/left/ General - Get Back To Work Edition

Greetings Comrades

This thread is for the discussion of any and all left-wing political ideology, including, but not limited to, Marxism/Socialism/Communism/Anarchism/Syndicalism/etc.

>Socialism is an economic and social system defined by social ownership of the means of production. (Workers democratically own and operate the places in which they work, as opposed to private power aka capitalism)

>The means of production are non-human inputs the create economic value, such as factories, workplaces, industrial machinery, etc. Socialists refer to the means of production as capital, or private property. Private property in the socialist context shouldn't be confused with personal property, such as your home, car, computer, and other possessions.

>In a capitalist society the means of production are owned and controlled privately, by those that can afford them (the capitalist aka those with capital). Production is carried out to benefit the capitalist (production for profit). Workers are paid a wage, and receive that amount regardless of how much value they produce.

>Communism is the highest developed stage of socialism wherein there is no state, no money, no class system. The means of production are owned by all and provide for everyone's needs.

Resources:

ABC's of Socialism: s3.jacobinmag.com/issues/jacobin-abcs.pdf

Introduction to Marxism by Professor Richard D. Wolff: youtube.com/watch?v=T9Whccunka4

Selections of Left-wing Literature:
Anarchist:
theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread

Libertarian:
Mikhail Bakunin - God and the State (short read)
Thomas Paine - Agrarian Justice
Noam Chomsky - Notes on Anarchism
Anton Pannekoek - Worker's Councils

Marxist-Leninist:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/

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neck yourself commie fag

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> leaf

Trudeau pls go cry about Castro.

Saved.

Fuck communists, socialists, and /leftypol/yps

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All Socialists are Commies.

All leftists must and will be put into mass graves and be fire upon or buried alive.

Mods still haven't banned this faggot yet?

>b-but MY identity is the true one
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Why should we become communists?

It removes all human desire to strive for things in life.

In a capitalist society men will strive and improve themselves for monetary gain.

In a Fascist society men strive to improve themselves and their nation for the enhancement of their race.

What do men strive for in a Communist society?

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Why do you communists always fall back on the No True Scotsman defense?

Serious question here

I'm going to read chapter 2 of the cummy manifesto and post passages I find interesting. Please be patient and don't spam this thread.

keep up the good work Sup Forums

Don't become shit. Just don't be retarded.

And what if I'm up class?

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How does /lefty/ feel about PAEP, a group of anarchists, communists, and socialists from all walks of life.

>Yfw this is the pinnacle of the left

youtube.com/watch?v=wn6XRu8Ymro

>Yfw they have 9000 MEMBERS

PAEP is 8 times the size of /lefty/ and their memes are 3 times a cringely

>Marx was ancestrally Jewish; his maternal grandfather was a Dutch rabbi, while his paternal line had supplied Trier's rabbis since 1723, a role taken by his grandfather Meier Halevi Marx.
>Karl's father, as a child known as Herschel, was the first in the line to receive a secular education
>His wife, a Dutch Jewish woman, Henriette Pressburg, was from a prosperous business family
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx

This is a fucking TROLL THREAD. Not a socialist thread. I'm a socialist, but this is pure B8. Neck yourself.

It's not, righties just can't into definitions. But when all you have is a hammer everything looks like nails, I guess.

How would a society without money actually work unless production was fully automated? If production could not be automated, how would you make people work? Wouldn't the lazy end up leeching of the industrious?

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Because they are mostly underage and/or suffer from serious brain damage and have no real arguments.

Can someone post the original of the Naruto faggot in the bottom right of this picture?

I wouldnt say bakunin is libertarian as far as pure anarchism or anarcho communism

Two wuesions for non troll discussion

Given the failed premise of labor theory of value how does this effect marxisms utility?

In An Syn - aren't the syndicates now the new upper class? What makes them beholden to the people?

Im doing a reread of das kapital right now and one thing that struck me is that it seems a lot of these theories that were formalized at the dawn of the ondustrial age dont really translate into a modern day workers struggle

On a more pragmatic point , given that the world is populated by capitalist nations how would a fledgling far left society keep its integrity regarding sovereignty?

Might makes right in the real world after all , the fact that some society springs up - zapatista or kurdish anarchists or whatever - that isnt dominated by the monied elite wont stop them from destroying it. Ideals dont translate into real world results

>What do men strive for in a Communist society?
Anything they like really.

>Wouldn't the lazy end up leeching of the industrious?
You mean the ruling class?

