/left/ General - Seizing The Memes Of Production Edition

Greetings Comrades

This thread is for the discussion of left-wing political ideology, including, but not limited to, Marxism/Socialism/Communism/etc.

Resources:
theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm

marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

First for Black Army and Makhno.

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kys

GET THE FUCK OUT YOU COMMUNIST SCUM

What do you hope to accomplish by ushering in a communist revolution?
Do you want to work in a factory where you get beaten for not working that badly?

all you lil faggots mourning castro who would have executed you makes me laugh

stop cucknada shill

Stalin didn't attempt communism. He halted what Lenin started, and instead called his system of state capitalism "communism" to appease the people of Russia.

I don't want to call you a retard but it's the exact opposite. Lenin didn't step down as much as he fucking died, and he wanted Trotsky to take the leadership.

robots will work at factories mate

I actually support monarchy but I try to avoid mentioning it since it tends to derail threads in a way nothing else can.

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Fuck off nigger. There wont be any discussion because cuckmunnsm doesn't work and you're all a bunch of nigger, kike and rapefugee loving faggots

Kill your fucking self

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So you are a complete classcuck. Pic related, where you and your family of 12 would be living.

Trotskyist fag

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DELET THIS

Truth. No one has ever attempted communism or socialism. Socialism cannot fail, so any failed states are by definition not socialist states.

>t. r*ddit shill force

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>not rael gubbulism XD

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>Socialism cannot fail
Wrong, even Communism can fail. Just as Capitalist societies can turn Feudal/fascist.

And it would be fine. There will always be poor people.You can't get rid of that just like you can't get rid of hunger or diseases. Any system that suggests otherwise is just an impossible utopia.

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This meme again

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i've been here for about eight years
how long have most Sup Forums users been here

No there wouldn't be poor people as in starving/lack of medicine non-voluntarily etc. in a Socialist world - theoretically (and practically possible). We can sustain today's population.

Although it is upon deaf ears I feel I must try again Marxist fans.

Pure communism doesn't work, conceptually humans are unable to care for large clans effectively. No matter how well meaning the person sooner or later they will fall to a corrupting influence in the sense that despite all best intentions they will end up putting a particular clan first. They won't mean to but human sociology is not built to manage in pure communism.

This is why communism never works but socialist ideas in non socialist governments work well, people will inevitably try and make their loved ones lots better due to our nature and communism will fail as this will turn into corruption.

"Today's population" is growing.

Since /new/ became Sup Forums , newfag.

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>in a Socialist world
There is your problem. Impossible Utopia. For communism to succeed you have to erase human nature (Greed most importantly). Never in history has the whole world agreed on anything.

how long has that been
i remember /new/

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Look up statistics of malnutrition in the US. It's more than you think. Many more, and that is in a country where you produce more than enough (so much that probably most of the food are thrown away).

A socialist planned economy is simply more effective at redistributing.

The Soviets didn't enter the space race to compete just like the West did. It was more of a science project for science itself, and less used for propaganda than it was in the west.

Also the Soviets won the Space race by far :)

A failed theory that dies every 60-70 years because it never understands why it fails.

Death to Leftists Praise Kek

No you don't.

>pinko faggots from double chan realized how influential Sup Forums is, try to hijack it

I'm wise to you kikes

2011
Moot couldn't handle all NatSoc memes anymore.

Kill yourself

True, and too fast. If the shithole had just been industrialized with some 5-year plans... And there would not be hordes of Immigrants to Europe either.

"Human nature"

We are tribal. In a tribe if somebody is greedy, they are beaten with a stick.

>Never in history has the whole world agreed on anything.
Because of contradictions and differences between classes most of all.

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I love cuckoldry comrades

>In a tribe if somebody is greedy, they are beaten with a stick.
But if the guy starts gaining support and makes his own faction inside the tribe things get ugly.

Love blitzkrieging /leftypol/tards.

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We were talking about human nature. There would be greed, but it wouldn't be a bigger problem than it is under Capitalism.

If greedy people are unhappy under Communism, I don't care. Also I think many people act greedy because they have to or don't trust others not to be greedy.

>robots will work at factories mate
For the jews. While you starve to death

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Where are you gonna get those robots, mate?

The free market?

