Flag Burning: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Stop getting triggered and flooding Sup Forums with a thread a minute about flag burning and just listen. The shills are using this as distraction because at it's core it's a small issue.

The argument centers around freedom of expression and how far an American should be allowed to go to show they hate their own country. Obviously you can't let them legally start shooting people. Obviously you shouldn't force support for EVERYTHING American. Stop making those strawmen.

Flag burning does cross the line into an act of war/treason/terrorism rather than just the first amendment, but in such a negligible way that we have a lot of wiggle room for allowing it. It's patriotic to hate the American government. It is not patriotic to burn the symbol that allows you to openly hate the government.

The problem with banning it is wether we can trust Trump not to go down this slippery slope. Objectively speaking, it should be illegal with a very minor punishment such as 2 warnings and a third strike revokes citizenship which can then be reapplied for in a year or something.

If we cannot trust Trump, then we should take the risk of dividing the country further and allowing the slippery slope of terrorism/treason/civil war to prosper.

So what it comes down to is:
1. Do we trust Trump to tone down those punishments and implement a fair law making flag burning slightly illegal as it should be?
Or
2. Do we want to allow Americans to do tiny acts of terrorism/war/treason in order to stop the government from taking the whole pie when it promises a crumb?

We, as a nation, cannot know with 100% certainty what harm will come from allowing the enemy to do very small attacks legally. We, as a nation, also cannot know with 100% certainty wether or not to trust Trump. Pander to the enemy or trust a (((dangerous))) authoritarian?

Personally I am torn because I see both paths allowing evil to thrive but if I had to choose, I would try to force Trump to implement my 3 strike rule for flag bannin

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Try burning a Quran in NYC see if your precious first amendment means anything to the libtards.

Burning a Confederate flag, people will cheer. Burn a Rainbow Flag, the fags will want your head.

HAVING SAID THAT

His punishments of deportation and citizenship revoking for a single offense are too harsh. If he refuses to compromise and wants harsh punishments for such a small offense, then we have a huge problem and we should likely just continue to put up with the useful idiots being treasonous (assuming he keeps his word on the second amendment and allows us to defend ourselves against violent domestic enemies of our nation).

Burning anything but the symbol of the nation that provides you with the right to express your views should be allowed as freedom of expression.

Legalize quran burning, legalize confederate flag burning, legalize nazi flag burning and legalize LBGT flag burning.

This shouldn't even be a debate. Those flags are free game as they do not symbolize our nation and everything about it obviously.

Frankly attaching flag burning to a leftist cause just isolates that cause same as when they attach KKK to our shit.

I want to start burning flags just because everyone is being such a cry baby bitch about it

Exactly, that's why both sides of the argument are double edged swords and thus why Sup Forums is sperging out with 100 threads.

As a nation, we allegedly chose to elect Trump. That means we should start compromising with him on taking the right to flag burn away. I propose a 2 warning 3 strike rule for revoking citizenship and deportation for minimum 1 month.

Exactly why everyone needs to just shut the fuck up and calm down.

I hope this thread puts out some of the retard fire.

Bumping with hopeful memes

It's illegal to burn money, even if you're doing that as a method of protest. Burning the flag, a symbolic attack on the country, should absolutely be illegal.

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But remember, the punishment should not be harsh. A year in prison can ruin a man's life. Burning a flag is just like losing your temper a little bit, and unless one goes too far or cant stop doing it (3 strike rule), then they should be let off easy.

Always remember to simultaneously stand with American freedom whenever you take away the legal right to do something.

If a citizen burns a flag they should be jailed for the first offense. If a non-citizen burns a flag, they should be deported with extreme prejudice, such that they are treated as an enemy combatant if they return.

>A year in prison can ruin a man's life.
They should probably not burn our flag then. If you give them wiggle-room then people will use up their "one burn" to be contrarian.

You should not be an American if you want punishments to be that harsh for such a minor crime. We pretty much agree it should be a crime, but I disagree on your meme tier authoritarian extremism. Have you even talked to anybody that knows Trump or do you just blindly trust him because of the memes and bantz?

I've always believed flag burning should be considered a minor form of treason. I'm just glad someone is actually putting it into the spotlight. Here's the US code for treason:

>18 U.S. Code ยง 2381 - Treason
>Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Considering that treason ranges from five years imprisonment with a minimum fine of $10,000 all the way up to public execution, I'd say that what I suggested is merciful if anything.

You're blending their definition of treason and ours now though. I think ours (which includes minor things like flag burning) would require reevaluating the punishments. Once flag burnings become petty treason(potential new law) then the minimum punishment can be reduced to 3 strike revoke/deport.

We are all human and we all make mistakes. The goal is to punish mistakes just enough to improve behavior, but not enough to oppress the people.

Remember, this is all assuming we are getting our 2nd amendment back meaning you can legally go tell those flag burners to go fuck themselves and if they violently attack you you can clean up the problem yourself.

Legally counter-protesting a protest is allowed.

I'm against structuring our legislation around the rules of baseball. Strike systems are stupid.

> then the minimum punishment can be reduced to 3 strike revoke/deport.
Where are you going to deport a citizen to? Detroit? We don't want them here thanks.

>We are all human and we all make mistakes. The goal is to punish mistakes just enough to improve behavior, but not enough to oppress the people.
A year in prison is not oppression, and will cause them to seriously reconsider attacking a symbol of our country. If you're concerned about the ramifications of their time in jail, then I don't mind conceding that it be expunged from their record after considerable community service. As for non-citizens, they're lucky flag burning isn't considered an act of war. Permanent exile for non-citizens is fine by me.

Non-citizens should be packing their bags or applying for citizenship.

That record expunging is a fair parallel compromise to what I offered, I'm not against punishment for crimes, I just dont want an unemployable career prisoner because they burned a flag. All I want is effective enforcemen that does more good than harm when punishing a criminal.

Regarding where the deported go: back to their home country and if they have none then I guess a year of forced labor seeing as how execution would be far too much.

Or we can just laugh at Europe's open borders policies and dumb our criminals over there

We must UNITE to keep trump in check and on the right path, or all is lost.

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It would require a constitutional amendment, good luck getting that done.

I agree but also think he has a chance(JUST A CHANCE) to be a great leader of the people.

No, it would just require overturning Texas v. Johnson. If that happens, then almost every state already has legislation that prohibits burning our flag.

Obama greased those wheels enough already. We could spend 8 years repairing the holes he and Bush tore and we wouldn't fix it back to where it was.

That video says nothing new for me no offense. Of course leftist media shills lies and their useful idiots help. We need to adress the establishment mostly jewish media oligarchy, but more importantly, central banking if were going to go down this path.

Hopefully we can stop calling porn distribution to children free speech too once we stop calling flat burning free speech.

Distributers should be punished for negligently sharing porn with children the same way bars should be accountable for letting drunks have too much to drink and then drive home and potentially kill someone.

I don't give a floating shit about porn. I don't like legislating morality. I'm just against allowing people to attack our country.

Agreed.