Why is it such a crime to want free healthcare and free education for everyone?

Why is it such a crime to want free healthcare and free education for everyone?

who owns the land the money trees are grown on?

Define "free", healthcare and education is "free" here but technically it's funded by taxpayers' money.

the government pays for it. Every other western country has a functional healthcare system. Are you guys too retarded to have it or something?

because I don't want to be taxed and want to be left alone.

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>free

Wow, you're pretty dumb. Even for a Swede. The government receives its money from the tax payers.

Yeah and the government gets money from taxpayers. It's not really free you're still paying for it, it's "free" if you're a student receving all that wihtout paying taxes. Supporting students is nice and all but generally out of 150 students who start a degree 40 finish it. So you're paying for 110 people's education going down the drain. Although our current system recently started cracking down on that basically demanding the tuition fee back if you don't finish, but it's free if you finish it.
Either way it's about the idea of people earning their worth instead of having to pay money for other random people.

Because people don't to be taxed every nickle and dime

no such thing as free
the people in charge of the administration tend to be marxists
marxists seek to social engineer and recreate society in a way which is easier for them to maintain and grow their power


if you cannot afford healthcare, then you are just a drain on society anyways and your dying makes the nation stronger.

there is more incentive to control your finances and strive to improve yourself. rewarding a lazy bum with free shit doesn't make them any less lazy or any less of a bum.

So? Wowzer we pay 20% more in taxes and we can all enjoy the privilege of having healthcare whenever we need it and not having your life ruined by student debt. The fact that you don't have that is just pathetic 2bh.

get in here bros

Or you don't force people to pay for healthcare or education they don't want and have everyone pay for their doctors and education with that 20% that they now keep.
Both systems have pros and cons but you acting like it's the only reasonable way is just autistic.

because nothing in life is free

Can't we introduce a maximum wage into every country situated around 30 mil $

Nothing in life is truly free dumbass.

Free healthcare and Free education, hell even Universal Basic Income aren´t inherently bad ideas.

It´s the way they are proposed to be implemented and the implications they carry that are fucking retarded and will have consequences in both social and economic structure.

It´s why we have social welfare parasites and leeches, idiot college hipsters with a degree in ¨liberal arts¨ despite there being no fucking market for it and in thousands of student debt, so on so forth.

Free doesn't actually mean free you stupid fucking swede. Someone ( or in this case someones) has to pay for it. The American taxpayer has to pay for all of that stupid shit. Just ask any redpilled Canadian trying to make ends meet about how paying out of the fucking ass for damn near everything is so awesome just because a bunch of histrionic fucks get to go to the hospital whenever they feel like it

Also student debt is only a problem for people who do shitty gender study degrees, people who do actually useful degrees don't have a problem because they get a job and pay their debt back.
So pretty much don't make shit decisions in life and your life won't be shitty.

why should I pay to improve my competition?

Not true. Finishing school and being 500.000 dollars in debt is fucking hard unless you studied to become a doctor or something. It's gonna take like at least 10 years to pay that off, and with that you still have to pay for a house/apartment car and rent and stuff. If you don't find a job you're basically fucked and what are you gonna do? Take another loan and be in more debt? There's students that has killed themselves when they realize they'll never be able to pay off the student debt and if you're on the street you're fucked in america. In Sweden at least they'll take care of you

But Musk isn't from Uk

>Free

Technically nobody

>the government pays for it
And where the government gets its money from?

>doesn't want to be taxed

>expects to be left alone

Exactly how's that gonna work out

>the government pays for it.

Jesus Christ, you cucks are so deluded.

>We have 20% more of our money stolen to pay for refugee gibs
FTFY

But it's not like Americans don't have to pay taxes and we're all running around rich as hell until a medical bill or college tuition comes up. We end up getting taxed for stuff we don't even use, like federal prisons and stealth destroyers that break in the Panama Canal.

You mean 50.000 because that's a reasonable amount of student loan. 500.000 isn't unless you're studying for 10 times as much as you should. And yes if you're an engineer or any skilled person you can earn that much in the united states or the united kingdom because get this you don't have to pay shitloads of taxes.
People kill themselves over stupid shit all the time, especially the stupid people who stupid decisions. If not for their shit decisons about education then 2 months later they'll kill themselves for not finding chilly lime chips in the store.

going beyond the already thoroughly explained "nothing is free":
competition breeds innovation, and when we all have the same government controlled education and the same government controlled healthcare, there is no competition
the costs would be lower and the services would be greater if left to the free market

and before you say that failed in america, it hasn't been tried
healthcare/insurance industry in america is not even close to free market
our regulations are anticompetitive

It's not your money, it's the central bank's money, it's loaned to your country at interest

> functional
> takes months to get a surgery done

You stupid fucks will pay for banker bailouts while they gamble with your pensions though... then she there like cucked pussies when not one of them gets jailed.

