Is college a big sham?

Lately I've been hearing that college is totally useless. I wanted to get into trade but my parents would only pay for me to go to university and here I am. Its only freshmen year and I feel totally hopeless. Its so hard to care when I feel like this is all for nothing. Is there any point in getting a degree anymore?

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>Is there any point in getting a degree anymore?
Yes.
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People generally believe STEM is still useful.

I live in Melbourne, the most cucked city in perhaps the entire world, and despite Marxists constantly setting up booths outside the building I go to RMIT for an economics degree, and it seems that the course material is pretty objective and not skewed by leftism whatsoever.

We even had this one based as fuck IT lecturer who left the Soviet Union and was constantly saying how if socialism ever came to Australia he'd leave.

So really I think if you do something that teaches capitalism, like business, you might be alright.

You are naive and have a lot to learn, OP.

>Is there any point in getting a degree anymore?
Yes

But degrees aren't always the best option.

Yes useless but good seks youngfag

Software engineer here. Yes it is. I should have spent a few hard years learning online while working and put the $40000 plus lost income into my own company.

>I wanted to get into trade
Yes, college is 100% useless

>Lately I've been hearing that college is totally useless.

Universities exist to make money. Therefore they offer loads of meaningless courses for dumb kids. These courses are useless and will not get them a job BUT still cost a lot.

>I wanted to get into trade but my parents would only pay for me to go to university and here I am

This is VERY foolish of your parents.

What they don't understand is that not everyone is cut out for university and that's perfectly okay.

For some people STEM+Medicine comes easy. But for most people STEM+Medicine is extremely difficult, causes them a lot of stress and even if they DO graduate they are terrible at their jobs.

There is nothing wrong with you for not being STEM+Medicine material. It just means you'd excel somewhere else.

Your parents are absolute idiots for forcing you waste time doing something that's not right for you when you could be using that time to do something that is.

At the end of the day you'll probably end up doing a trade anyway, but instead of starting now and relatively debt free, you'll start in 4 years time with loads of debt.

I suggest you get out ASAP and don't look back. Tell your parents to fuck off. They'll understand in time.

>tl;dr University is not useless BUT it is if you're not doing STEM or Medicine and don't have a natural aptitude for it

All education is a sham!

Abolish all schools!

No one should ever learn anything!

Depends what you get a degree in. STEM is a pretty safe bet these days. Medicine or Law is usually safe as well, although I hear the schooling is ridiculously overpriced. Most business degrees I hear mixed things about; I'd do my research before taking out any loans. And I feel like it goes without saying that pretty much any liberal arts degree is shit and a waste of money. Just do your research, and don't take out any loans until you know for certain it's something you want to do and the payoff will be worth the investment.

A lot of small colleges have good trade curriculums. My 12k pop town's community college teaches pipe welding in its AAS

if its over $15,000 a year youre being cheated.

Then go do that and then skip out and get a welding job before youre done
Most welding careers start with being a welder's helper for a few years, not an aas

I disagree. I'm not a welder, but work around them, and most of them are all 30 year old guys who got certs. Similar to IT jobs.

anecdotal etc

You would be better off getting certs for the job you're applying for than doing an AAS though, yes.

First off if you are going to a diploma mill then you have to study STEM or your fucked If you are going to a private school then you can study whatever you want as long as its not something retarded like gender studies. College is still important because many jobs wont even look at you with out at least an associates degree.

I'd say a good 75% of the people dont need to be there. STEM, healthcare,accounting, yeah you need a bachelors, but for shit like sales or general office job, no you dont.

>Pass on AAS
>Get certs needed for job
then you agree

It's a tax for hipsters like lottery tickets are a tax on the poor

I disagree that most welding jobs come from apprenticeships or assistant positions.

It's called welder's helper
That's how you actually learn how to do the job

I knew were I to apply I wouldn't get very far and would probably drop out due to stress. Now I'm cozying into my niche as a mentally ill NEET.

My parents didn't go to college and are lower middle class slaves, seems like everything is falling into its right place in my life. Almost makes me think my mental illness is a reactionary measure against the fact I have potential to advance in this world. Which is still what I'm striving towards even despite the issues I might have.

Only problem is, college is indeed, for all intents and purposes, a sham. That's not me fox-and-graping this entire issue; higher education was never in the course of history available for plebeians. Now that it is we start to see why it should have remained that way.

It's a necessary sham. Believe me you won't get hired unless you have some sort of credentials (or more). Don't listen to any the neets in this thread, people that hire need credentials.