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Is this supposed to trigger anyone?

Yes, that was what the slaves who revolted worried about. Where were they going to get their weapons, their masters?

And those who opposed the french monarchy. Surely it would be wrong to take the stuff from the monarchy you're overthrowing.

Man, it's almost like revolutions tend to take the stuff from the previous system to reuse for themselves.

I find that last one funny. Reminds me of that gif of staling doing the thing with his extended fingers on his nose or whatever it's called in english.

So you're saying the only way your system can function is by stealing from whatever is there prior?

trigger you enough to respond.

But if you didn't know, since you are that newfag
It's called shitposting right.

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I'm saying that every system that was instituted by revolt started that way. If communism happens before robots, robots will have to be developed under communism obviously.

>b-but muh money incentive
Yes, I guess that's why the open-source movement dead.

Let me tell you, as somebody from a postcommunist country, what you are signing up for:
slave labor, crappy concrete cube commieblocks, month-long waits for a simple town doctor admission, queuing for the monthly ration of 200 grams of bread with your food tickets (the first 10 will get it, don't even dream of acquiring anything else), lack of every possible equipment in horribly overcrowded classrooms teaching nothing but propaganda, terror, oppression, internationalism, nepotism, corruption, cessation of the economy from which you will never, ever recover

The answer to 1984 is 1488

Good luck.

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Canada will become the 4th Reich once the people can no longer stand to have their gold stolen, their economy crashed, their people betrayed, and their daughters raped. The pendulum will swing back, and Trudaeu will hang from the maple trees, and Canada will rumble off to war. This will happen by 2018.

Commie shills GTFO back to your shitty website

Oh, and inb4 muh robots:
This is what was said for steam engines too. Post scarcity is not possible. Either there will be massive poverty and unemployment or simply the economy will expand due to increased productivity per worker. Or both in this exact order. Granted, you will stick with the first if you try communism

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>Trudaeu will hang from the maple trees
kek

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Back to r.eddit, filthy migrants

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Would you rather be a rabbit in a cage having everything you need for survival - but no freedom, or a free rabbit surrounded by foxes?

>slave labor
Is it any different now?

>crappy concrete cube commieblocks
Better than a small cabin in the woods, at least that's what they thought then (people were not prevented from living out in the districts in Soviet Russia at least) - people saw these commie blocks as an improvement.

>month-long waits for a simple town doctor admission
Over-bureaucratic, as the USSR didn't lack doctors (like we do in Norway today). At least people got medical treatment at all though.

>lack of every possible equipment
Better than no education at all.

Also things went to shit with Nikita Khrushchev, he didn't follow the doctrine of a nation's right to sovereignty.

>1488
January 8 – Royal Netherlands Navy is formed by decree of Maximillian of Austria.

Ah yes, the Dutch Navy, famous bane of commies everywhere

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is venezuela real socialism?

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Venezuela is a Capitalist country with state regulations.

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gb2 /leftypol/

/kikepuppetsgeneral/

>Is it any different now?
Yes, you are free to pursue a carreer or start an enterprise in whatever field you desire
>Better than a small cabin in the woods, at least that's what they thought then (people were not prevented from living out in the districts in Soviet Russia at least) - people saw these commie blocks as an improvement.
No, we didn't. They demolished far, far better old buildings for these shitholes
>Over-bureaucratic, as the USSR didn't lack doctors (like we do in Norway today). At least people got medical treatment at all though.
They did. And honestly, it was NOT better than nothing. We still suffer because of it
>Better than no education at all.
And worse than any education up unto that point
>Also things went to shit with Nikita Khrushchev, he didn't follow the doctrine of a nation's right to sovereignty.
In accordance to the internationalist cancer that is communism. National sovereignty is nationalism

All lands were taken from the peasants and taken into state property. The peasants were forced to work the fields by force-the produce was taken by the state and starvation ensued.

>Better than no education at all.
Maybe it's just me, but I think I would prefer educating my own children rather than them being told to report me to the thought police for potential wrongthinl.

Your pathetic attempt by alt-left redditards to infiltrate Sup Forums was leaked immediately.

You will find no ground here, only ridicule and humiliation.

Lenin was communism's last hope.... and they killed him

Who fixes a robot when it inevitably breaks?

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trained technicians