>Are you guys too retarded to have it or something?

We live next to a couple of countries that have it. One has not but a fuck a day to give, so instead of waiting for weeks or months they come down here for faster treatment, and one of the others is as sanitary as a buffet restaurants restroom floor.

But hey, at least it's free right guys?

Because I don't fucking feel like paying 70% of my income so that poor people can have insurance.

it's utopia

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Its not a crime, to want it, It's just a fake "free" that you pay elsewhere.

Of course you gonna pay taxes for infrastructure and the army, if you have a problem with that then go be a "sovereign citizen" and live in a desert. That's just called civilisation, the idea of healthcare and education being tax funded is an entirely different case.

Stop being retarded. The average student loan is $37k. The fact is, the government is responsible for driving up prices by guaranteeing loans.

cause there is no profit in it

Do you expect them to lay down and die from preventable diseases?

Nah bitch, they'll come for your ass

We don't use taxes for social programs because it's a nice thing

It's self preservation from violent revolt

and I worked for that loaned money, making it my loaned money
fuck off

This system only works when you have enough people putting into the system. Perhaps in Sweden you can gracefully put into the system with the reassurance that you will get something back in the end. In the US, there are too many people leeching off the system without putting anything into it.

Because I am not paying for some dumbass slut of a single mother to get a fucking degree in native fucking basket weaving. That's why.

Incorrect. Still the central bank's currency.

Without it you'd be bartering, you fucking arrogant dipshit

Nah I just wanna pay for big Corp bailouts . Helping society as a whole and your fellow man is for cucks.

you do understand that you pay so much because company's pay so little

Why pay for the poor? Betterment of society?

How about fck society?

Does that trigger your white almonds?

>fuck society

>Austria

THE IRONY

>i've never heard of a private charity ever

It isn't, but Bernie is controlled opposition.

every time that gif fades to the Swedish flag I lose my shit laughing

Sweden is filled with leeches too, they can just make ends meet because of the kike money they made by selling american guns to the nazis. But in the next decade or so that'll run dry too and they'll drown in the nigger shitholes they created.

Oh please

Peasants are very easy to control with the right message and enough force. We dont live in the middle ages anymore. A Peasant revolt today would do nothing more than become bombing practice for F35 pilots.

Half the country will cheer, the other half will suddenly shut the fuck up for fear they are next. We have been controlling the population of minorities for decades with abortion and free birth control to medicaid recipients. Does anyone care? Hell no, its free. We are talking about people so stupid they accept their own population control because it is free. See, message and force win the day every time

It ain't free friendo.

>we only have to pay another fifth of our income to get something for free that we could buy for 5% of our income!

The system will crash when merkel invites more wellfare mudslimes.

Again, my point stands. Why the fck should i care that people have no money to pay for health or food?

Withput welfare, no migrants would come to Europe.

Americans can't afford it since way too much taxpayer money goes to funding/fighting terror groups and maintaining numerous military bases worldwide with tons of combat-ready troops

This ex planes Trump so perfectly.

You're forcing individual A to pay for services for individual B.

Take Canada for example. 40% of my income goes to tax. I am in good health, and maintain it as such. I work hard and have always been employed. I haven't needed medical care in a long, long time. Prairie niggers chugs who smoke and drink all day and are unemployed, who will drink and smoke themselves into various medical conditions such as diabetes and cancer will require thousands upon thousands of dollars of medical care.

My money (thus my time and labour) is being taken from me and given to them. What do I recieve back? Do they not have obligations to me if I have obligations to them?

Socialism is slavery.

I'm sure you'll understand why by 2030.

Your country will always be shit if you have the top elite living the good life and then the rest and majority of your society living like garbage. In america everyone is living pretty trash-tier but the big corps and real estate owners are carrying America on its back. Just look at South Africa, you got the corrupt nigglets and the whites and then you have a flood of poor dindus that'll never contribute to anything unless they can have their basic education and healthcare. It's better if the lowest of class at least can survive and make basic income instead of the wealthier living a little richer and the lowest of class living on the streets.

You're psychotic if you think a country bombing its own citizens would result in anything more than the equivalent of kicking a hornets nest, seek help

Because, as Europe has shown, shitskins who refuse to work are a huge drain on the welfare state.
Furthermore, America already has massive debts, and can't afford to add more to that pile.

Gated communities. The rich dont give a fck that you cant walk after 18:00 and get raped by achmeds

Its that simple.

