/left/ General - Left Edition

Greetings Comrades

This thread is for the discussion of any and all left-wing political ideology, including, but not limited to, Marxism/Socialism/Communism/Anarchism/Syndicalism/etc.

>Socialism is an economic and social system defined by social ownership of the means of production. (Workers democratically own and operate the places in which they work, as opposed to private power aka capitalism)

>The means of production are non-human inputs the create economic value, such as factories, workplaces, industrial machinery, etc. Socialists refer to the means of production as capital, or private property. Private property in the socialist context shouldn't be confused with personal property, such as your home, car, computer, and other possessions.

>In a capitalist society the means of production are owned and controlled privately, by those that can afford them (the capitalist aka those with capital). Production is carried out to benefit the capitalist (production for profit). Workers are paid a wage, and receive that amount regardless of how much value they produce.

>Communism is the highest developed stage of socialism wherein there is no state, no money, no class system. The means of production are owned by all and provide for everyone's needs.

Resources:

ABC's of Socialism: s3.jacobinmag.com/issues/jacobin-abcs.pdf

Introduction to Marxism by Professor Richard D. Wolff: youtube.com/watch?v=T9Whccunka4

Selections of Left-wing Literature:
Anarchist:
theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread

Libertarian:
Mikhail Bakunin - God and the State (short read)
Thomas Paine - Agrarian Justice
Noam Chomsky - Notes on Anarchism
Anton Pannekoek - Worker's Councils

Marxist-Leninist:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/

Other urls found in this thread:

youtube.com/watch?v=K9CbgexJLK8
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes
socialmatter.net/2016/10/03/alt-rights-das-kapital/
encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Managerial Revolution, Theory of the
youtube.com/watch?v=e2677YdumFs
amren.com/news/2016/09/dont-write-off-the-liberals/
insidehighered.com/news/2015/09/03/sat-scores-drop-and-racial-gaps-remain-large
sq.4mg.com/IQincome.htm#R
pitjournal.unc.edu/fall2013/sites/default/files/satinequality.pdf
theunsilencedscience.blogspot.com/2013/10/black-suits-gowns-skin-sat-scores-by.html
fairtest.org/sat-race-gender-gaps-increase
usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/education/2009-08-25-SAT-scores_N.htm
tcrecord.org/Content.asp?ContentId=16925
jbhe.com/latest/index012209_p.html
blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/10/07/sat-scores-and-income-inequality-how-wealthier-kids-rank-higher/
msnbc.com/all/sat-scores-trend-family-income
businessinsider.com/sat-chart-score-vs-income-2014-3
marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2014/03/the-sat-test-prep-income-and-race.html
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289615001221
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

lel i sage u

top kek breh

>masochism general

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thread theme:

youtube.com/watch?v=K9CbgexJLK8

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IF YOUR PERFECT SOCIETY HAS NO MONEY THAN WHO WILL CLEAN THE SEPTIC TANKS FILLED WITH SHIT FOR FREE?

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I'm just going to leave this here.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes
socialmatter.net/2016/10/03/alt-rights-das-kapital/
encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Managerial Revolution, Theory of the
youtube.com/watch?v=e2677YdumFs

Inequality is written in our genes and not fixable. Neoliberalism is bad, but Traditionalism and Paleoconservatism make better counter-arguments than socialism. Class Struggle makes less sense than the Managerial Revolution. Cultural Marxism is real, even if you don't want to call it that. It was created to address the failures of Marxism, namely by creating a society that could accept Marxism via social engineering.

>tfw to inteligent to believe different animals have different intelligence

Remember how you galvanized the right by shilling your crap to much?

Well im gonna tell you that youre doing it again.

One thread at a time would be enough but This is stupid, these tactics are the same that helped get Trump the election.

But by all means keep pushing and maybe you will have created an even bigger divide.

>He thinks the differences are anything but insignificant

Yep niggers ,are the problem

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>IF YOUR PERFECT SOCIETY HAS NO MONEY THAN WHO WILL CLEAN THE SEPTIC TANKS FILLED WITH SHIT FOR FREE?

Robots will. We care for comrades so we use technology.

crapitalism... UGH, no thanx

Funnily enough, OP, that argument you just made can be found in that image you are trying to invalidate.

Here's some leftism we can all support.

>amren.com/news/2016/09/dont-write-off-the-liberals/

>I am a liberal. I am also a white woman committed to my race and civilization. I am in favor of much of what is called “big government,” I think the Second Amendment is an anachronism, and I have been reading American Renaissance for more than five years. This may appear to be a shocking contradiction but, as I will show, it is not. Nor am I alone in my views. Admittedly, there are not very many of us liberals-cum-racial nationalists, but I predict there will be more.

>The common people, certainly as represented by the Socialist Party, were not liberal on race. The socialists reached the height of their power during the early part of this century and at one time could claim 2,000 elected officials. They were split on the Negro question, but the anti-black faction was probably the stronger. The party organ, Social Democratic Herald, argued on Sept. 14, 1901 that blacks were inferior, depraved degenerates who went “around raping women and children.” The socialist press dismissed any white woman who consorted with blacks as “depraved.”

>In their racial views, American socialists were in complete agreement with Karl Marx. He and Friedrich Engels both despised blacks and used the English word “nigger” in private correspondence even though they wrote in German. Marx called his rival for leadership of the German socialism movement, Ferdinand Lassalle, “the Jewish nigger,” and described him thus, in a letter to Engels:

> It is now entirely clear to me, that, as his cranial structure and hair type prove, Lassalle is descended from the Negroes, who joined Moses’ flight from Egypt (that is, assuming his mother, or his paternal grandmother, did not cross with a nigger) … The officiousness of the fellow is also nigger-like.

