Redpill me on the American Civil War

Redpill me on the American Civil War
What were the real reasons?

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north cucks trying to destroy the beautiful south because of the north was full of people that had "strong liberal values"

Left-wing Christian nutjobs in the north got triggered because violent, savage Africans were made to work for once in their racial history, and declared war on their fellow whites to free them so that their cities could be destroyed by these violent Africans and their progeny could be robbed and raped by them.

States rights. Those rights just included owning slaves.

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This is the only answer that's right. It's very concise, but it's true, OP.

It all boiled down to states rights. And here's the kicker about the south, the average Joe was so confounded by the presence and occupation of the north, if you asked then "why are you taking g up arms?" His response would be, "because you're here." In the south it felt like total martial law, despite states rights.

*South anecdote based upon "Rebel Yell" stonewall Jackson biography.

Imagine a county where one half is very industrial and the other half is very rural

Now imagine if the industrial half said "we are taking away your tools to grow food"

The rural side said, fuck that later and then then industrial half pounded gen into submission by force

The South held onto the European monarchy, see plantation owners. The North embraced capitalism, later jewed into corporatism. The fights too singularity continues today.

Kek is listening.

From what I read and listened, I also felt, but this is more subjective imho, that the simple pioneer primordial American spirit fosters independence fiercely. I bet many southerners had no clue exactly why the north was descending upon them.

Would really slavery held out with growing industrialisation?

Its a complex conflict, its like trying to make sense of the "Constitution of Athens by Aristotle." Chaotic time.

The souths entire economy was based on agriculture, mostly cotton. This was done by slaves for huge profits, and without that their entire economy would crumble. Or so they thought.

Only like 5% of southerners actually owned slaves, the other 95% were poor white people that did all the work themselves. They still looked down on niggers, but it was basically to make themselves feel better for their shitty place in life.

The rich didn't want to let go of their money makers and were being threatened with the rise of industry, so they convinced everyone else their rights were being taken away by the northerners and if Abraham Lincoln got elected, then they were going to secede. Most northerners didn't give a shit about slaves, and most southerners didn't want to secede. They were thrust into it head first and it all escalated quickly.

It was about states rights.
The issue of slavery was only small talk at the time.
Lincoln only made it illegal in the end of the war as a threat to make the south give up sooner. He said "give up now or after I win, I will outlway slavery". The south kept fighting, and lincoln kept his word because he is a salty bitch.
They whole war started because lincoln kept trolling the south sending in armies into their territory.

No like the rest of the world it would have died out tractors are more effective and cheaper in the end

The fact is most of the states before that time always considers leaving the USA as a potential future, it was never meant to be an unending union it became that after the civil war

Even "northern states" like Vermont,Maryland and New York weren't really on board with the war or even keeping the south in the country

The states were very much independent nations at in the first half of the 1800's

If you read the military history even the regiments are made up and organized by what state the soldiers came from

That is exactly what I felt.

1876: Otto von Bismarck states,

"The division of the United States into two federations of equal force was decided long before the civil war by the high financial power of Europe. These bankers were afraid that the United States, if they remained in one block and as one nation, would attain economical and financial independence, which would upset their financial domination over the world. The voice of the Rothschilds predominated. They foresaw the tremendous booty if they could substitute two feeble democracies, indebted to the financiers, to the vigorous Republic, confident and self-providing. Therefore they started their emissaries in order to exploit the question of slavery and thus dig an abyss between the two parts of the Republic."

Abe Lincoln pulled down his pants and freed the slaves in Jefferson Davis' garden at a dinner party. The rest is history.

Wealthy Southerners pushed for secession in order to protect slavery. Working class southerners supported it because they wanted states rights and were fearful of being dominated by the federal government. Once the war began in earnest Southerners were basically fighting for their survival fearful that the north would come down, rape, pillage and steal, destroy the economy and make them second class citizens in their own homes which is exactly what happened when they lost,

The North fought in order to maintain the dominance of the federal government and wealthy Northern industrialists supported this movement in hopes that they would be able to use their influence to dominate the South after the war, which they did. Working class Northerners supported the war because Lincoln sold them on the idea that killing people who didn't want to obey the federal government equated defending Democracy and that as citizens they had a duty to "preserve the union" even if it ended up getting a million people killed.

TLDR: As with most wars it was fought over the economic interest of the ruling class on both sides at the expense of the working class. Also Lincoln was full of shit.

THE FUCKING JEWS, EVERY TIME REEEEEEEE

Lincoln was going to send them back to Africa, then he got got.

basically based southerners didnt want to be attached to a parasitic union with yankee cancerous cuck filth any more so they had to manufacture an economic reason to do so. the bad blood goes back to before when the US was even a country though.

dred scot overturns compromise of 1850
or something like that

Slavery. Or more accurately, the attempt to maintain the precarious political balance that maintained it.

Secession was mostly over slavery.