>russia talking about terrorist groups and warmongering

>muh communism

inb4 "we're not commies!"
> The largest public healthcare system in the world is in the US. It's called the Department of Veteran's Affairs.
MFW the US already has the largest socialized medical system on the planet.
> People with private healthcare in the US pay more for worse outcomes.
Get a grip US - move to single payer like the rest of the civilized world.

its not a crime, unless you consider the government stealing all your money through bloated taxes a crime

also once the government finances education theres nothing stopping them from turning colleges into propaganda/indoctrination camps

Cuz they're gonna rob you, dip

Read up on the French Revolution

Who is going to pay this "free" stuff you talk about?

what if I dont want higher education

it is when you're extending the lives of savages.

>implying the government should take care of you
Hans, your cuckshed is empty

It isn't.
It also isn't to disagree with perceives repercussions.

What is wrong with bartering, faggot? Are you scared that in an economy based on value exchange you would starve because all you know how to do is sit in an office and push paper for some shit corporation whose business model is entirely based on collecting hidden fees for worthless services?

The education standards in Sweden have really hit an all time low.

>functioning healthcare system

Like yours? Where a government agency decides for you what kind and amount of medical care you need? And prevents you from getting the medicine or procedure you want if you don't qualify? You can't even pay out of pocket in Sweden if the government won't cover it. You have to go to another country and receive care there.

Stop posting on here. You're making a fool of yourself.

The point is in America we pay for so much army that we pay the same taxes as other real countries but the only people who get any benefit from it are the Jews at Lockheed or Northrop. I'd rather have an army the size of Hungary's and not have to get Jewed every time I go see Dr Steinman for a checkup

and we don't even get any infrastructure for the taxes either. every goddamned bridge in this country is falling apart

No one is entitled to anything

You sure showed those Marxist revolutionaries in the (Republican) Congress and the White House. You're the true savior of our holy god given white master race from the hordes of nigger shitskins with 20 kids taking up all our welfare money. Great job.

The funny thing tho is that some of you are paying more to obongocare than we tho and you get an even more shittier healthcare. It's laughable

Swedish in general are in an illusion that there's an endless amount of money floating in the sky for them. Protip there isn't, they're wasting all their reserves like a kid got a 20$ bill from his grandpa and treated every other kid to the candy store. Only to realise shortly that he wasted all the money he had.

it's not, there's just memers here that forget that most Westernized nations can handle it but the US is too stupid too...despite the fact that public universities were free or pretty damn close to it in the middle part of the 20th century that they romanticize.

Thats what Assad and thought too and kim jong un thinks.

Aint working for them.

Never underestimate the power of a group of people. Fck, i would donate money so that people would kill the rich in the us, so that i can profit.

Crowdsourcing a war can be fun.

You argue like an idiot, you don't really even deserve a response but here you go

In a barter economy, the only people who can succeed are those who aggressively control food, water, and raw materials.

You're pretty much dooming I dunno like 85% of people if not more to starvation or slavery

You're not well

You faggots use us for your defense
Wait until Trump starts making you faggots pay your share and see how much "free" stuff dries up

Life expectancy statistics don't lie. There's no massive horde of welfare queens filling up health clinics while working Canadians are dirt poor.

Your healthcare is trash dude. And our education standards are still better than americas, that basically force dindus to the nearest school and the school don't have to do shit to improve themselves since there is no competition. They still will get the money. Besides we can use Finland that has the same welfare system like us, and they top the education standards. What's your excuse there?

Nice meme.

>Free
It's not free. The real estate is still paid for, the materials are still paid for, the teachers are still paid. It comes out of your taxes.

The only thing "free" education does it make you pay for it even if you don't want to go to college. If you want to be a blacksmith or a plumber or carpenter now you'll be charged for 4 years of college via your lifelong share of increased taxes and not even benefit from it. It forces everyone to pay, but it doesn't benefit everyone.

Without a central bank we'd be used Banknotes issued by a normal bank, dumbass.

Your country's economy is based on blood money though, if you think the army isn't making up the bulk of your economy then you're just delusional.
Then get a degree in engineering and work in infrastructure, crying about it won't help improving it.

>le cuck meme

thats communism and the world doesnt want that

Honestly, every decent American I've known throughout my entire life and the whole country itself has expressed desire often for both

The only ones who argue otherwise are the stereotypical brainwashed American voters who are fully convinced that we have nocapabilities of affording at least free health care and maybe free college at the current rate we're being taxed at.

All we'd have to do is take a nice chunk out of military spending which is over a third of what our taxes are spent on (and is more than 10 countries combined) OR increase the tax on any of the ultra rich

IMHO it's a national embarrassment that we havent had free health care yet. I'm sure most Americans would agree

But nah, more gibsmedat to "our greatest ally" good goy Israel instead

Which would have to compete with other banks doing that you fucking moron

You wanna live in one country with 77 competing currencies and the exchangers taking a percentage off the top every time they change your money?

That really what you fucking want?