>Is there any point in getting a degree anymore?
STEM can be a good choice for people that are good (legitimately good, not slightly above average) at math, science, and problem solving. If you don't have an aptitude for it, you will struggle with your studies and, if you do finish the degree, perform poorly at your job.
There are some areas where pretty average people are able to do well. From what I can tell/have heard, accounting, nursing, and other such degrees that actually prepare you to do a job tend to work out fairly well.
Otherwise, you are wasting your time and money with needless schooling. If you can't name a job that either explicitly requires or can be easily had with a specific degree, it is safe to say that degree useless.

Necessary especially if you live in a third world shithole. Even if you don't, and you see yourself earning enough to survive and save little by little by doing jobs that don't require degrees, it's still safer to have a degree just to have that edge (especially in this age where there are 400 applicants for 40 empty slots) and to have something to fall on just in case things go south in your real dream job.

fuck college
can't I just stay home in my rural white paradise and call others lazy while collecting welfare, doing heroin, and demanding government hand-outs to some factory that used to be here years ago to re-open and hire all of us?

Once upon a time College mean't learning how to think critically. Now it's a 40k choose your own adventure that gives you a piece of paper at the end saying "you did it!".

Face it, society has died because it didn't pay attention to what was being taught.

Go to school for something useful

I don't give a shit if math is hard, go for it because engineering, medicine, and other in demand fields will give you a paycheck and a job you won't hate

If you want to be a lawyer, just start studying for the LSAT as soon as you possibly can. No one will give a shit about your undergrad (unless you do moot court, that's good), just get high score on that test.

Obviously, it depends on what field you getting into. If you want to work in medicine or law you'll need a degree. Otherwise, I'd say college is a complete scam.

The bottom line is if you can't get a good job without a degree you're probably a loser. If you can't get a good job WITH a degree, you should commit suicide.

College was originally created to teach Christian principles and ethics.

When Jews took over they converted them into Marxist Diploma Mills and distributed their worthless 'Professors'.

How else can you convince an average IQ white that a sub-human non-white is 'equal' or 'more equal' than them. Well, he has a license given by the gubbament to take your jobs and wymyminz, iss calls a diploma!

I'm banging your mom while you're gone kiddo.

Deep south.

May 17 graduate to be here, studying network engineering/sysadmin stuff.


Between the scholarships I got out of high school and the job I have here, as far as I can tell it has been a financial success.


I am able to work with technologies provided by the college that I would not have been able to if I had stayed home and purchased it all or built a home lab. I have sat down with professors in various subjects and learned things from them and their experiences, both about life and the subject they teach.


I have taught classes and understood them much more deeply than simply learning about them. I've also had the opportunity to participate in various campus organizations, each with their own unique benefits. I believe that the organizations are one thing that colleges provide that cannot be found anywhere else. These are testing grounds that you can certainly manipulate if you put time and effort into them.


So overall I would say that no, college is not useless. I have found great value in my time here, and because I'm graduating on time, there is very little opportunity cost. I've got a job lined up and am planning to start studying for the CCNA and CWNA. Feels breddy gud.

I obtained a Masters in chemical engineering with a minor in architectural engineering with the sole intention of being an explosives technician working on quarries and large scale commercial construction sites. I also operate a wrecking ball.

The first 2 year2 out of college I paid off my student loans, in full.

There's A LOT of money to be made blowing shit up and knocking shit down.

Most of the construction workers worth their weight in salt make above $65,000 a year as grunt workers, project managers and site operators always make $100,000+. Foremen make about the same, depends on the size of the firm I'm working with.

Only drawback is that most of these people only talk about sports, while simultaneously making fun of other races. Odd thing is all the sports they watch and talk about are negrocentric.

>Lately I've been hearing that college is totally useless.

I paid £28k for my education ($34k)
I work in a shop selling shoes

Universities no longer have the quality lecturers or the time/money to provide you with the freedom or understanding that you really need. Traditionally a University was a place where you learned off your own back, making your own decisions on what to study, with the support of deeply learned lecturers with decades in that field. Now its just powerpoint presentations and photocopies of textbooks.

You can go out and buy your own textbooks for fucks sake - or join your chosen sector and get experience.
Sadly the Degree remains important ON PAPER - because it means you have, at least, shown a concerted effort to concentrate on your subject. Its just a checkbox to make sure you're not totally useless at the job.

Just a handful of degrees have value. Even Sup Forums's beloved STEM field have dumb degrees

If you pick the right major it's fine.
It's overpriced and some schools require you to take mandatory liberal arts and "diversity" classes as a requirement but having a degree in a practical field is still a necessity for most high paying jobs.

That sounds hella fun user. What kinds of things have you gotten to rekt?