Hail Victory

Fuck leftists

You have to be actually mentally retarded to buy into communsim

Literally, just take Econ 101

You just did a red herring

Instead of addressing the question you brought up another group and then talked about them

Rope yourself. This board is IQ100+
>>>/leftypol/

Lazy/industrious people are found both on the poor and wealthy spectrum of classes, so my question still stands.

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>facebook
Facebook is a surveillance platform and botnet, no thank you

>has been objected that upon the abolition of private property, all work will cease, and universal laziness will overtake us.

>According to this, bourgeois society ought long ago to have gone to the dogs through sheer idleness; for those of its members who work, acquire nothing, and those who acquire anything do not work. The whole of this objection is but another expression of the tautology: that there can no longer be any wage-labour when there is no longer any capital.

>All objections urged against the Communistic mode of producing and appropriating material products, have, in the same way, been urged against the Communistic mode of producing and appropriating intellectual products. Just as, to the bourgeois, the disappearance of class property is the disappearance of production itself, so the disappearance of class culture is to him identical with the disappearance of all culture.

>What is a definition?

Why do communists always live in capitalist countries? Shouldn't you respect the democratic will of the people by letting them live under the system they've elected, while you move to Venezuela or North Korea?

In a gommunisms society, the gommunists largely just strive for "muh pepol XDDDD," etc while achieving nothing spectacular if they simply can't just steal it from another country.

If you want to actually discuss it we can chat, but I think you'd rather just cite varying fallacy names like buzzwords.

FAILS 100% OF THE TIME

leaf posters radicalized me into a violent neo-nazi

Please explain how this is pure B8

Got any evidence or data to back that up?

Most studies show that you can live comfortably in the US simply by not having a child out of wedlock and staying in a job for more than 1 year. You have enough money to eat, buy an apartment, and live richer than an ancient Egyptian pharaoh

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>Thanksgiving Message from President Elect Trump 11/23/16
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>A Message from President Elect Trump 11/21/16
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>Trump Objectified 11/18/16
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>Trump ditches media to eat a well done steak
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>Pence emotional return to Indiana 11/10/16
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>Trump Rally in Grand Rapids MI 11/7/16 THE FINAL RALLY
youtu.be/uaJuQSMNxkM
>Trump Victory Speech 11/8/16
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>Just The Two Of Us
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>The Truth about Trump Protesters
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>Election 2016
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>Clinton landslide
youtu.be/wNGyFRjGC3Y
>SJW Meltdowns 1
youtu.be/dLbkKQ4_-EM
>SJW Meltdowns 2
youtu.be/um7b1Lu1SPI

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>I Wanna Be Like the Donald
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>Hold Back The Night
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>Inauguation of Fire
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>In the Hall of the Trumpen President
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>We Are The Silent Majority
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>American Comeback Story
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>AD: Trump's Argument for America
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>#TrumpTheEstablishement
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>American Hero
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>The Lion
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>TRUMP - MAGA
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>Trump Triumphant
www.dailymotion.com/video/x4ulway

always leave out he was raised a Lutheran and then became an atheist

>faggots in a nutshell

Fuck you then

#NotAllCommunists

>democratic

If you can't even seize the rights to a better future via hardwork what makes you think you can seize Jack shit?

Communism isn't robust enough to deal with things like the baby boom. Developing new technologies is incredibly slow compared to capitalism, cut through mountain of buerocracy and convince the government your idea isn't shit vs walking into an investment firm. Communism is a joke for assclowns and fairies who can't live with the real world

In communist society's men don't to strive for anything because they know that anything they make will be taken and redistributed by the state. Communism ignores the laws of economics. the only thing that allows us to have such a diverse array of material objects, foods and technologies.

"You pretend to pay me and I pretend to work" was a popular joke in the soviet union.

dude I love working to make major breakthroughs in science and history only to get 5% of the reward, while the rest goes to fucking everybody else just so they can jack off in the fucking woods all day instead of actually working

Damn I love communism

F U L L Y

>Shouldn't you respect the democratic will of the people by letting them live under the system they've elected
Only Sweden has ever held a referendum on capitalism. In every other country, there was not a choice.

To strive for 'anything you like' is to express our inequality of desires. In a society predicated on equality, this is a no-no.

Nonono, it's not TRUE socialism the way the Jew said it should be

So let's try again, and again, and again
We've had over 60 communist countries at this point, fails every single fucking time

>y-you b-bourgeoisie pigs better w-watch out!

>Why do communists always live in capitalist countries?
Because capitalist countries is all there is on the face on the earth now. The Bolsheviks lived in a feudal country though.

