>mfw I recently found out stormfags are trying to shill their own holohoax saying Eisnehower had death camps for Germans that killed 6 gorillion innocent Germans
lol are you guys serious? Did you really just watch the Greatest Meme Never Told as your one and only source for "history"?
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how is a POW camp a death camp that killed millions user?
Looks a little big for a POW camp.
>its big so its a death camp
This doesnt make any sense user. How is a POW camp, something that is pretty common in war, a death camp that killed millions?
well the muricans got mad and decided to play a prank on germans by starving somewhere around 1mil. of POW's on purpose idk anything about the civilians though
Who cares about any of this? Genocide, force expulsion, war, etc. are all long standing parts of human history. If a few million kikes got gassed it is just another drop in the bucket.
Why is it more important than 4+ million Ukrainians starved to death by Jewish Bolsheviks? Or the 1+ million Armenians killed by Turks? Or the hundreds of thousands of Assyrian Christians genocides by Kurds? How about the million killed pol pot or the tens of millions that Mao was responsible for?
>you shouldnt care about genocide because it happens
this doesnt make any sense user.
>well the muricans got mad and decided to play a prank on germans by starving somewhere around 1mil
There were 1 million prisoners in that camp, are you trying to imply every single one of them died there?
Tell me why I should care about one genocide in particular. Tell me why the Holocaust and no other warrants tax payer funded museums, entire units in school, etc.
I am skeptical of this but I buy it more than any of the shit from the holohoax
If you hate jews and dont want to have any sort of sympathy for them, thats fine. Im just saying your logic doesnt really make sense. "Im not going to care about genocide because genocide happens" is dumb.
Also, Im talking about the allegations that Eisenhower committed a genocide that neo-nazi put forth. I find it hypocritical since they out right refuse that the nazi government committed genocide despite all the evidence, yet spout the Einsenhower genocide without question even though theres next to no proof for it. Simply because it helps their narrative.
>in that camp
im not talking about a particular camp but pows in general also there were somewhere around 2mil of them in west europe
What if he did? What difference would it make? History isn't some balance scale of right and wrong.
What good does caring about dead jews, Germans, etc. do now? They have been dead for 70+ years. Is there some lesson to be learned here? The only one I can see is that one should not mistake an armistice for a lasting peace and that it would behoove anyone from Jewish radicals to German nationalists to not overplay their hands. These are hardly unique lessons.
I again ask you to provide me with good reason why any one genocide matters. The lesson from all is the same and no amount of "awareness" will change the lengths that people will go to when they feel threatened or betrayed.
It was a prison complex at the end of the war that held ~1million german soldiers. Due to the vast amount of prisoners+the fact that a world war had just happened, the camps were in horrible conditions and there was a lack of supplies and food.
US records said 3000 died, while German records say it was 4000. There was a historian named Rudolph Rummel who said up to 6,000 had died.
Then there was a book written called Other Loses that said 1million, which is the entire population of the camp btw, died. The book was torn apart by other historians like Stephan Ambrose and Simon Mackenzi
> "That German prisoners were treated very badly in the months immediately after the war […] is beyond dispute. All in all, however, Bacque's thesis and mortality figures cannot be taken as accurate".-Encyclopedia of Prisoners of War and Internment
tl;dr-theres no evidence that Eisnehower ran a death camp and/or committed genocide and this lie is pushed by neo-nazi because it fits their narrative
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To be fair, the 6 million is not the death camp total. That is all Jews killed in all ways over the entire time the Nazis were in power. Most of them are alleged to have been killed in the last few years, but not all.
>Literally moving the goalpost
I already covered all of that here
You dont have an argument and are resorting to shitposting
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>moving the goalpost
you cant just shitpost because you lost the argument user.
>uses the term holohoax
>use redpill folder
>stehp mehving de goalperst :'(
Because it was just a field and they didn't feed them. That is how you would actually make a death camp if you wanted to kill millions.
Americans are the real scum of the world, killed millions of blondes that could have had offspring whom I would be enriching right now in Germany with my bbc.