>falling for the trade meme

Yes trades can work for some. However, for many they end up stuck at a fixed pleb tier income, and destroy their bodies in the process.

If you go to college go for a useful degree.

simple

Even STEM isn't safe today, the fields are over saturated also you're competing with poo in the loo patel and ching ping wing who will work for way less. Trades aren't that great either, unions don't let many people in to keep the demand high. Its rough out there guys, really no where to run. I have a BS, I wait tables at night and clean pools during the day to make ends meet LOL, yeah life sucks.

In my 4th year of Mechanical Engineering.
A lot in college is useless bullshit. It's no different than high school; the only thing that matters is that piece of paper.

>STEM field have dumb degrees
studied molecular biology with sole purpose of being a doctor some day. Well medschool is a fucking disaster so I dropped that shit and don't know where to go. I was managing an anatomy/plastination lab for a few years but quit since it sucked ass. Not sure where to go from here.

Large skyscrapers in the Kangbashi district of Ordos in China was the most fun. Lived there for 3 years, everything paid cash in advance plus what they called "earned disposable revenue funds" which were just bribes to hang around longer and keep building, or knocking out holes in the earth to build foundations for this city.

It's famously known to be a completely abandoned city but NOW it's already being overpopulated with China's middle class. Pretty neat place.

The Diavik mines in Canada's northern territories was a dreadful place to work, BUT getting in there "pre-security" scored me a few decent sized diamond roughs. Not that they would really care if they knew I grifted them anyway, trillions of carats a year come out of that mine alone. Diamonds are valueless outside of the market these companies themselves create by causing a frenzied demand but limiting the supply.

Lots of cool shit.

Going to the best school in the state for Geology. Bye bye OPEC hello American energy independence and shekels.

I just am so unsure. Not been able to find work since leaving college a few years ago and seem to be considering at least having a look at university.

Only problem is, why bother blowing more student loan debt money on a silly piece of paper that's still not going to guarantee employment of any kind?

College is broken. Lazy professors making class a team effort so less work for professor and less grading. Some dummy always slips through without doing anything cause team thinks it's best not to be a narc.

What do you plan on doing with your Geology degree?

Petroleum.

Yeah I'm not one to be able to help. My answer is always join the military, that's what I did. It's actually not that bad desu

kek

I typed t.bh but desu came up for some reason wtf

Tell us more ,':^]
How can I get a cool job like you someday?

Not every college education has to be received at a four year private. The point of college is not just to teach career specific skills, but to also teach other skills that employers want: collaboration, the ability to research and vett information, the ability to write well, the ability to work under tight deadlines...more importantly, the exposure to a community of learning is supposed to challenge your misconceptions and beliefs.

Colleges provide internships, career and vocational services, and volunteering options. Yes you can get some of this in other places if you don't want anything career specific or you want time to decide.

The tl;Dr is if you leave college without broadening your skillset and completing some internships, you have no one to blame but yourself. THESE are the autists that come on here and shit post about higher education.

I'm 26 so idk if that is too old for military. My brother starts basic this month for the Air Force and that's what he's been preaching lately. Currently I am helping my brother in law with his landscaping business doing outdoor construction which at the time beat schlepping around dead animals at a thankless job and actually pays $15 currently. About to have some time off and maybe try to start my own business. I actually invented a new anatomical model while working at lab and it might make some serious money if I get to production and market correctly. If it doesn't pan out I will use my acquired 10,000 hrs of dremeling and apply for military dental school with the Air Force.

how new are you?

I went to infantry OSUT at 25 and was fine. The top guy in the company was 34. Most guys in SF are in their 30's.

Being 26 and too old for the air force is comical unless you're fat as fuck.

I just wanted to learn to tig weld and they said I had to learn arc and oxy/acetylene first. I told them I don't want to learn that and they just said how would we make you pay more money if we didn't have stupid pre requisites.

Air Force - 39

Army - 35

Marines - 28

Navy - 34

Get on it.

The Air Force is in serious need of more airmen. I think our entire military is in need of more volunteers.

As a warning, jobs are often understaffed and overworked. Shouldn't stop you from coming in and doing your damnedest.

If you aren't doing a STEM degree, then college is highly suspect.

The military is an alternative, check the benefits you get, they're pretty good.

My Lord, are you serious? If your parents are paying for your university education, then yes, of COURSE it's worth it! If you have to take out loans and be in debt for the rest of your life, it wouldn't be worth it (unless you were going into a very very high paying field).

I didn't finish college and even though I ended up doing all right in my career, the world I came into in the 1980s is no longer existent. Back then, if you worked hard and were committed to a craft, you could get ahead regardless.

