User, why aren't you a globalist...

>user, why aren't you a globalist? Don't you know that integrating markets has produced the most peace and prosperity to ever exist?

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I've seen enough Star Trek and read enough science fiction to know that globalism is an inevitability to deal with the alien menace.

It's too stressful.

Besides, learn to enjoy the differences in locale with your vast wealth.

Just go traveling on a jet plane.

Build a space city.

I don't know what kind of person she is but people that look like this disgust me

If an alien menace comes, we will unite faster than imaginable

You base your stance on Star Trek.

Which series?

I remember when my sister said to me "I believe in Globalism because it means I can buy more shoes."

Never laughed so hard in my life.

I'm interested. What about Star Trek, specifically, is what guide's your opinion on this? A particular episode or season? Which incarnation?

How is that not a valid argument though? More efficient economy = cheaper goods and services for everyone. How would you like it if you walked into the store and everything was 45% more expensive?

The only one worth watching

that dog is sick!

Who makes these cheaper goods? Who provides these cheaper sevices?

peace but for what price? do we really want to trade our conciousness for "peace"?

>globalism
>more shoes yay!
>but muh projects!
WTF I'M A REPUBLICAN NOW!

The TOS pilot. Great. Now what about that or the original series helped shape your opinion?

>global recession
>global war on terror

no thanks

and those shoes are cheap because they're barely paying nips to make them

so what do you want to do, race to the bottom so everybody's poor, but we can all barely afford shitty shoes?

When something goes bad than the whole fucking globe is in the shitter. No thanks

They're cheaper because a larger labor pool = more people can specialize in something. So instead of having a shoe maker in every country, you have a bunch of shoemakers pooling their resources together to make shoes for cheaper.

Nice meme. Wages go up when foreign companies invest in your economy. Wages have risen so high in China that manufacturing is starting to leave China.

I'm trying not to scoff at this. Larger labor pool of "Specialized shoemakers"? Yes, all those 3rd worlders that slave at a factory line are skilled cobblers I'm sure.

Yes as those in China who have become billionaires buy out American companies.

Because I can think for myself...

globalism and international trade isn't bad, but white genocide through forced immigration is bad and destruction of civilization through economic servitude is bad. our current model of globalism is not worth it.

Tell me, whose jobs should I be concerned with?

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>slave labor
There's that meme again. All the evidence points to foreign investment IMPROVING the standards of living for everybody in third world countries. Sure, it's not ideal to have people working for a few dollars a day, but without foreign investment, they wouldn't be working at all or would be working for even less.

>wahhh other people are successful too >:(

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>genocide

Yes, then those companies leave. If i remember correctly businesses are leaving Vietnam and other east asian countries for places they can pay lesser wages. Its a racket, not a humanitarian effort.

Am I supposed to care about what some British Nazi said 70 years ago?

>should I care about somebody being absolutely right?
I don't know, you tell me.

But there won't always be impoverished countries. Eventually, under globalism wages will have risen in ALL countries to the point where the location things are manufactured in is determined by factors like distance to the customer and the inputs.

who's the qt poo?

I can see how this MIGHT have applied to the British empire and that era but he is essentially preaching one world socialist government. In this case, Britain at its head. Again, why should I identify with this?

Please provide original arguments rather than saying "he's absolutely right".

In both Macross and star trek, a huge east-west war predated global government with Russia and China being nationalist allies in both series.

While Macross earth united rather quickly after the WW3. In star trek, there was nearly 200 years of a dark age. With some of the worst times shown in star trek NG: S1E1 (Q trial) and star trek first contact.


Look at the world today. Russia and China will never give up their sovereignty without an all out war. Fantasy meets reality. Do you want that?

Liberty has a direct correlation to the size of the democracy. I'll rather have 1/24,000,000th of a say about the people who are close to me than 1/7,400,000,000 of say about people who I share little commonalities with. The tyranny of the majority is a real thing.
Globalism will only benefit our Oligarchical overlords, who will control all regulations in favour of TBTF businesses.
Globalism will result in a corporate dictatorship. Don't want to work for $1 a day? Ling Ling will. Want to have an uprising? Send in Boris. Don't want nuclear waste dumped in your backyard? Too bad, the Global bureaucracy determined it to be an ideal spot.
...never put your eggs in the same basket. Use lots of baskets with few eggs.

>peace and prosperity
Ayyy lmao, WW3 on the verge and migrant niggers running around everywhere. I didn't know that was considered peace and prosperity.

>But there won't always be impoverished countries.

Your idealism is commendable but foolish.

>Eventually, under globalism wages will have risen in ALL countries to the point where the location things are manufactured in is determined by factors like distance to the customer and the inputs.

Really? How is this possible without complete automation? How can wages across the globe increase and yet we still have people to work in the factories that produce these goods? Without going fully auto. If that's what you want I could see it but the tech, as far as I know, is not there yet. Do you have any data or models to back this claim up?

>the inputs.

What in god's name does that mean?