Fucking americans
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None of this makes any sense user. Throwing an hissy fit like a spoiled child doesnt help your case at all
>Eisnehower had death camps for Germans that killed 6 gorillion innocent Germans
>Implying he didnt
gtfo with your jew propaganda, ynakee kike
PAY WAR CRIME REPARATIONS NOW
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Holocaust threads on this board always follow the same format
>one guy posts an outlandish claim by jewish survivors like holocoaster as proof it was all one big lie
>"where are the bones?" shitposters
>"it was all allied bombing and typhus" posters
>that one douche that keeps incessantly spamming mspaint infographs he found on stormfront
>couple guys call you a jew and tell you to get gassed
>MAYBE once in a blue moon two or so people try to debate
There is no rational discussion about anything that happened in WWII here related to Jews or Nazis. You're better off going to /his/. Even though they are insufferable pseudo-intellectual libs there, they are much better than flat out historical revisionists on this board. It's actually something of a meme when people discuss the holocaust over there and some autist from here shits it up with crackpot theories, truly this place is a containment board.
>NONE OF THIS MAKES SENSE
>STOP THROWING A HISSY FIT
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I was talking about the accusations of Eisnehowers death camps and when the stormfag lost the argument, he just stated shitposting instead lol
Neat post, but I think you got lost while looking for Reddit.
Nobody says they were "death camps".
They just treated the Germans like crap and kept them out in the open, exposed to the weather. It's not that the treatment was that bad or surprising given the circumstances, but it contradicts the narrative of moral superiority and compassion. US soldiers took home the skulls of killed Japanese soldiers as trophies. This was not some crusade against evil, just another geopolitical struggle. That's my take anyway
Holy shit you unironically believe that Eisenhower had death camps that killed millions of Germans?
I wish I could leave this place
Dubbs of truth.
Stormfags and their propaganda piss me off.
>Nobody says they were "death camps".
yes, stormfags do apparently
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It's literally a fact that German POWs were kept in tightly-confined open-air camps and given little food.
They weren't exterminated or anything, and I'm fairly sure Russian gulags were worse (only 5,000 of the 90,000-100,000 captured at Stalingrad lived to see Germany again)
>It's literally a fact that German POWs were kept in tightly-confined open-air camps and given little food.
I never said this didnt happen
>They weren't exterminated or anything
exactly, meaning it wasnt a death camp or genocide
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>meaning it wasnt a death camp
So do Jewish deaths that resulted from camp conditions not count as death camp deaths?
We all know Auschwitz and all other so-called death camps were actually labor camps using Jewish slave labor to support the German war machine.
No because there was a deliberate attempt by the government to actively kill them. Why else would they sign off on things like Aktion T4 and Aktion 14f13?
that explains why there werent any laws allowing to kill jews
By not taking care of your POW's, a POW camp quickly becomes a camp of death.
Stop playing stupid.
>Aktion T4
Literally disabled and old people and not Jews. It was also relatively short lived because people didn't like it.
They did take care of them as best they could though. The allegations that 1 million died or based on ONE (1) book that other historians said was completely inaccurate.
Also, by stormfags own logic, it wasnt a death camp.
>as best they could
No really. I'm not really disagreeing with you that stormfags have blown this out of proportion, but don't delude yourself. They were POWs. No one really much cared how they were treated.
Yeah, but it was an action by the nazi government to kill off "undesirables" which shows that they did indeed do that, despite what neo-nazis claim.
and action 14f13 was a campaign headed by the same guy who did T4 to kill off prisoners too weak or sick to work, which shows that they did indeed kill off people in the camps and it wasnt just people dying from exposure.
By your logic then, a death camp could just as easily have been a labour camp.
Where is Prussia today? Where are the Prussian people? I hate to tell you this, but it's true. The ethnic cleansing of those people is an open secret and the information is freely available.
The original plan for Post War Germany was to reduce it to a "pastoral economy" with only light industry to support that.
The plan was scrapped when West Germany was needed to be used as a bulwark against the Soviet Union... But the Soviets looted East German industry to rebuild at home and they destroyed, with the approval of the West and the United Nations.
Sure, but that alone doesn't disprove the idea that they were labor camps. What else are you going to do with slave labor that can't pull it's own weight? The numbers killed are only in the very low ten thousands.
I don't give a fuck anymore. Humans have killed other humans since the dawn of times. Trying to keep accounts is futile.
A death camp is a place you send people with the specific purpose of killing them.
Eisenhowers POW camps werent this because there was literally no policy even talked about of killing off all of those prisoners, and in action there wasnt anything close to that.
a labour camp is where you send people to do what amounts to slave labour and the Eisenhower camps werent that either.
His camps were just POW camps that had horrible conditions due to the vast amount of prisoners and the lack of supplies due to the war being put on. Trying to equate these to the Nazi Camps doesnt work since the German government at the time had specifically laws and policies about actively killing people in their camps
Pretty sure this is bait but: Prussia became Germany under Kaiser Wilhelm by way of Bismarck's political maneuvering you dumbfuck.