Now, one needs a college degree just to heave packages on a conveyor belt at Amazon. They suck that way, though. I imagine there must still be companies that will hire without a degree, but geeeez, if it's being paid for, you should take advantage of it and get a degree in a non-humanities field, if possible.

STEM is fine. humanities are just fucked.

tha fuck nigga? mommy and daddy paying for your university education and your bitching and moaning because your not inspired? You know you may be the single most boring person I have ever heard of.

The degree is the only reason to go to college. You won't learn shit.

Do what I did, people that do what I do are in short supply. Guaranteed to land big bids after graduation, training and licensing.

>serious need of more airmen
I'm 6'2' over 200lbs no fucking way I'm flying anything. I just want to be an Orthodontic surgeon. Realistically though I'll do whatever job.

Hold them to their agreement about Uni if you find something you want to go into later in life, and pay for Vocational school yourself. You can likely afford it.

If you want to stay away from leftist shit, just choose a STEM major or a professional school like buissness or econ.

At my uni in VT, some lib shit sneaks into the more pt focused sections of my pre-med classes but its not to bad. And in the hard sciences like bio/chem/physics, despite some of my profs being visibly gay. None of them ever bring it up during class or lab.

STEM is perfectly fine regarding the time and money you're spending. For humanities and all the other BS, you really shouldn't expect a higher education. In those areas you learn next to nothing, and the only reason why you should go to college for those subjects is for the degree alone. Degrees make you look better when applying for jobs, especially if you decide upon going into government or law.

Orthodontic surgeon?

Say no senpai. Air Force needs those too.

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Granted, it requires a doctorate. If you go in and tell them that's what you want to work toward, and you put the effort in, they will provide the resources for you to chase the dream.

Military advertises itself on all the big operater-tier jobs like pilot, spec ops soldier, combat rescue, etc, but they need support jobs just as much.

Going to college just to go to college is one of the most destructive memes in our society.

It's not like it's a separating factor anymore.

Take STEM, business, law, medicine, or nothing at all.

Everything else you can teach yourself. Humanities and liberal arts = paying 50k for marxist indoctrination. You won't learn history from a modern history education, you'll learn marxism disguised as history.

Just read books for a real education in the subjects that have fallen to the jew.

youtu.be/04wyGK6k6HEt=1h16m40s

Take it from a former Harvard professor

I feel your pain OP, I'm almost one semester down with my masters and I feel like it's a complete fucking big joke.

Does every security clearance in the military go after your medical records?? Or only TS?

Cause that's one factor in whether or not I join. I can lie my way through MEPS and the moment of truth but I can't if the clearance people try-hard on my records.

Also how many hours a day do military people work?

They want you to just be smart enough to be a good goyim who is part of the machine, but not any smarter than that. They want you to be high functioning cattle. ideally, you go to university for four or more years, learn a highly specific niche skill that will be outdated in ten years, and then you go back for more (((learning))). Also take into account that college is a business

What sort of medical problems?

Seems to depend where you go, who you know, etc. People get, or get denied, waivers for all sorts of shit.

Its a waste for most people including you.

Mental problems. Non-hospitalized.

How many hours a day to you guys work? I think that's the one thing that could make it re-activate.

Could be anywhere between 45 and 55 hours per week depending on job, location, and the needs of Big Blue.

Degree in S.T.E.M = jobs, money
Degree in "The Emotional Psychology of Medieval Shoemaking" = yes your degree is useless and you are a disgrace

Unless, of course, you're a maintainer. Then you're fucked.

Protip : stop calling yourself a "Software Engineer" at once. Actually qualified people cringe and/or laugh their asses off on the inside when you call yourself that. You're a software developer

Don't go unless you're ready to go. And make sure you know what you want to major in first. If you don't want to major in Engineering or a useful science, don't bother going.

>2000 + 16
>not being a philosophy major

philosophy.ucdavis.edu/undergraduate-program/majoring-in-philosophy/philosophy-for-pre-law-and-pre-med-students

theatlantic.com/notes/2015/09/philosophy-majors-out-earn-other-humanities/403555/

businessinsider.com/successful-philosophy-majors-2014-1?op=1

You're dumb, s.eng. is iron-ring in canada

Fuck your parents, take out a loan to learn your trade. HVAC, Plumber, Electrician, welder, machinist, mechanic, on and on. you'll never be out of a job.

You'll own a fucking house by the time your friends graduate with gender-dance-basketweaver degrees. Giving you an early start on growing your wealth, and enabling you to achieve higher goals.