The end game of the globalist is a global socialist governme controlled by the elites. Does Socialism actually work? Where has it outperformed free countries? The economic freedom index correlates positively GdP per capita

They always leave out the fact that Trek was a post-scarcity economy. They had protein resequencing for food. They had replicators later for machine parts. They developed their technology to the point where this could happen.

the problem with globalist markets is countries try to steal each other's jobs.

Noted...

>peace and prosperity
Where? The Middle East is a disaster area, most of Africa is a slum, and Europe is falling apart at the seams.

Yeah but bro...don't Socialists hate oligarchs?

>debating economics
>doesn't know what inputs are
Like really nigga? The name itself should be self explanatory. It's just the goods/resources that go into making something. If you're making blankets, you have to buy raw cotton, so cotton would be an input.

And I don't get your point about automation, expand on it.

We're you literally born yesterday?

A false peace and prolonged stagnation rapidly advancing towards decay

You mean raw materials. Great. I'd like you to explain how the manufacturing with be closer to those materials. One for instance, when i go to the grocer, why am I buying Norwegian or Finnish fish rather than something off the coast of New England? Why can't the United Kingdom fish its own shores? If America has cotton fields, why are the blankets made in China? This is the current globalist system.

Because wages are not equal yet. I said EVENTUALLY for a reason. And wages are unequal largely because or anti globalist policies in place, like currency manipulation and such.

>Yes, then those companies leave. If i remember correctly businesses are leaving Vietnam and other east asian countries for places they can pay lesser wages

>it's better to be absolutely dirt poor for 25 years than it is to have a 5 year period of relative prosperity and 20 years of being dirt poor

Globalism kills culture.

Star Trek was made as globalist propaganda you shit for brains retard

>Because wages are not equal yet.
They NEVER will be. This is a pipe dream.

>And wages are unequal largely because or anti globalist policies in place, like currency manipulation and such.

Cite specifics.

the problem with nationalist markets is cities try to steal each other's jobs.

I did cite specifics, things like currency manipulation, subsidies, tariffs, etc etc all create the disparities in wages.

HOW?

Most developing nations are now dealing with a never seen before level of slavery. Its entrenched now. All so university educated drones can be slacktivists on their iphone

Meh. Colonialism was better.

Tell it to the rainforest.

Well why dont you go work at the sweatshops then you fucking worthless cunt.
I'd punch your fucking head in.
Cunts like you HAVE GOT TO GO!
Day of Rope is coming for you and your family cunt.
You'll get your precious Globalism in the form of a worldwide Khmer Rouge

That was the atom bomb, not leftism.

That's the THREAT to globalism, which we currently live under.

Currency manipulation would seem to help and benefit globalists. How do subsidies and tariffs apply to global economies rather than national economies? What is "ect ect" and how is your response "citing specifics". You said words. Empty words.

Colonialism ended because it was unprofitable.

>he doesn't realize that beauty and art comes from struggle and suffering, and certain individuals overcoming that struggle
>he doesn't realize a utopian setting perceived by Globalism will just make it easier for international corporations and banks to control and dictate billions.
>he doesn't realize Globalism would fall apart the moment a couple of stock brocker sell off assets a bit too quickly
Go to Vietnam and ask one of the local factory child workers as to what they think of Globalism.

I work for $9 an hour at a mall, is that enough for you?

What does leftism have to do with globalism? Leftism promoted protectionism and other anti globalist policies.

Isn't this oligarchy? Those companies are protecting themselves, which is admirable in a sense, but they move from country to country like locusts. If they have lobbyists that can influence government policy, then they can continue to be locusts.

>What does leftism have to do with globalism? Leftism promoted protectionism and other anti globalist policies.
Oh dear, so you're one of those Ayn Rand/Friedman fellows?

Leftism is not regulation nor is it Collectivism, it's equality. Neo Liberalism assumes all men are equal intellectually, Globalism is the continuation of this belief system where it assumes all ethnic groups, cultures and individuals are equally capable in a global economic system.

Globalism is left wing in nature, all forms of Liberalism, including Classical Liberalism, is left wing.

>Leftism promoted protectionism and other anti globalist policies.
they stopped doing that 3 decades ago

>I work for $9 an hour at the mall for a multinational franchise.
>In my sparetime I defend globalism.

Cuck

>why aren't you a globalist? Don't you know that integrating markets has produced the most peace and prosperity to ever exist?

That's only because globalists start wars until they get what they want.

>leftism is about equality
>but globalism puts muh nebulous elites in charge of everything
Pick one ffs.

Integrating MARKETS, not PEOPLE

stay btfo globalist shill

You need to re-watch Macross In Riobotch the world banded together after WW3 due to the alien space crash, in Macross the world tried to organize under one united banner and it cause as they put it "brush fire wars" which were put down eventually.

some would say we have already been offered the Zero Point Energy to help that come true. however for whatever reason, our corporate masters and global presidents think our society would crumble if we knew about ayy lmaos.

Some would say that. It could very well be true. Now, assuming it is, take into account this post.

Do we only get ZPM after the world's populace is integrated and National, cultural, religious, and ethnic identity is destroyed? All those things some might see as the cause for all wars, I see as the beauty that defines the human race.

