This thread is for the discussion of ideologies that are primarily concerned with returning the means of production to the ownership of the working class. This includes things like Marxism-Leninism, but also more esoteric ideas like Strasserism.
I'll be here to answer any questions you've got with my (limited) knowledge.
FAQ: >but didn't communism fail disastrously several times Depends on what you consider "fail" and what you consider "communism". I won't bother with the not-real-communism defence, but the USSR certainly didn't fail. It was a global superpower on par with the USA for decades, which is more than what most capitalist countries have ever achieved in their entire history, and turned Russia from a backwards shithole into an industrial and scientific leader. Most of the "communism has failed" rhetoric comes from false comparisons. People compare Cuba to the USA when they ought to compare it to Haiti, for example.
>but if we all get paid the same amount why would anyone do hard work No serious communists advocate equal pay for all, and this includes Marx himself.
>but you're going to steal all my shit Communism concers itself with redistribution of the means of production, not personal property. "Private property" refers to industry that is in private hands, not all property owned privately.
Communism is impossible without post scarcity and global communist government, so it's impossible.
True socialism can't last because it would require the elite ruling class to be naturally good, which people aren't, they will eventually abuse power, which would lead to open revolt.
True communism and socialism are not feasible in current society and won't be for 1000s of years.
Landon Diaz
fucking newcancer
Alexander Nguyen
breadlines the ideology
Jaxon Reed
True socialism can be possible if the people control the government. Capitalism also devolves into crony capitalism if the government isn't held in check by the citizens.
Bentley Howard
No thank you. I'll take the rule of the Elder Ones anytime.
Eli Morales
Gomunism is a pipe dream. Until we create some sort of godlike administrative AI, it will fail on national scale. The only way communism succeeds is in small communities like kibbutz.
Socialism, however, is easy to manage. I believe the best way to implement socialism in a capitalist system is to pay workers (that includes managers) with shares, and obligate them to hold a set amount of shares until they leave. That way, workers can be motivated to do their best and self-improve. The country itself can be redefined as a financial enterprise, with citizens as shareholders with unsellable shares. They would get dividends that depend on country's performance.
Anthony Rodriguez
Living in a former soviet republic, ama, commies.
Hunter Sanchez
Any potatoes yet?
Hudson Rodriguez
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Oliver Thomas
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Lincoln James
>muh not real communism Seems flag checks out. Gtfo, noone wants your shitty general
Caleb Cook
Speak for yourself, the left shall rise again. Also, if you want an echo chamber, why not go back to r/thedonald plebbitfag.
Logan Rodriguez
First thing I thought of
Brody Adams
No, it wont.
Benjamin Martin
>Starts communist thread >Gets invaded by fascists every time >Basically just a 2nd fascist thread where we make fun of communist and their 0% success rate
Fuck off Ruski nigger. Capitalism only devolves into cronyism when lefties like yoh campaign for more government intervention and give more power to the state. A genuine free market does not devolve into cronyism.
Nolan Taylor
>the USSR certainly didn't fail. It was a global superpower on par with the USA for decades
I am thoroughly convinced by The Gulag Archipelago. The USSR built it's false image on the back on peasants treated to conditions far worse than any suffered by serfs in cazrist times and a massive army of slave labor, constantly refreshed by waves of arrests.
Jonathan Stewart
No, a genuine free market devolves into a corporotocracy instead. What an improvement
Ryan Rivera
Communism is just as bad as Capitalism. Both are failing forms of government that seek to enslave man.
Joseph Carter
Lol fuck off.Stuff like that doesn't happen due to competition. Shit like corporatism only happens due to the massive government interventions you nigger.
Nolan Harris
Salazar's Portugal was successful, and the economies of the nordic countries today are pseudo-fascist.
More importantly, fascism had to be beaten through the maximum effort of every superpower on Earth and direct warfare, whereas communism just kind of keeps imploding in on itself after a few decades.
Connor Roberts
Thanks ayn.
Logan Scott
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Brody Flores
>Depends on what you consider "fail" and what you consider "communism". I won't bother with the not-real-communism defence, but the USSR certainly didn't fail. It was a global superpower on par with the USA for decades, which is more than what most capitalist countries have ever achieved in their entire history, and turned Russia from a backwards shithole into an industrial and scientific leader. Most of the "communism has failed" rhetoric comes from false comparisons. People compare Cuba to the USA when they ought to compare it to Haiti, for example.