The war (the reason Southern soldiers fought) was because the North invaded the South.

No telling what the fuck Lincoln would have done if Booth hadn't iced him. As I said the dude was full of shit, early in the war he said he'd let slavery continue if he could "preserve the union", later after the emancipation proclamation he tried to sell everyone on the idea that ending slavery was a moral duty and the North was fighting for which has secured his legacy as a moral paragon rather than the man who suspended habeus corpus and killed a million people in order to maintain federal authority.

The government didn't follow through with deporting the slaves back to Africa because it would have cost too many shekels and because they knew the free blacks would be loyal to the Republicans which they were until LBJ conned them into being Democrats with dem programs.

Succinct but accurate.

Money, power, clay. Like always.

watch the Ken Burns documentary. Its a little pushy on the slavery bit but its generally really good if you like the civil war.

I like History overall and military History. But I remember being fascinated by the civil war because of being a kid and watching Leone The Good the Bad and the Ugly.

The civil war part felt so tragic and really drilled me some of the the "futility of war" feeling.

Lincoln was a tactician, he used black lives matter in a way that wasn't about protecting them, but American interests.

Its very similar to WW1, with neither side having a clear moral goal and the futile slaughter of it all.

There is something about the civil war that just pulls you in, an horrible spectacle of human suffering.

after decades of having 'our guy' in the white house, and a sympathetic supreme court, the South flipped shit over Lincoln in the EXACT SAME way that SJWs are 'literally shaking' and in 'fighting for their lives' over Trump's election.

>American interests.

If by American interests you mean the federal government's interests then yes.

The emancipation proclamation was passed in order to undermine the southern war effort by having slaves abandon their plantations to fight for the union, thus destroying the South's capacity to produce food (since white farmers were fighting the war) and providing the north with cannon fodder.

I take it this was the reasoning for the immigration act in the 60s?

Confederates confirmed for kike puppets.

I believe its the whole "brother vs brother" aspect that fucks me up but interests me. Not many other wars are like that.

Only much later in life I loved how Sergio Leone didnt push for any stupid good vs evil muh slavery angle.

It was just a sad conflict. Shit I need to see the part where Clint gives that soldier his last cigar.

Maybe the next president of USA would need to fix some things like deporting slaves back to Africa and not allow federal Jew reserve and such things. Times demanded certain actions. USA back then wasn't even super power.

Lots of reasons

The south was paying more in taxes than the north, yet more federal spending was being spent on the north to fund industrialization there (cronyism between the industrialists and the politicians)

The northern banks also got rid of the silver standard for lending in favor of floating it. Imagine being a southern buisnessman and borrowing $1,000. Then the bank comes back a year later and says actually you owe us $3,000. It was pretty fucked up.

There was a lot of shit brewing between the north and south, abolisionism was just part of a long list of grievances

You mean the Civil Right's Act?

Ensuring the black vote would swing Democrat was definitely one of the objectives behind it and its definitely the objective behind why a supposedly temporary measure like Affirmative action is still around 50 years later. It did do some good things; but its a really heavy handed piece of legislation and one that's way past its time.

Buthurt slave owners were angry that for the first time in american history they didn't completely control the federal government. Northerners put up with 70 years of southern domination and the south couldn't even put up with 1 day of not being in complete control of the federal government. Slaves states were becoming a minority and losing their political clout to the more numerous free states.

Forgot

Bugles are calling from prairie to shore, "Sign up" and "Fall In" and march off to war. Blue grass and cotton, burnt and forgotten All hope seems gone so soldier march on to die. Bugles are calling from prairie to shore, "Sign up" and "Fall In" and march off to war. There in the distance a flag I can see, Scorched and in ribbons but whose can it be, How ends the story, whose is the glory Ask if we dare, our comrades out there who sleep

Foreign meddling.

France and Britain conspired to break up the US in order to prevent us from eventually threatening their domination of the global order by supporting seccessionism and the Confederacy while Russia (which like the US was also a rising power) supported the Union.

all you guys are fucking retarted. it had nothing to do with "north cucks" or "north invaders". it was simply state's rights

Money, as always.

Don't listen to these nuts, while there were other causes, the main one was slavery, now that doesnt make the south evil, because the north was bad too, they just wanted to send them back to africa and ofcourse the rich landowners got scared that their harems and labor forces were going to be deported

ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?125433-Real-reasons-for-the-Civil-War

"The War Between the States began because the South demanded States' rights and were not getting them.