My dad was a mechanic from age 17-28 and then went to school to be a dentist, and used that income to expand into real estate and senior management consulting. Now he's a multimillionaire.

With a bs in psychology, you'll be begging for decent work the rest of your life.


That's my opinion on 4-year universities.

For the Navy, I just looked it up, they're saying 12 hours a day.

I don't think I can do it. It's hard for me to do that in civillian world. Might be easier considering cooking my own food eats up an hour and I won't have to do that but I still don't think I can handle it.

COLLEGE IS FOR GETTING LAID user ENJOY A GIRL LIKE THIS AND BE THANKFUL YOUR PARENTS ARE PAYING FOR YOU TO HAVE A 4 YEAR SEX ESCAPADE!!!!!!!!!

did you do co-ops between semesters at school? probably not. universities generally hand out co-ops for fucking free, and that's 4 years worth of getting your foot in the door

That's your call man. If you know you're potentially capable of it it's a good fallback option.

This is what I'm doing, but you have to decide for yourself what you're doing.

>Is there any point in getting a degree?

Becoming a commissioned officer in the US military requires a BA. I'm commissioning in the Marine Corps through ROTC, which is paying for college at an elite university to the tune of nearly $50k/year. I will graduate, commission, and be solidly in the middle class. If I ever decide to leave the military, I will have a degree with a name on it that is universally respected, as well as an incredible alumni network. If I stay in long enough past my current active duty service obligation, I'll have further benefits, including the GI Bill. Maybe I go to law school, maybe I pay for my son to go to college so he doesn't have to serve (my parents didn't go to college). Retirement policy is being changed, it used to be precisely 20 years and you'd get retirement. I don't know the details of the new system, but there is still a generous retirement pay policy and I could probably retire in my early 40s and work in corporate America with a six figure salary while drawing retirement pay.

Don't join the military just because they offer to pay for school. It is a job. If you don't want to do the job, you're going to hate life and be a shitty officer, which nobody needs. Just as college isn't for everybody, the military isn't for everybody. I personally would have enlisted out of high school if college weren't an option financially, because I love the military, I want to deploy, and I'm averse to taking on large debt.

Aside from the financial aspect, you should realize that college is just fun. Join a frat (if you can afford), get involved outside the classroom, make good friends, and fuck hot girls.

Just don't blow your GPA and you'll be fine. Also don't go to a shit school and/or have a shit GPA and whine about how your degree didn't animorph into a job offer or a ticket to the middle class. It's still earned.

>including the GI Bill.

Everything about your post is wrong, but that part is especially wrong.

I can verify what he said is true because I'm doing the same thing.

From the new GI bill .org:

>Officers who graduated from service academies or received ROTC scholarships do qualify for Post-9/11 GI Bill (Chapter 33). However, time spent satisfying the ROTC/Service Academy active duty obligation does not count toward the active duty service necessary to qualify for the benefits.

These requirements are typically 5 years for academies and 4 years for ROTC grads. For example if an ROTC grad served 6 years after graduating college, their first 4 years would not count but their subsequent 2 years of service would qualify that office for 80% of the Post-9/11 GI Bill.

If an ROTC graduate becomes a reserve officer and then is activated on federal orders it is possible that this active duty service would qualify for Post-9/11 eligibility.

Go into STEM or learn a trade.

desu you should have stuck with doing something you are willing to fight tooth and nail for.
The people who manage ok at the end of university have to have unprecedented amounts of balls to give a fuck you to lefty ideals and what the establishment peddles as "good jobs" which, most of the time, turn out to be slave work (especially if you work in academia).

If you're just doing a degree for the sake of having "intricate knowledge" of a hobby or just to have something shiny on your CV because you didn't know what to do after high school, don't expect much from it. The best degree is the one that you're passionate about and that has decent professional associations that won't fuck you over after you graduate.

It's in the law establishing the Post-9/11 GI Bill. I personally know vets that have done and are doing exactly what I've described. You don't accrue GI Bill time while you are serving an educational ADSO from ROTC or the service academies, but after that ADSO is up (4 years in my case) you start getting credit toward GI Bill benefits. Maybe that is the source of your confusion.

What service bro?

AFROTC, AFSC 17D. Hoping to hit the 17DS shred.

I'm in too deep now to drop out. The worst part is that I am going to a shitty party school, Radford University. Hopefully I can transfer to VCU or Virginia Tech. At least I am in Comp Sci and not some shitty meme degree, Also my half jew cousin is gonna hook me up with a job when I graduate.

Cyber is important, but I don't envy that job, sounds like a powerpoint headache. I just want infantry.