Muslim Libertarian Reaching Out To Nazis

I go to a very liberal school in Chicago where I may be dropping my Philosophy major because all we talk about is retarded liberal progressive shit like the oppression, racism, and gender crap. Disagree with everything and I'm they only conservative.

Yesterday they brought up the alt right. I had when the left in general but I couldn't stand to defend the ultra right either. Never met/talked to one.

For you ultra right nationalists here, help me understand you so I can possibly defend you. I really don't think you guys are as racist/xenophobic etc as people make you seem, far too nativist/nationalist though which I think is dangerous.

Background: I'm a Muslim Arab immigrant. Moved here mid 2001. Very conservative and very libertarian (classic liberal minarchist).

So here's a olive branch let's talk.

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You're in higher education and you still type like that?

Proof-read a little dude.

All you need to know about me is that the social contract is broken between me and the liberals who would heap chains upon my back.

Words like xenophobic and racist mean nothing to me anymore and I will do anything in my power to secure a future for myself and my future family and my community at the expense of those in my way.

Again, the social contract is broken.

The alt-right is a media strawman

Don't.
Keep quiet, say what they want to hear, get the best grade you can get, shake the dust off your shoes and never look back.

This, you type exactly like CTR.

here is a guide to the alt right

Sup Forums is not one person

regardless, I think the silent majority of us are national libertarians- but I can only speak for myself. In terms of culture, I don't believe in brownshirt rounding up and genociding nonwhites. I do, however, think every nation and it's people have a right to not be displaced neither culturally nor demographically.

Economically I'm pro free market/capitalism. Not corporatism. This is an important distinction. Corporatism has an unholy alliance with some degree of liberal policies such as heavy regulations, which big corporations can spend their way through while small/medium businesses cannot.

In terms of religion I myself am Catholic but my beliefs are generally secular in the political sense. The culture should echo the reigning native religion (to an extent) in terms of values, but it's not necessary nor just to enforce religious communion.

Politically I believe in minimum government interference. Definitely not full blown ancap nor full of libertarian. Government is a necessary evil which should act a referee to step in when someone breaks the rules, maintain the integrity of the game, and to muster arms in the face of a foreign invader.

I'm not sure what else you'd like to know.

the alt-right is a meme, dude

>muslim
>Very conservative and very libertarian (classic liberal minarchist).
>reaching out to the alt-right

Your either a troll, or very confused.

>haha time to get a philosophy degree
you deserve all of it and a .22 in your right nut.

>defend the ultra right

as a minarchist you must understand it is up to the individual, not the government, to "do the right thing".

The difference is that enough time learning economics will teach you that money doesn't prevent misdeeds. A breadmaker might not want to poison bread for the sake of his profits, but in libertarian land no breadmaker would hesitate from putting heroin- a potent poison by any description- into his bread.

What prevents him from putting "heroine in the bread" as we say, or generally abusing the people for profit? A staist might say the government has a job to regulate what is allowed in bread. But the right would say it is his upbringing that determines what he would do. A more moral, religious man would avoid poisoning his people even at a profit.

I'm Chinese.

Most of the racists here, even the extreme ones, just want to be left alone to have their own culture.

Its an entirely reasonable proposition.

rest in piss, shit skin

I think it makes sense to see how Muslims are socially conservative

Me on the far right

Islam teaches that Sharia law is the only valid legal system. How can you reconcile libertarianism?

Well OP-

Hundreds of years ago my ancestors wiped most the race indigenous to my now home country off the face of the map in order to secure better lives for themselves.

It is 2016 and illegal immigrants and Syrian refugees are pouring into this country, they say they will not assimilate, they are violent, and they endanger my way of life.

This is why I am alt-right. If some dindu nigger thug wants me to pay reparations he can shove it, because his nigger ass would be starving in Africa if it weren't for me.

>1 post by this ID

I'm on my phone get over it

I'm glad you feel that way, now send me some of your women for breeding purposes.

Why do you want our women if you have perfect white women?

That was the final straw for me.

Professor said most Americans don't know that they are racist. He said you can be racist through ignorance. I lost my shit.

That's my problem with the left. They hijacked those words. No racism and xenophobia exist. But those dumbasses left them with no meaning.

no bully china friend

No, you get under it ;^)

You get what I mean

I'm just yanking your chain friendo

I can't do this for two more years. It really gets under my skin. I'm a double major so once I finish this I'm transferring.

You have to go.

Many of us are Neoreactionaries, which is a philosophy mostly independent of xenophobia, but rejects modernity. You should check it out.

thedarkenlightenment.com/moldbugs-gentle-introduction/

Its a pretty extensive philosophy, but we basically find democracy wanting.