>Putin: Soviet Government Was Mostly Jewish 80-85%
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>Winston Churchill exposes forces behind Communism
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The Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party:

Krylenko Russian
Lounatcharski Russian
Ulyanov (Lenin) JEW
Bronstein (Trotsky) JEW
Apfelbaum (Zinovief) JEW
Lourie (Larine) JEW
Ouritski JEW
Volodarski JEW
Rosenfeldt (Kamanef) JEW
Smidovitch JEW
Sverdlof (Yankel) JEW
Nakhamkes (Steklof) JEW

The Council of the People’s Commissars:

Foreign Affairs Tchitcherine Russian
Nationalities Djugashvili (Stalin) Georgian
Agriculture Protian Armenian
Public Instruction Lounatcharsky Russian
Ulyanov (Lenin) JEW
Economic Council Lourie (Larine) JEW
Food Schlichter JEW
Army & Navy Bronstein (Trotsky) JEW
State Control Lander JEW
State Lands Kauffman JEW
Works V. Schmidt JEW
Social Relief E. Lelina (Knigissen) JEWess
Religions Spitzberg JEW
Interior Apfelbaum (Zinovief) JEW
Hygiene Anvelt JEW
Finance Isidore Goukovski JEW
Press Volodarski JEW
Elections Ouritski JEW
Justice I. Steinberg JEW
Refugees Fenigstein JEW
Refugees (assist.) Savitch JEW
Refugees (assist.) Zaslovski JEW

>libertarians are nazis now too
>everyone who disagrees with me is a nazi
This is exactly why the left is dying.

Better hurry back to 8ch, Roach, it might actually get shut down without the ad revenue from you and the two other posters circlejerking over there.

Bakunin!

>he thinks there can be ethical consumption under capitalism
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Food. In communist societies, people usually strive for food as they slowly wither away along with their family and friends.

>how would you make people work?
How does your boss make you do your laundry?

>C-Cuba is entirely b-bad!

>The bourgeois clap-trap about the family and education, about the hallowed co-relation of parents and child, becomes all the more disgusting, the more, by the action of Modern Industry, all the family ties among the proletarians are torn asunder, and their children transformed into simple articles of commerce and instruments of labour.

>But you Communists would introduce community of women, screams the bourgeoisie in chorus.

>The bourgeois sees his wife a mere instrument of production. He hears that the instruments of production are to be exploited in common, and, naturally, can come to no other conclusion that the lot of being common to all will likewise fall to the women.

All those jewish writings convinced you otherwise huh?

Members of the German Spartakusbund:

Karl Liebknecht German(?)
Rosa Luxemburg JEW
Clara Zetkin JEW
Leo Jogiches JEW
Paul Levi JEW
Ernst Toller JEW
Eugene Levine JEW
Kurt Eisner JEW
Gustav Landauer JEW
Erich Muehsam JEW

Could always go with with the tribes in Africa, they tend to not be capitalist.

>Communism is the highest developed stage of socialism wherein there is no state
At least read the OP before you post next time

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KILL YOURSELF FAGGOT

Aside from the millions of things that are outlawed, including virtually anything related to free speech.

FAILS 100% OF THE TIME.

Some liberterians like Molly were just fascists all along. Some are just autistic liberals.

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They are even more backward indeed. If you don't mind, I prefer going forward to communism.

Remember, communism makes you lazy. Now GET BACK TO WORK, WAGEKEK! WORK HARDER!

Nice strawman.

>Socialism never worked!

>Meanwhile, in Detroit

Yeah there's absolutely no reason why anyone would want to raise their kids away from black areas

Kill yourself commie. Leftists aren't human.

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The reason Africa is poor has nothing to do with their economic system, it's their low IQ levels

A U T O M A T E D

Leave communism to me.

>implying i care about non whites

>The Communists are further reproached with desiring to abolish countries and nationality.

>The working men have no country. We cannot take from them what they have not got. Since the proletariat must first of all acquire political supremacy, must rise to be the leading class of the nation, must constitute itself the nation, it is so far, itself national, though not in the bourgeois sense of the word.

>National differences and antagonism between peoples are daily more and more vanishing, owing to the development of the bourgeoisie, to freedom of commerce, to the world market, to uniformity in the mode of production and in the conditions of life corresponding thereto.

>In proportion as the exploitation of one individual by another will also be put an end to, the exploitation of one nation by another will also be put an end to. In proportion as the antagonism between classes within the nation vanishes, the hostility of one nation to another will come to an end.

Can communists not see that these are subjective arguments?

>I'm lazy
Pretty much Communism in a nutshell.