motions without ever really truly understanding what they're doing. I feel this extends into relationships too.

The uneducated white trash women all voted for The Orange Cheeto™. Good luck marrying a stupid girl that gives you an ego boost, but in the end no challenge or real satisfaction as an equal life partner. Marrying a stupid girl makes you the shallow but muh ego needs stroking manchild.

I was where you were. If you don't find some self-confidence, you're going to end up with any girl that will date you, and that will probably be some psycho BPD-riddled whore. Don't focus on a relationship. Exercise, be social, and cultivate your interests/passions, doing that is going to make you an interesting person, and make you more attractive to the opposite sex.

And don't worry about penis size, most women could care fucking less about obsession over dick size.

>traditional
When will this cuck meme die. Woman dominant relationship is the only true redpill

>How does one have a good traditional relationship these days?

You'd be better off sticking to 2D, senpai.

No prob, bud. I actually used to be a 400 pound incel. Now I'm 230, still working towards my fitness goals while focusing on my productive hobbies (writing, reading, aquariums- I'd like to be a fish breeder), and minimizing my unproductive hobbies. Doing this and putting very little time into women has made me better with women.

Watch the molyneux video of "15 facts about single mothers debunked", he makes some points about relationships in general that it may interest you.

False false false, an equal shared relationship is the goal for true spiritual bonding.

I don't disagree with you on those points, but someone in high school is still going to be more ignorant about how the world functions. I don't have time to raise a kid to be my lover like the OP of this idea suggested. I'm focused on my goals and passions.

Create an imaginary person (a tulpa)

Or literally enslave a girl

You sound like a racist classist

Thanks

it's weird being KV beyond a certain point. the further I've gone into my 20s the less motivated I am to fix this problem

I've got my finances together and am not fat or deformed etc... but really that shit doesn't mean anything to girls. They're simply drowning in unlimited choices. especially younger white women unfortunately

>white hair
>freckles

nice desu ne

That's never been anything I've ever been concerned about. As Trump said, "I assure you there's no problem there."

Not really, user. I look at the voter data. Trump won the uneducated white women, but that's no real surprise when he said "I love the poorly educated".

Pic related, it's a Trump victory event in Alabama.

He won white women, period. He got 53%.

>try taking a nap during lunchbreak because who knows maybe a siesta will be good for me
>I'm in a beautiful field at the start of a sunset with my head resting in the lap of some girl in a summer dress with a hat and golden hair
>she looks down at me
>I'm in some old concrete building in the middle of a dead forest, the wind is howling as it blizzards outside - I am alone
>wake up
>mfw
Fuck siestas

I don't think equal is possible. Women don't have sympathy for men the way we're supposed to have it for women. Men are utilitarian and disposable. That's why you see BPD whores ride one dude into the ground and swing to the next one with no concern for those they victimize. BPD is standard female traits turned to fucking 11.

Bad advice. Women like real man not little cuck boys

Yeah he's a fag that says any women that voted Trump is an uneducated poor white woman, yet he wants to preach to Trumpanons about m'racism.

Look harder, women's mate selection is much more complex and nuanced than a man's mate selection.

>make sure you encourage her to experiment sexually with others
>keep her house clean and provide her with nutritious meals
>stay out of her way
>wash her undies by hand because they are delicate
>don't complain when her moans from her bedroom keep you awake at night
>be as pretty and pleasant at all times as possible
>remember the best type of man is seen and not heard

I don't think OP is looking to be a literal cuck.

Fucked a random girl at a wedding I went to last weekend. Have never met her did not know anything about her before that day. Last night she go engaged to marry her boyfriend of 4 years. I laughed for like a hour

Maybe join a very religious community.

I honestly believe it is a bygone thing unless you get lucky but at our ages finding a good woman with no sexual history is impossible.

Say all you want about 'it's just sex' but I personally don't want used goods and have never created them either - I'll gladly die a virgin and it looks like I'm headed there. I like sex, or at least fapping, but I don't like used women.

Maybe MAYBE if she had a committed partner who died or cheated on her but how could I really tell otherwise?

I'm not religious either - culturally Christian in some ways being a potato nigger from a cuckolic lineage.

There's nothing worth casual sex lads, it's short term pleasure and then eternal dirt on you and on women.

Join a church if you really want a good woman but even then... She's probably already been fucked.

Being a fag, is not necessarily a bad thing user. I love smart women I have little patience for stupidity.

>The Orange Cheeto
Cheetos are already orange, dumbass.
When you level stupid insults about Trump's appearance, you add the prefix "orange" or "cheeto" to another insult like "hitler" or "racist".
Combining two descriptive prefixes just makes you look stupid.
If you're going to shill, do it right ffs.

How often has being a white knight got you laid? Also, cheetos were already orange, fag

Eesti's got the right idea.

The best way to explain it is with economics. The demand for pussy is inelastic, meaning women have more leverage in obtaining sex, making the average man a price taker rather than a price maker.