I know I get it but you know what I mean, couldn't think of a way to get their attention.

Sup Forums in general basically see's whiteness as an identity. They seem to believe that there is some sort of an unspoken war between the races to see who is the most superior.

This is why America belongs to white people and not Indians, because Indians are inferior and whites legitimately kicked their asses.

Most Sup Forums users probably wouldn't go up to someone of another race and call them a nigger or kike or something in public, most wouldn't want to commit genocide. But they would prefer it if all those different to them lived in their separate area and weren't able to partake in their society or possibly consume some of their resources.

What's your other major? I'm in community college at the moment and it's absolute cancer. Even the general education. My required reading textbook for English Composition is "Readings for Diversity and Social Justice". For fucks sake I'm in to become a history teacher, I've already been risking my grades and putting myself out there speaking out in the class (in a non spergy and reasonable way, but it's still dangerous). Lord knows how awful the revisionist history courses are going to be. Thankfully I'm transferring after two years of community, and I now have the perspective to allow me to specifically look for a place that won't make me actually want to kill myself, nor will my beliefs endanger me academically/socially as much as it can in some hellholes

Why is that?

Just tell your teacher he is a rapist if he disagrees with you on any subject. If he objects start shouting rapist at him. If you are physically removed from the classroom start shouting "I'm winning the debate" as you are escorted from the premises. He will never forget you or your kooky beliefs...

>the straightest option still includes "incidental homosexuality"
what

you act as if 'racism' is bad.

it's not.

there's no real convincing sheltered people and fools of the reality of the human situation on earth.

racism is true.

so we just keep our knowledge a secret.

At the core of the alt-right or sympathizers is the issue of demographic security.

America isn't up for grabs for anybody, the right for the founding stock to remain the majority and the culture to be preserved should be respected.

Civic nationalism is a compromise, phenotype matters, genetics matters and not on a matter of supremacy.

I agree I don't anything wrong with it for the Europeans. The Americans I do. No such thing as an American identity like being German or Scottish.

It's any accepting US values (in my opinion that's why we're the greatest country in the world)

Liberals have propped themselves to be the guardians of morality. They needed something like the Catholics did with original sin to manipulate and shame (i.e. control) people. For them, it's racism.

To absolve oneself of this sin is to remove any display of self assertion, confidence, pride or loyalty to oneself. You must be a white ally, a ghost - not a person.

I see liberals as anti-humanity.

I think you're misrepresenting the opinions. There's not necessarily and unspoken war to see who is most superior. This isn't about superiority although many of us do see Europeans and east Asians as objectively superior. But the point is that other cultures and people who are diametrically opposed to us are being forced upon us. Every society has a right to their own self determination, and nobody should be subject to cultural suicide. I myself don't give a fuck about others outside of North America and Europe. Let them do whatever and manage their own affairs. Just give us the same right.

Nigs are a manifestation of the problem of integrating shitty people into an objectively good culture. They commit huge amounts of crime, they're stupid, they chimp out in public. Fucking annoying as hell

Tell him that he is using racism as a substitute for original sin.

White people do not want to be a cultural nor ethnic minority in their own country.

Why?

Because history shows that works out really, really badly for whites. South Africa and Rhodesia are good examples of what happens to whites when they become the political minorities in pluralistic nations that have long standing racial or cultural animosity.

I think the dream of a multi-racial and religiously pluralistic America that had one culture - a culture of success and cooperation around shared values, a culture that anyone from any background could join - was a good dream. It was a great dream.

But I'm afraid it was only a dream. It may have seemed like it was going to work for a while, but it is abundantly clear that cultural and group identity divisions in America are sharper than ever, and they are being amplified.

People _see_ race, and the only people who bother saying they don't are white people.

As long as Muslims in America are going to give the benefit o the doubt to other Muslims before they give the benefit of the doubt to FBI anti-terror units, Muslims cannot be part of America.

As long as blacks in America think of themselves primarily as black, and that this identity is at odds with being American, blacks cannot be allowed to be any relevant force in American society or politics.

As long as latinos vote 3.5 to 1 for leftism and democrats, and as long as they feel solidarity with the Mexican Reconquista movement, they cannot be allowed to come here, stay here, or vote in our elections.

I wanted the dream to work. I spent a long time believing it.

I gave up. Identity politics is mutually assured destruction. If the other sides play - and they do, then we (whites) have to play also. Whites in America must NEVER allow themselves to become the political minority.

It's nothing personal.

>Moved here mid 2001.

Sorry your father couldn't fly planes worth shit.