Between 500,000 to 3 million German civilians died during the post war expulsion... This doesn't even count the evacuation of 1944.
By any modern sensibility, by the definition, it's genocide... Or at the very least, ethnic cleansing.
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>Kill off, enslave, or conscript Poles and other Eastern Europeans for five years
>Cry when they do it back to you on a smaller scale
Really makes you fucking think...
>that had horrible conditions due to the vast amount of prisoners and the lack of supplies due to the war being put on
by this logic Jews could have been dying in the internment camps because Germany was losing the war
I never said they werent labour camps. The problem is killing people for being too weak to work is a war crime. This also doesnt factor in the gas chambers, which most people dont seem to understand the purpose was.
You bring in a new trainload of prisoners to the camp, you separate them into men and women. from there, you judge these groups on their ability to work. If they are too young, or old, or obviously crippled ect, you just kill them off right there. All the other ones are sent to work. If those get too sick to work, you kill them off to. And this doesnt even factor in all the ones that died of starvation or illness because of the conditions of the camps.
thats what the holocaust was. All the soap and lampshade stuff is retarded bullshit though
>a labour camp is where you send people to do what amounts to slave labour
So then we can agree that Action T4f13 doesn't make the camps death camps as it was not the primary purpose of the camps.
Aktion T4 was related to the removal of the disabled and mentally ill and other parasites from society.
Jews were being used as labor to support Germany's war machine and economy, exterminating them right in the middle of the war wouldn't make sense. Especially since at one point they were trying to deport Jews to Palestine and Madagascar before the war really kicked off, not kill them.
I know, that was my point. naziboos say this all the time and claim this doesnt count as a genocide, but when it happens to germans, it suddenly is a genocide
I didnt say 14f13 makes it a death camp, I used that to showcase that the nazi government had a policy of actively killing off their prisoners.
The US government had no policy like that.
But one was deliberate and one wasn't, both sides were not losing, only one side has that excuse.
Prussia was a part of Germany, but a distinct cultural region that was believed to, and demonstrated, have created the finest military minds of the era.
And they were destroyed as a people. Take a look at a map of Germany. Maybe take some effort to actually develop some sort of a baseline knowledge of the country... Then you might be able to form a coherent thought on the subject.
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Take a look at this map and compare it to modern Germany.
>war crime
So was firebombing Dresden. War crimes aren't real things. They are fabrications used by winners to punish losers.
I am not a Nazi apologist. I have no doubt they killed lots of Jews, Slavs, and others. I don't care what the "correct" number is. I am just tired of people obsessing over who did what. Nazis killed people, Americans killed people, commies killed people, and Jews killed people. We are still killing people today (well, except for the Nazis I guess).
Butthurt over dead German POWs is disingenuous as is but they over dead Jews. No one actually cares. It is all a tool to advance an agenda. Everyone wants to be the victim when the truth is they all brought it upon themselves. Jews tried to launch a commie revolution that would have ended in the mass murder of million as it did in Russia and Nazis invaded everyone around them and killed tons of people. No one is innocent or righteous in any of this.
If we lost the war, you could bet your ass we'd be generationally guilty of genociding our Japanese citizens in death camps.
>You can get arrested and sentenced years for denying the holohoax in some countries
>Bunch of lies about Our Beloved Adolf, "Muh lampshades and soap", "muh blue eyed and blonde race", "he hated all kikes", etc...
>People are literally forcing you to eat all that bullcrap about Adolf and the third reich
Jesus fucking christ, ive debunked the holohoax so many times for a lot of people, ive convinced about 20 people. But a lot of people refuses, and they are usually the dumb ones.
Holocaust on jews never happened, but a holocaust on mankind is happening, and jews are responsible for this.
ALL races and religions need to unite against international jewry
>Declare war on your neighbors twice
>Lose twice
>Be surprised when you lose territory as punishment
Wow... That really activates my fucking almonds.
Germany should really be happy they haven't been annexed yet and were let off with just some territorial losses.
>ALL races and religions need to unite against international jewry
Hitler didn't think this way
He was more concerned with killing off innocent slavs and taking their land
National Socialism by itself is a good ideology if you leave out the expansionism and MUH ARRYAN MASSA RACE. Hitler was an idiot who fucked everything up and killed other Europeans.
National Socialism is the best ideology in the world.
And have you ever tried to think for yourself and not let neo-Sup Forums or reddit control you?