Holy fucking shit. I wouldn't even know where to start.
Someone this dumb...are they even worth talking to?
You wouldn't walk into a special-ed class expecting to do advanced calculus. It wouldn't be fair.
Adam Gonzalez
Bourgeois Leftist scum bring in foreigners just to spite poor White people. Nothing but Capitalist exploiters in disguise.
This guy knew what to do to you fuckers.
Adrian Phillips
The reason why fascism was stirring up every power against it was inherent in its system.
Fascist economy is based mostly on loans, printing money and rallying the people behind some "national goal". Eventually your currency will inflate and you are forced to invade /exploit other countries. Hitler actually wanted to go to war in 1943 but decided to invade Poland in 1939 because of economic necessity.
So, fascist economy is bound to collapse unless it engages in constant warfare. And honestly, Salazar and Franco were successful because they exactly DIDN'T have a fascist economy but were part of global liberal capitalism. At least Communism has proven to sustain itself without warmongering or Third World exploitation. Maybe they didn't have 20 flavors of nachos, fair enough.
Kayden Rodriguez
>britain >a free market
Our system is dominated by old school tie, Eton and Harrow queers. Britain is a three ring circus. You might live in a free market, but they don't. The (((Free Market))) never existed. It's a fairy story the rich tell the poor.
Colton King
> 0% success rate > haha your shitty shit ha it too You're both useless retards.
William Ortiz
Marxism was invented by a jew. It exists for one purpose: to force equality for jews. Everything else
is extraneous to that key feature. The Communist Manifesto clearly and explicitly states that they
intend to achieve this by killing national elites, destroying the nation state and asset stripping the
economy. It benefits no one but jews. That's why communism is overwhelmingly a jewish movement. It is
the ideological expression of jewish consciousness, a reflex of the jewish survival instinct and the
ultimate revenge for 2,000 years of persecution by white Christians.
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Joseph Brown
>Fascist economy is based mostly on loans, printing money and rallying the people behind some "national goal". Eventually your currency will inflate and you are forced to invade /exploit other countries. Not really. Fascist economics just involve corporations working with the state, experts of their fields being elected, and "capitalism being directed to benefit the state" which can mean different things. Just because Franco and Salazar didn't loan and print money doesn't mean they weren't fascist, they just used their economy differently and avoided the pitfall that Germany fell into. Like I said earlier, the nordic economies are basically pseudo-fascist, and they've been stable for the past several decades.
Owen Scott
>Hey, let's set up a society of workers, soldiers, peasants and intellectuals
Bill, you can be the worker and manufacture all our goods
Jim, you can be the soldier and get your leg blown off fighting all our wars
Ted, you can be the peasant and supply all our food
and what will you do?
>Oh, I will be the intellectual and sit all day on my arse telling you all what to do
Some animals are more equal than others
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Dylan Smith
Communism will never be successful unless you eliminate all brown skinned peoples. t. Fact
Jace Morgan
let me guess
you want to be the intellectual sitting on his arse all day telling all the workers, peasants and soldiers what to do
>And honestly, was it really? I think it's pretty hard to argue that it wasn't when the USA at the time absolutely thought that it was and the entire basis of US foreign policy revolved around Soviet confrontation and containment.
People today are very dismissive of the USSR, but people who actually lived with it took it very seriously indeed.
Gavin Stewart
>Fascist economics just involve corporations working with the state, experts of their fields being elected I don't see how this is different from the kind of corporate capitalism we see today. How do you make sure the corporations are not the one controlling the state? What's your legitimation for being in a constant emergency state to justify authoritarian actions? What's the rule lf thumb on what the state can do and what not? How do you react to the inevitable economic crisis that are inherent to capitalism?
>Like I said earlier, the nordic economies are basically pseudo-fascist, and they've been stable for the past several decades. I don't disagree with you on this one. However, I have to say that Norway also had the advantage of having loads of oil.
John Flores
Pretty much. Nowadays i feel some kind of inexplicable nostalgia about old times when i was a kid. It feels that country i was ideologically superior.