Second Treaties of Government by Locke, he proclaimed that no man has a right to rule over another except one deemed to be a ruler by God.

I agree.

The Prophet Muhammad pbuh was that man for us, and he appointed no other leaders after him. Within theological context I have no obligation to accept any authority any more.

Shari'a law is extremely misunderstood but there slither conversation

>So here's a olive branch let's talk.

Fuck off.

I'm sorry but you're wrong. America is not just abstract ideas. It was created and perpetuated by European Christian culture and people. It wasn't until the immigration act of 1965 that it changed from Europeans to the third world. The people we have here (except illegals), fine. But no more. As the founding blood we deserve the right to our demographic security. And America was historically and factually European. It's the mix of Europeans who could come together to push the ideas of enterprise and freedom to it's limits of potential. It's not just for anyone to come and say I'm American. No more third worlders. This is a white country at its core. We can have some outsiders as long as they agree to assimilate. But we deserve to not be displaced

Hi Styx.

There are clear American cultures and subcultures - for example, the entire Southern culture, which is very heavily clannish and borrows a lot from the Scot-Germanic ancestry.

If they wish to maintain it a certain regions, I don't see why they shouldn't.

Acceptance isn't always the best answer. It has its upsides, but also leads to "you can't deny baking cakes to a homosexual."

Ultimately, it leads to death of any culture - like how feminism destroys the "housewife culture" that this girl below is morning. People are like animals, we need a habitat to exist, and if the habitat is sufficiently disrupted, it destroys any unique culture.

thatstepfordgal.com/2016/11/27/ladylike-pursuits-domestic-creativity-community-under-threat/

Biology, I want to become a Bio Ethicist/Researcher.

Love Biology and Philosophy so I was excited to know I can combine them. But we're not having epistemological or ethical discussions. Just leftist ideologues talking shit.

>Catholic

regardless I'm flattered you compare me to the meme sorcerer himself

>Muslim
>2001

Top KEK

I was thinking of telling him I identify as black and call him racist for being a white privileged make. Keep doing every day. Give them a taste of their medicine.

Islam is its own political system. How do you reconcile it with libertarian and Minarchism?

>Bio ethicist/researcher

How does that work? Sounds interesting. I've always loved science and biology in particular, but I'm more a story oriented history guy myself. Planning on becoming a history teacher

do all white nationalists get free world tours? sign me up

Sure buddy.

Either you're trolling or playing into their narrative.

If neither than idk what to say to that.

And I'll add I absolutely love philosophy. I did an intro to philosophy course in high school and I was hooked from there. What a shame that a college level philosophy course has been corrupted

>mfw my philosophy teacher was based as fuck and really picked our brains
>mind/body problem, ethics, all the basics
>mfw talked to him about lifting after class

I miss you Horowitz.

I don't see anything I disagree with do far actually... Somewhat what I was expecting to be honest

Where can I sign up for the sex and career grooming?

I want to be a Bio Ethicist. Not one of those "hey I'm deep man logical fallacy bro".

And not sure what you are trying to get it exactly.

This fits. Fancy myself a traditionalist seeking a return to a virtuous society and reject materialism.

I find most of what you said problematic but I'll take it.

One thing I can proudly say is that us Arabs are not cucks like most Westerners are, and I mean that seriously

Thanks for the article I'll give it a look

>(((Horowitz)))

Your post has inspired me to move to some arab country and make some sperm donations :^)

Hope you like it. Its a rival brand of philosophy, and one which significantly helped me understand that my conservatism was far more intellectual than academia gives us credit for.

Hey man he was based as fuck. Don't diss Horowitz. He introduced me to Aristotle's virtue ethics and Descartes and others

I don't mind segregation based on culture but I do promote diversity. I don't know how it is outside of the US but it works great here but I know what you mean.

I don't think you guys would have that problem if you didn't have welfare states or take in anyone. Why the fuck do you guys let migrant refugees with no skills in. They just destroy the labor market. But war refugees I think are a different issue. I think the shitty immigrants really fucked it up for the ones that deserve it

>Libertarian
>Muslim
>Nazi

If you fall into any of these categories, you need to re-think your life.

Death to the Arabs. Go be a libertarian in your sand nigger shithole.

I guess I just exploded when he pretty much said I'm a self hating Arab/ self hating Muslim.

I take pride in my religion and culture.

But he has his head so far up his self hating white ass that he tells me, a brown Muslim first generation immigrant who's worked with minority activists, a racist.

The left is out of control.

>ultra right nationalists

Sup Forums is anti-globalist. Do you know what globalism is? It's a Vatican conspiracy to create a New World Order with a single world religion and one world government, ruled by the Pope.