Hitler never hated slavs, he didnt fuck up anything. The international jews declared war on Germany and the german people. And hitler never wanted war with ANYONE. One of the few reasons hitler came to Poland is because Poland and the leader there hated the germans who lived in Poland. And they slaughtered them.
You haven't tried to counter any of the following, and you continue to tell people they have no argument when they are making these perfectly debatable claims.
>6 million number reported in reference to Jews multiple times prior to the end of WW2 in America's newspaper of record, despite lacking evidence of the claims.
>Legitimate claim of typhus outbreak and how evidence regarding it was possibly used during and after the war as anti-German propaganda.
>Legitimate skepticism as to whether the numbers reportedly offed during the Holocaust in Nazi camps are indeed plausible at all.
>Questionable policy of actually legislating any debate on historical evidence, legislation pushed by primarily Jewish groups.
I think it's you who have no argument. And I've never been a Holocaust "denier" but seeing you flail around desperately trying to maintain posture while really not bringing any evidence forward whatsoever really has me thinking...
You are so close to knowing the truth about holohoax and adolf.
You will be a holocaust denier and a natsoc within a year, i guarantee you :)
Because it was recent and therefore a relevant threat
>hitler never wanted war with ANYONE
What he says in Mein Kampf says otherwise. He wanted to secure and empire for the German people to "sure their daily bread." He laments the inability of Germany to secure resources through offshore colonies and says that "internal colonization" is not practical long term for them and so they nee to secure Lebensraum.
>And have you ever tried to think for yourself and not let neo-Sup Forums or reddit control you?
Not an argument.
>Hitler never hated slavs
His country's treatment of them says otherwise. Also see Generalplan Ost.
>The international jews declared war on Germany and the german people.
Oh wow! Every single Jew in the world apparently declared war on Germany because this one newspaper article says so! Rev up the gas chambers!
>And hitler never wanted war with ANYONE.
Yet he goes ahead and violates the treaty of Versailles, annexes Austria and Czechoslovakia, intimidates Lithuania into giving him Memel, and violently invades Poland after claiming that Czechoslovakia would be the end of his territorial ambitions... HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
>One of the few reasons hitler came to Poland is because Poland and the leader there hated the germans who lived in Poland. And they slaughtered them.
There is no evidence of any Polish government supported atrocities against Germans in Poland.
There is, however, a plethora of evidence supporting German atrocities against Poles after 1939.
If Hitler actually cared about the people allegedly being slaughtered by Poles, he would've offered all the Germans living in Poland a ticket home, not fucking started a false flag attack by Poland on Germany and then violently invading Poland, costing the lives of thousands of Poles AND Germans.
Stop being a retarded Hitler-worshiping cunt.
This.
>Relevant threat
>From a power that was completely obliterated in a world war, shamed and scapegoated for over 70 years, and is currently having a train run on them by third world Muslims.
Try again.
>rational discussion about lies
he did lol
>Generalplan Ost
>NO DOCUMENTS
>NO PROOFS
Also nazis shit in your pants when you take a poo
>gas chambers
This thread isn't a referendum on Hitler's actions before or during the war, other than his direct involvement, planning and execution of, and trail of evidence proving the actuality of the Holocaust and systematic executions. One side has presented a plethora of evidence and you keep deflecting to the issue of military action of wartime Germany.
Literally not an argument because it's completely off-topic.
Show me where I mentioned gas chambers in my post, please.
>>NO PROOFS
Read Mein Kampf
Ok, your opinion makes a whole lot more sense now, considering the source.
just for you - moving pictures of cruelity
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>I don't have an argument: better post a gif!
I'm waiting.
Where did I mention gas chambers in my post?
I personally don't believe in the idea of genocidal gas chambers.
Is this your post? Because if this is your post, then you must have a very short term memory. Also read the OP again, this thread is literally about genocidal extermination during the second world war.
And stop saying "not an argument" as a fallback when there are clear arguments being made and asserted with substantiating evidence.
And to be fair, those 6 millions were not all Jews. It's the total death count of the camps, including 2 million Jews.
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>better rev up the gaschambers!
that was a joke, which would be obvious to anyone with a brain.
You didn't read the whole post. He just literally said that count is not of the deaths that occurred in so-called "death camps", it merely includes that number as a minority in the total.
Even when limiting things to what is being claimed, deniers are still wrong. And hell, I've never seen them mention the other 6 million killed in the Holocaust either.
Funny, Eisenhower predicted that idiots like this would exist even while he was putting a stop to it.
It's also the only relevant topic you chose to include in your post, which is why I pointed it out. This would also be totally obvious to anyone with a brain, even a very small one.