And that's the point and why it doesn't work.

Left: people are born equal
Right: people are born unequal

Liberalism sits on the Left.

[Citation needed]

I think its unrealistic that ALL countrys will intigrate in such a fashion in the next 100 years without some global event uniting people (ala Watchmen or some comet or global shortage of food or post-nuke society)

ive also heard that violence is going down in some developed countrys, so i think its hard to say. the thing is, if we can just get people NOT TO NUKE THE PLANET OR THE AYY LMAOS when aliens are revealed, and if people wont go dipshit and release biological weapons, yeah it'll be a hard 20-50 year transition for folks like us who are alive

but the children, they will be more open to the change the world wants and needs, they will accept and embrace the sky gods, one hopes.

I think you injected too many marijuanas.

I think a world government is inevitable the only problem is at this rate the men comtrolling it will essentially regard us as slaves.

George Borjas calls his establishing that the major effect of immigration is a wealth transfer from have-nots to haves the biggest thing in his career. He's a thoroughly mainstream Harvard economist and he totally destroys the reigning globalist orthodoxy.

Globalism and migration is what will cause that integration. All the ideas you citied are things that would cause death, not integration. Please explain how an integrated race is needed to great the sky gods? Btw the possibility of something like EM powered flight could be based on tech and ideas created by human beings.

>How is that not a valid argument though? More efficient economy = cheaper goods and services for everyone. How would you like it if you walked into the store and everything was 45% more expensive?

As you leave the store you enter your armored transport to make it back to the residential fortification as you must pass the muslim area established in 2030. There have been no IED attacks for a month but the driver still insists everyone put on Kevlar. Through the narrow gun port you can see the edge of muslim town and Hindu town demarcated by the crucified bodies of apostates and the low caste and despite the air filers the smell of human excrement is still noticeable.

Plumes of grey smoke rise up from fires in the nigerian quarter and there is a delay as the toll bribe is transferred to the bitcoin account of the commander of the group of 14 year ol somalis wielding RPGs that blocked the route.

Approaching the residential district the streets are lined with STD infected SE asian prostitutes and transsexuals who mob the transport until the driver activates the electroshock skin and they drop off allowing you to enter the fortified residential zone.

Everyone there is elderly as only the cheap labor classes are allowed to reproduce and compulsory abortion and euthanasia is centrally administrated. Corruption means that early 'selection' is possible for a poor performance review, a change in CEO may lower the euthanasia limit to 50 in cost saving exercise..forcing some of the older residents outside to scavenge on the edge of nigeriatown.

Globalism. Sounds great.

well, i guess capitalism has its merits and globalization can help, lots of people have access to the internet and super computers (cellphones) now being more connected

but theres also a lot of poor ppl starving and dying because their governments don't wanna provide basic healthcare so globalism isn't all roses

isn't compassion a basic human asset the aliens would admire?

>Globalism and migration is what will cause that integration

Two communities in Northern Ireland. Never integrated Kill each other every 50 years or so.
Balkans...same, Rwanda...same...uganda....same....USA..same...
Integration my arse.

Dear god!

I hadn't thought so far ahead. That's bleak man.

>isn't compassion a basic human asset the aliens would admire?

Maybe. But you can't be compassionate if you don't exist. Feeding you own children first is not morally reprehensible and neither should it be.

watch Elysium its about our future

peace and prosperity is over rated. Its so boring.

>Maybe. But you can't be compassionate if you don't exist

True.

Globalism only works if everyone is white

cheap goods make my life meaningful

This. Its nice in theory but those people who are FORCED into integration, will be resistant. >well, i guess capitalism has its merits and globalization can help, lots of people have access to the internet and super computers (cellphones) now being more connected

How does this help anyone get food, shelter, or help the children?

>but theres also a lot of poor ppl starving and dying because their governments don't wanna provide basic healthcare so globalism isn't all roses

What does this have to do with Healthcare? Do you understand the basic argument here?

>isn't compassion a basic human asset the aliens would admire?

What if they're assholes? You know you can speculate on aliens and global issues without being a total crank.

And making them will make someone else's I'm sure. God forbid I invent my own, then the person who pays those people to make those cheap goods can destroy me because they have enough power to own governments.

>cheap goods make my life meaningful

If you are one o the few lucky ones then having a family will blow your mind.

Breeding will be banned under future globalist structures.

i don't know why your being so pushy, i just think it would be nice if the aliens could help us stop wars and feed everyone.

I'm not being pushy I'm being on point. This was a discussion about globalism. What if aliens are already here and all they are doing is playing with our species like an ant farm? If they are a type 2 or 3 civilization, why would they even want to meet us let alone help us?

Please stop hijacking the thread.

>integrate all of Africa

...will still suck

say no to corporate overlords

Well they have so many damn resources and minerals. Why on earth would you want a stable
African nation?

Globalism is built upon the backs of Chinese slave labour under a fascist regime

The world competes with this slave labor

Even with integrated market governance and everything not trade related should not be centralized with a global government.

>People have been trading internationally for a while now.

I just got into it for the first time. How come nobody ever warned me about that future-superbabe Janice?