Do you like that idea? As a libertarian I assume you would hate the idea of a universal corporate dictatorship. Well then, welcome to Sup Forums friend

Many of us would support helping neighbor countries house them by providing financial and other support. Just because there's a war on doesn't mean they can come be citizens here. Most of us would also not be in favor of the disastrous foreign policy that led to the war in the first place. I don't hate refugees, but war is not winning the lottery to come here. They can be cared for more cheaply in other ways.

It is pretty hard to get cucked when your wife is literally a goat amirite?

I think many here won't be against diversity if it was handled like Singapore - with respect to the host culture, and controlled for the best.

The problem is that many are arguing that diversity is a virtue in and of itself, rather than considering its pros and cons.

I mean, yeah, steel is better than pure iron - but that doesn't mean we should just randomly infuse as much carbon into iron as possible. You get crap instead.

>reddit spacing
Kys
Sage
Gas the kikes race war now

I agree that you should not have outsiders dumped on you.

I'm very pro open immigration but really those in charge have done a shitty job so I get why it bothers you.

What do you mean by nigs? If niggers than I disagree with your evaluation lol

Tell him that it arouses you sexually when you get called a racist. Tell him you do not consent to his boundary crossing use of sexual language. proceed to accuse him of being a rapist.

Ethnonationalism
They want a homogeneous white society cause its better and there is hue amounts of research and proof that this is the case

This is awesome dude.

It's more because their family unit is broken and so is their culture. However, the left is doing the exact same thing to the family unit of the rest of the US and we will pay dearly for it (already are). The family unit must be protected at all costs. It is the bedrock of any society. When we fight against social degeneracy, it is because it is seen as clear attacks on the foundations of stable society. Civilization is hard to achieve and requires diligence to maintain. Many on the left have a certain aire of expectation as thata of a spoiled person who takes these things for granted and does not understand the full implications of their policies.

Three simple things understand:
>men are over 3x more productive in terms of paying taxes vs taking benefits from the state, but yet women & numales shit on us
>white males are the only sanctioned group EVERYONE can be openly racist towards, shit upon, and commit hate crimes against, despite enjoying thousands of years of progress led by said "underclass"
>A majority of this country now TAKES more benefits from the government than they pay in, effectively making tax-paying hard working men captive to a bunch of free-loading welfare recipients that HATE US?
But nah we are probably just all misogynistic bigoted homophobic xenophobes...

Go to Chicago, NYC, California, that dream is well and alive.

Trust me that identity division bull crap is over blown. We're all what we believe we are and Americans.
No reason you can't take pride in being black of American. I don't give a shit, just respect this country and what it stands for.

Your analysis on Muslims is wrong. Look at FBI reports. They thank us over and over for our cooperation. I would actually argue we cooperate too much.

Mexicans will continue to vote Democrat until they stop feeling hated by Republicans. I fucking hate voting Democrat I hate it I hate it I hate it they don't stand for my values at all.

But atleast they don't want to kick me out of this country or see me as a threat. So I vote Democrat.

Well, its part of Human Biodiversity. People aren't the same, and the races form a rough but nonetheless useful form of grouping at times.

There's plenty of science, now suppressed, to show differences in IQ and attitude among races. Northern Europeans exhibit affective empathy, Southern Chinese(like me) have short-SERE which inclines hugely toward collectivism, etc.

Forcefully mashing people together will naturally lead to problems, and even more so, when we're no longer allowed to discuss real differences.

I mean, if blacks do indeed have a lower distribution of IQ, then they would not be proportionally represented among higher IQ jobs. That's just life - but it shouldn't be an affront to human dignity to find out that some people don't have as much IQ as others.

But we can't even discuss or talk about it nowadays.

Niggers are unbearable. I can't stand them. There are plenty of fine black folks, but niggers are a different issue entirely. The white equivalent would be white trash, but I find nigs to stand out in a special way.

I went to school with a fair but notable portion of them. After puberty hit they became literal chimps. They're generally very stupid (the intelligent ones who I personally befriended I later found out were mixed), statistically they (13% of the population) commit 50% of murders, nigs (not black folks) live off of welfare and bitch about muh oppression, and god I can't stand how they act in public. Regularly they will literally play music out loud, or would chimp around with their friends, or just straight up randomly dance. I'm fairly judgmental of behavior, I myself being generally polite and kept to myself unless there's either an interesting discussion at hand or I'm with a small group of people. I find annoying public behavior frustrating. So I can't stand the way they act in public.

Funny story actually

we came here in July 2001 and loved to NJ (he worked in a hospital in NYC) but he lost his job after 9/11 so we moved to Chicago and been here ever since.