The Congress at that time heavily favored the industrialized northern states to the point of demanding that the South sell is cotton and other raw materials only to the factories in the north, rather than to other countries. The Congress also taxed the finished materials that the northern industries produced heavily, making finished products that the South wanted, unaffordable. The Civil War should not have occurred. If the Northern States and their representatives in Congress had only listened to the problems of the South, and stopped these practices that were almost like the taxation without representation of Great Britain, then the Southern states would not have seceded and the war would not have occurred. "

Tariffs imposed on the south
Unsuprisingly it didnt start becuase of niggers,
But it did turn partially into it

For many years, we have been taught that the Civil War was all about the abolition of slavery, but this truly did not become a major issue, with the exception of John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry, until after the Battle of Antietam in September 1862, when Abraham Lincoln decided to free the slaves in the Confederate States in order to punish those states for continuing the war effort. The war had been in progress for two years by that time.

Not true hue, North were money hungry Jews that used niggers as a means to achieve a moral high ground. Truth is, the north was just as racist, if not more so, than the south.

Yes, for indentured servitude of spics in exchange for citizenship. The 14th Amendment actually established different classes of citizens with different rights.

originalintent.org/edu/14thamend.php

It was states' rights, but not the way these retards claim it to be. The South wanted to expand slavery into the west, the North wanted to stop it so wageslaves could flourish. The Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 was the result of a compromise and actually led to the war cause free states had to return runaway slaves back to slave states even if slavery was banned in those states. The South argued slavery was a national institution and originally there was no intention by Lincoln to abolish slavery, abolition was NOT a popular idea. It only became abolished by after the war to punish the rebel states. The Emancipation Proclamation and Confiscation Acts only punished slave states that tried to secede, this did not include all slave states. Some state were promised to keep their slaves if they sided with the Union. Slavery was abolished nationwide because AFTER Lincoln's death, the radical gained hold and passed the 13th Amendment to end slavery solely to diss the Confederates. It wasn't muh poor niggers, it was about overzealous competition about states' rights.

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Slavery. Southerners would rig the election by owning slaves. A slave master's vote was worth 3/5th for each slave he owned. Lincoln saw this and abolished slavery with the emancipation proclamation and implented the 13th amendment.

Oh shit did you mean the 1860s?

lmao wtf are you talking about, sure the wealthy landowners in the South controlled much of SOUTHERN politics but the Federal government way more often bent to the will of the Industrialists in the North. That's why the South constantly felt like they were being targeted because of all of the Protective Tariffs being passed that affected them negatively. You also claim that the South was in complete control of the Federal government which is an absurd statement if you know anything about this time period. The Southern politicians spent most of their time shooting down bills that would expand the Federal Government's power. For example, federally funded internal improvements were greatly contested by the South.

North was becoming less Anglo, why they didn't want to obey Anglo any longer and to backstab Anglo, so Anglo backstabbed itself, like USA's Mexicans will backstab USA in coming years. There ain't such a thing as interracial country, USA isn't a country, it's an economic market. Nationalism doesn't exists in USA, it's a battle over money and when races become too mixed, they backstab their fathers.

Actual confederates would be disgusted by faggot apologist neo confederates who won't defend the peculiar institution of slavery that they so loved.

Something about high tariffs.

It was about power like every other war. The North wanted to assert their authority to tell the South how to conduct their business, and the South resisted.

Recent elections demonstrate the folly of forcing two irreconcilable terrotories under the same democratic government.

It's unbelievable how intelligent and powerful the men on both sides of the civil war were.

Even Grant and Sherman, while blood thirsty and rape happy, were supremely intelligent and the most powerful men of their age.

Stonewall Jackson and Lee are remembered as some of the greatest.

How many other countries have had civil wars like that? That isn't some small rebel group of fanatics? This is a legitimate question because I'd love to read more about it.

Nowadays you have tax too.

>lmao wtf are you talking about, sure the wealthy landowners in the South controlled much of SOUTHERN politics but the Federal government way more often bent to the will of the Industrialists in the North. That's why the South constantly felt like they were being targeted because of all of the Protective Tariffs being passed that affected them negatively. You also claim that the South was in complete control of the Federal government which is an absurd statement if you know anything about this time period. The Southern politicians spent most of their time shooting down bills that would expand the Federal Government's power. For example, federally funded internal improvements were greatly contested by the South.

I should clarify by saying they controlled the federal government on the slavery issue. Every federal administration before the civil war was controlled by either pro-slavery interests or neutral parties. Lincoln was the first openly anti slavery president and the south would put up with it.

Also, read based Calhoun for redpill

abbevilleinstitute.org/clyde-wilson-library/john-c-calhoun-and-slavery-as-a-positive-good-what-calhoun-did-not-say/

alexpeak.com/twr/adog/excerpts.html

I meant to say would not put up with it.

JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWS!

fugitive slave act was fucking corporate welfare for the slave owners. Sure, they didn't get everything their way, but they chimped out and got rekt.

Nonsense

American civil war in a nutshell:
1.) North - infested with non-Anglo migrants, doesn't makes Anglo profit, so it wants to sell own shit to Europe to make profit
2.) South - mostly Anglo migrants, trades with Anglo, makes most of Anglo profit

The British wanted to corner the COTTON MARKET, they owned the Industrial North, the rest is History

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