I need sources on why gun control doesn't work for a debate. please help me Sup Forums

i need sources on why gun control doesn't work for a debate. please help me Sup Forums

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what's the goal?

lower crime?
lower gun fatalities?

Just take crime statistics in Chicago, Detroit, etc. and crime statistics in gun free zones vs secured places like courts.

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Always find a grandma meme: everyday at least one grandma defends herself from home invasion, the right's been using that argument for ever by it works

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2 quick things about Australian gun laws. One- it's not hard to get a gun in Australia, it's just that unless you're a professional shooter (pest control) you're limited to bolt-action rifles, break action shotguns or handguns.
Two- the uptick in gun violence in Australia over the last decade is entirely due to Middle Eastern immigration.
Combine the two and mass shootings of random people disappeared while murder in ethnic ghettos went up.

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The crime stats might have been useful in the past, but Chicago doesn't even have strict gun control these days. They have some pain in the ass requirements for carry, but its not insurmountable, its shall issue, and nobody has been charged for carrying in a no-carry zone.

The crime stats are...uncomfortable as well. Last year's murder rate in Chicago was 15.65. The murder rate for white/other (non black, non hispanic) is 5.86.

The left's gonna come at you with tearful anecdotes, ya need at least one heart warming story about grandma painting the wall with dirtbag brains

The Bill of Rights.

Firstly, guns have no effect on crime - positive or negative. More guns do not mean more crime OR less crime. This makes sense, because crime occurs when people are motivated to commit it, and guns are inanimate objects that neither sit on people's shoulders telling them to rob liquor stores nor patrol streets offering uplifting sermons to the unwashed masses. But this is not the end of the argument.

1. accidental gun deaths and suicide
Never imply that this is irrelevant or "only a few people die" because then you look like and also actually are an asshole. Instead refer to the London coal gas experience from the 1960s. Ovens in London used to be fired by the highly lethal coal gas, and people killed themselves by sticking their head in the oven and breathing deep. Eventually the City of London switched to the less lethal natural gas. What happened to suicide rates? They fell by a third and have stayed about that level ever since. Suicide is an impulsive decision and access prevention can stop it from happening. This ties into accidental gun deaths. You must be prepared to either say that these deaths are "worth it" (use deaths caused by car accidents as the counter-point: "people die on roads but we still have them, can't protect everyone from everything, nanny state, it's tragic but...") or be prepared to make some concessions on the issue. The good thing is that suicide is equally possible with every gun so the only thing this point means is that they can restrict how people access guns, not which guns they access.

2. mass shootings
Don't say that this is irrelevant. Obviously it is but people still care about it so it's not irrelevant at all. If you say "armed students/teachers would stop shootings" you look like a crazy person, by the way. Just deflect from guns to mental health and say that in the 1930s a 14 year old could mail order a Vickers machinegun and they didn't have any school shootings then, so clearly it's a societal issue not an armaments one.

get informed about the swiss gun law. more open than american abd tiny gun crime

The solution to both of these is to make sure liberals aren't allowed to have guns. Gun homicide rate would drop 90%.

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Inevitably, this approach means focusing on the most common method of suicide in the United States: firearms. Even though guns account for less than 1 percent of all American suicide attempts, their extreme fatality rate — anywhere from 85 percent and 92 percent, depending on how the statistics are compiled — means that they account for 54 percent of all completions. In 2005, the last year for which statistics are available, that translated into about 17,000 deaths. Public-health officials like Hemenway can point to a mountain of research going back 40 years that shows that the incidence of firearm suicide runs in close parallel with the prevalence of firearms in a community. In a 2007 study that grouped the 15 states with the highest rate of gun ownership alongside the six states with the lowest (each group had a population of about 40 million), Hemenway and his associates found that when it came to all nonfirearm methods, the two populations committed suicide in nearly equal numbers. The more than three-times-greater prevalence of firearms in the “high gun” states, however, translated into a more than three-times-greater incidence of firearm suicides, which in turn translated into an annual suicide rate nearly double that of the “low gun” states. In the same vein, their 2004 study of seven Northeastern states found that the 3.5 times greater rate of gun suicides in Vermont than in New Jersey exactly matched the difference in gun ownership between the two states (42 percent of all households in Vermont opposed to 12 percent in New Jersey). From these and other such studies, the Injury Control Research Center has extrapolated that a 10 percent reduction in firearm ownership in the United States would translate into a 2.5 percent reduction in the overall suicide rate, or about 800 fewer deaths a year.

nytimes.com/2008/07/06/magazine/06suicide-t.html?_r=2&pagewanted=2

Spot on, also, compile or find a list of mass killings all over the world that involve knives or cars.

These posts are pretty informative and can help you avoid some basic errors:

slatestarcodex.com/2016/01/06/guns-and-states/

slatestarcodex.com/2016/01/10/guns-and-states-2-son-of-a-gun/

slatestarcodex.com/2016/04/02/beware-regional-scatterplots/

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