The Statue of Liberty would disagree.

Either that or they forgot to write out white immigrants only.

I can't think of anything less American than what you said.

It's simply the America you wish it was but never was at all nor will be.

>Alt right
It's a meme. Just as calling people "SJW's" is a meme. Anyone who identifies as either of these groups has some serious problems.

>Image doesn't have a Kinsey 0.
I wonder who could have removed the "Exclusively heterosexual" option.

But almost a third of Muslims don't condemn terrorist actions. I feel that unfortunately, Islamic scholarship had an Golden Age with Al Kindi, Al Khwarizmi, Avicenna but then got arrested.

But then Al Ghazali came.

"…our opponent claims that the agent of the burning is the fire exclusively;’ this is a natural, not a voluntary agent, and cannot abstain from what is in its nature when it is brought into contact with a receptive substratum. This we deny, saying: The agent of the burning is God, through His creating the black in the cotton and the disconnexion of its parts, and it is God who made the cotton burn and made it ashes either through the intermediation of angels or without intermediation. For fire is a dead body which has no action, and what is the proof that it is the agent? Indeed, the philosophers have no other proof than the observation of the occurrence of the burning, when there is contact with fire, but observation proves only a simultaneity, not a causation, and, in reality, there is no other cause but God."

So there's no cause and no effect and this became a dominant mode of thinking. In essence, this meant that all that mattered was to follow Allah, not logic. He became "the single most influential Muslim after the Islamic prophet Muhammad."

Needless to say, if taken at flat value, this greatly justifies violence in a way that no Crusade ever managed in my opinion.

"the melting pot" was made by Jews. Not exaggerating. The statement on the statue of liberty was made by a Jew. I'm half Jew and I recognize that subversion from foreign influence is wrong. Like I said, what we have here already fine, but the idea that we were meant to be a melting pot of the world is nonsense and made by people who had a vested interest in sowing division, not creating unity

>oh yes professor Goldbergshekelbergblattstein say it again call me a racist.
>you're a filthy racist goyim and you need to be rinsed off with a fire house
>OH GOD COMMIT WHITE GENOCIDE AGAINST ME IT FEELS SO GOOD
>yeah take it you filthy goy I'm gonna slap you around with a fresh copy of rules for radicals
>MR SHEKELBERGSTEIN IM ABOUT TO SHOOT HOT JIZZ EVERYWHERE DON'T STOP
>it was all written in the talmud you filthy go-

Just then David duke kicks the door down whilst wielding a golden sword.

>NOT SO FAST YOU FILTHY KIKES

The dangerzone starts playing as Dr. duke beats the living shit out of prof goldberg. after the beating is done duke rawdawg rapes the kike on the floor for hours with dangerzone on repeat. kills the faggot white lefty student. looks down at the kike.

>I HOPE YOU'VE LEARNED YOUR LESSON

looks into the camera winks and is carried away by bald eagles.

You are an ignorant buffoon.

Read the naturalization act of 1790. Look at it on Wikipedia.

The US has had an explicit white racial preference for immigration for almost all of its existence. That only changed in 1965, and only after the people who pushed the bill lied about it.

The US was built for whites, by whites.

Very late in its life, it attempted to truly see if its mythology about racial and religious universalism could hold up.

It largely hasn't worked out.

I've been to all of the cities you mention. They are shitholes.

>Philosophy major
Drop it because its totally useless outside of Acadamia. Philosophy is a noble hobby to have, and one that I enjoy, but the fact of the matter is that you can't do shit in the private market with it.

You are in school to learn a skill, NOT to "become a better person."

Like every single time I drive through this out because I absolutely love it I start to feel unwelcomed which I honestly don't mind.

You don't Muslims in your town than fuck you but that's it. I don't see why you're expected to take in people you don't want.

But...I will say it again diversity is great and places with diversity are greater. It's been proven to be more productive, efficient due to the sharing of different ideas and spreading them within various communities.

So although I promote acceptance and diversity I understand why some people don't want it and I don't think they should be vilified for it

Were not the fucking alt right FUCK.

This is actually false.

Countless studies show the following results
- racial diversity destroys social trust
- people are LESS willing to spend on public goods when in a culturally or racially diverse society
- when a white person is a minority in a mixed-race neighborhood, their interest in white-politics INCREASES, not decreases.

IOW, white people don't like diversity because we've tried it and it sucks.

da joos

...

Look up Bio Medical Ethics. It's complex but extremely interesting. More in depth branches to it. Combines science and philosophy.

When you do research on genetics as a Biologist and publish Philosophical papers on free will based off of your empirical scientific research...it's cool.