Where that changes is relationships. Men can be the price makers when it comes to relationships, but only if they realize that they are in that position. Females want the safety and security we provide, we just have to be willing to set a fair price for our services. We've gotten to the position we're in now by setting too low of a market value for a man's participation in a relationship, meaning women don't have to give as much or try as hard.

>Trump victory event
>Timestamp in top right is October 2001
Are you even trying?

Boyfriend voted Hillary.

>What should the man do to be a good boyfriend?
Not watch porn or anime. Have money and be honourable.
> How should he encourage the girl to be a good traditional girlfriend?
You don't, that's her father's duty.

Plus, girlfriends are not traditional by default

He's low T

hey weeb, maybe you can help me...

what is the difference between "desu ne" (which i assumed to be, "right, isn't it?") and "desu WA" (which i have no fucking clue what it means)

I don't see a problem with anime, just don't be a weeb faggot.

Monogamy is dead, traditionalism is dead in women too.

here: dailystar.co.uk/love-sex/503087/What-do-women-want-in-bed-man-cheat-top-sexual-fantasy-sex-ex-survey

women's biggest fantasy is cheating.

oh, and then the difference between the aforementioned and "desu wa yo" and then simply "wa yo". what does it all mean?

It's childish.

A adult that watch childish cartoons is not a good man

I wonder how close American women are to that.

Seriously what is your problem with non-virgin chicks? I've had both a virgin and an experienced woman and the sex with the experienced woman was god-like, thanks to you know, her experience. While the virgin was the most boring shit, felt like humping a piece of meat.


It's nice and all creating these theories but humans wouldn't have come this far in evolution if women we're worthless after one man. Instead, sex is natural and nice and part of natural human behavior. Virgins don't feel better than experienced women. What matters more is the woman personality.

If you marry a spoiler whore it's pretty obvious that you'll end with a cheating slut.

All men know that

Not necessarily. It definitely can be, but not inherently. It depends on what you watch. Are you saying OP shouldn't watch LotR either?

Pretty fucking close I am sure. The only women that seem not to slut around are those with severe mental issues or deformities. I would say obese but those go to niggers ALL the time.

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roll

Cool. May you send your girlfriend into prostitution then, she'll come back with all the "experience" you desire.

It's disgusting.
Non-virgins should be used as cum holes, but no more.

You do not marry someone because the sex feels great. That's nigger behaviour

Cuck. I personally cant kiss a girl, if shes taken countless cocks in her mouth.

Its not about building a good relationship, but building your own foundation and finding a mate with a similar foundation. A good and healthy relationship will come naturally if you both have good foundations.

Dont spend all your time seeking the perfect woman, spend it becoming the perfect man and your woman will find you. Just ask youself this. Would your ideal woman ever be attracted to your current you?

Exactly. In the last year I've had an 18 year old virgin and a 45 year old milf. The milf was a better lay and infinitely more interesting to talk to. It wasn't even a contest.

>Are you saying OP shouldn't watch LotR either?
Yes. The books are better

I liken sluts and whores to those that use other people's toothbrushes. It's disgusting.

>personality matters more
>virgins aren't good at sex, so avoid them
I'd argue that virgin women have superior personalities and traits from the perspective of a traditionalist man. As your wife, she can learn to please you sexually over time so long as you are communicative about what you like.

Bongtard McNEET? Keep fucking sheep :^)

Nah, mental issues make them bigger sluts. It's girls that have parents that are married and have a good relationship with their father. They're far better conditioned for pairbonding.

Voting Trump is a good quality in a woman.

>Just ask youself this. Would your ideal woman ever be attracted to your current you?

I say no to this all the time, yet my current g/f of 2 years is still dating me, and we are pretty much inseperable. My job and lifestyle is trash, but somehow underneath it, she finds me attractive and entertaining, even tho I'm a 300pound neckbeard-manchild. I think its more about finding your best friend rather than finding the perfect match or ideal woman..

Thanks, I'm in a traditional marriage and am have satisfied.

Why are you being so insecure? Those other men are human too. It's autistic to make these theories that have no basis in reality, and demonize other people. And then wonder why nobody wants to hang out with you.


The faster you realize not all other men are out to get you but are guys just like you, the faster you become more humane. And being humane is the least cuck feature. And why wouldn't you share a woman with your friend?

lul epic

Watch "The Boy and the Beast" or "Gurren Lagann" and tell me that those don't contain messages great for young men/men in the process of discovering themselves.

When it comes to women, its not about merit, its about trying. No girl gives a fuck what you do in life, as long as you give it a try with a girl that you like. If it doesn't work out with her, pass on to the next one.

Nah, virgins tend to be far more traditional in love.

Virgin women don't have only one personality. The personality depends on the genes and upbringing of a woman. Virginity won't save a woman who is boring and unintelligent otherwise.

You're forgetting that most "men" today regularly watch shit like and Star Wars and superhero movies

The man should provide for and love her.

The woman should acknowledge him as the leader of the relationship (submissive) and want to be a wife/mother.

Even better, why not have her take her men while she's with you! That way, you'll be even less of a cuck.

BTFO.