>USSR was started and propped up by foreign interests and still cost millions of lives.
Justin Collins
>How do you make sure the corporations are not the one controlling the state? You keep money out of the government, no bribes, no fundraising, no sponsoring. >What's your legitimation for being in a constant emergency state to justify authoritarian actions? You don't need to constantly be in a state of emergency, and it's fine to give your people some freedoms. At the end of the day though, if the government decides that a certain book or show is harmful or degenerate, they can ban it. Not much different from today honestly, except we don't have to pretend that we're banning "hate speech". >What's the rule of thumb on what the state can do and what not? It can do most things, just about the only right there would be is the right to due process, but that doesn't mean that there wouldn't be additional freedoms, and there would be organizations in place to make sure the government isn't corrupt and follows the laws. >How do you react to the inevitable economic crisis that are inherent to capitalism? Depends on the nature of the crisis. Some solutions include lowering taxes and raising tariffs, or ordering the construction of new infrastructure, or instituting a retraining program to get the unemployed new jobs. You don't let the crisis go unchecked, but you also don't manually take control of everything, cause then you'll just wreck it all. >I don't disagree with you on this one. However, I have to say that Norway also had the advantage of having loads of oil. That's true, but they have quite responsibly been saving up money from the oil company tax for when the oil prices drop/oil runs out.
Nathan Nelson
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Juan Hughes
Russia went from shit tier to 'on par with USA' tier (they were actually significantly worse) because they literally trapped all their citizrens in the country and forced them to work for nothing. Slavery is what boosted the USSR economy.
Carter Cox
How long until these people get tired of being called fucking retards and they stop making these threads? I'm fucking amazed they think they can make Sup Forums leftist by posting this retarded shit.
Mason Morris
Sup Forums, and Sup Forums in general is a reaction to censorship, political correctness, and massive leftism in just about every show, news network, and online forum. Until the day the roles reverse, we'll never see a leftist Sup Forums.
Hudson Harris
Oi cunt I guarantee I have less shit than you, so you should give me some of your shit like a good communist so we're even.
Nathan Jones
kill yourself faggot
Jeremiah Martinez
Hello comrades
Bentley Nguyen
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Adam Williams
stay mad. We are allowed to have this thread because its a political board.
Aaron Bennett
comrades, what is /mlg/ opinion on stalinism?
Best form of communism? yes or no?
Michael Collins
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Brandon Harris
Do you want your board nuked /leftypol/?
Benjamin Johnson
>, which is more than what most capitalist countries have ever achieved in their entire history, You mean the US,which won at everything and beat the USSR? >and turned Russia from a backwards shithole into an industrial and scientific leader. You mistake statist authoritarianism with communism. Also,do you think Russia industrialized itself?With no help from outside?Are you 100% sure or have no read no history books and documents?
No,you can't go from agrarian republic to industrial powerhouse in a blip without outside help,since you had no experience,no tradition and had to start from scratch,which they didn't have time while preparing for war to spread internationalist communism (first form of globalism).
> redistribution of the means of production Why own something which you have not created,nor planned,nor bought? Just because your sweaty palms turned a wheel and a piece of bread came out means you own it?
Commnuism is the excuse to appropriate and steal other people's greatness and success.
Eli Turner
bump
Jaxson Carter
>I won't bother with the not-real-communism defence, but the USSR certainly didn't fail. It was a global superpower on par with the USA for decades, which is more than what most capitalist countries have ever achieved in their entire history, and turned Russia from a backwards shithole into an industrial and scientific leader.
Let's ignore those old photos of Yeltsin in the American supermarket, amazed at how prosperous and fortunate the country was compared to socialist Russia and assume that what you said was true. How do you consider the tens of millions of death attributable to socialism in Russia to not be a failure?
David Cooper
>He thinks. God like admin so will help
The bias of the creators of the will protrude in it's decisions. The AI is made by man,thus man is it own weakness
Ryder Thomas
/leftypol/ go away
Bentley Cooper
>ideologies that are primarily concerned with returning the means of production to the ownership of the working class You can already own tools that can produce things. If you make something and someone is willing to buy it, then congratulations you may have a business prospect.