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>mfw this is what they really believe

Acknowledge whites' right to exist as a distinct people, and embrace a policy to remove non-whites from Europe, or don't expect any sympathetic ear from us.

We aren't interested in the 'class' talk. We know the theories, and disagree. We are concerned with the demographic replacement of whites in Europe. Acknowledge this, sympathize, and genuinely help us preserve our race (yes, that means you must embrace ideas that you currently see as """racist"""), and maybe we might be more open to certain left ideas.

But they get free stuff in return, it all works out

Go home, commie.

Never punch left

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This poster is trying to make you believe that right wing and left wing are both together against a common enemy.

who exactly do you think the gulags are for? Do you think that american niggers have the IQ or sense of solidarity to for a useful proletariat?

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Pretty much this. I'm not a leftist, but as long as the left is against Heterosexuality, Christianity, and the White race I have to fight it with all of my efforts. You can't win the votes or support of people who know you hate them. Goodnight all.

>retard general

a FUCKING

NAZIS WATCHOUT

okay

>who exactly do you think the gulags are for?

Bad goyim who have committed thought crimes or who don't meet their quotas.

Okay, but I don't see any argument against that claim

PLEASE KILL YOURSELF YOU GODDAMN FAGGOT
SERIOUSLY, WHY DONT YOU FUCKING DIE ALREADY
IM GONNA SAGE YOU WITH ANGER, ITS GOING TO BE A HELL OF A FUCKING SAGE
BECOUSE A FUCKING LEAF, A FUCKING LEAF
NIGGER KILL YOURSELF ALREADY

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funny maymay

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When the differences range between Einstein and Forrest Gump, between Peewee Herman and Arnold Schwarzenegger they are not insignificant.

How do you feel about Jews?

Don't you think it's pretty retarded trying to shill a Jew ideology on Sup Forums?

If there's ANYTHING that will never fly here, EVER, it's a Jewish idea such as communism that says that race doesn't matter.

You talk about capitalists. Shouldn't you acknowledge who all these exploitative bankers and CEOs etc usually are?

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idpol is a distraction, to make you ignore class inequality

Workers of the world must unite, whatever race they may be

Fuck leftists, stop spamming this shit you're not convincing anyone, infinichan

I think the only way to make people from the West to understand that communism doesn't work is to make them suffer through 50 years of it. Maybe then you will finally get it. Do you like standing in line for 3-4 hours to get meat and eggs? Do you want to be average as everyone else, and anything you want to achieve be shut down by government? If you say something against the government or the political ideology, do you want to be send in a two week train ride to Siberia and die from starvation in a gulag in -40C? IF you do, then go ahead.

Well would you look at that,
It's every single sexual attraction the jews are trying to push onto the population to reduce whites reproducing with each other, instead opting for asians and latinas.

>the """"""left"""""" is against Heterosexuality, Christianity and the White race
>implying that the left hasn't been infiltrated on purpose to discredit the actual, economic left with identity politics, divisive """"""progressives"""""

Take a look at what happened to Occupy Wallstreet if you want to see that the authentic left is victim to the same tactics used against the right by the globalists. If you think globalists and their agenda aren't opposed to the left at least as much as they are to the right, you're deluded.

Globalism is fundamentally capitalist, it's the ultimate expression of capitalist exploitation - it exploits third worlders by paying them a fist of rice for a day's work, it exploits first worlders by reducing the number of jobs available and thus making those who are employed unable to protest a single thing without being replaced and it lines the pockets of transnational corporations and international banking cartels.

The left and the right should be able to agree that globalism is the true enemy, and any "leftists" who say they are for globalism are NOT leftists.

Well then you will have no support here.

We all know you feel that way, and disagree.

We like our own race. We don't necessarily hate other races, but we don't want to be forced to be crammed in with them.

This whole fucking shift to the right is mostly fueled by the fact that non-whites are flooding Europe and WE DON'T WANT THEM THERE, PERIOD. "Class" doesn't come into it. We don't care if they're nice or not, or if they integrate (in fact, we'd prefer they DON'T).

So fuck you, I hope you get cancer.

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By that logic, humanity should've given up on democracy, as the French Revolution led to widespread foolishness and murder.

You can find those differences within any race though. Do you want to deport all the retarded whites too?

Rolling

class warfare is a distraction to make you ignore your own ability to improve your own situation.

workers of the world, stop being jealous cunts.

After Fidel died, suddenly the commies woke up. It needs to stop

we should race mix in order to produce the coffee colored master race

Haha oh wow, you cucks are still raiding Sup Forums

What the fuck do you think you will achieve? This board thrives on being pissed off at everything and everyone in society, most of all, leftists. You retards think Sup Forums hates socialism/communism because of lack of exposure, or perhaps because we haven't seen the light of your "true" communism-- the reality is quite the opposite. All your raid will achieve is some mild annoyance and a further cemented hatred of communism.

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In an ideal world, class inequality is just and fair. Based on intelligence and energy. You should join us to make that just and fair world a reality. At the moment all you are doing is encouraging dindus to say gibs me dat to productive people.

Leftists constantly support globalists like the EU, shilled for Hillary knowing fully how aggressive she is abroad, etc.

Leftists are absolute globalists, in that you want us all to be 'one people'. We resist this with ever part of our being.

Also, Marx was a Jew. Sup Forums hates Jews. More than globalism, even, more than feminists, blacks, Muslims, etc.

Robots cost money. Nobody will build them for free

Also, to others, don't forget to put sage in options area

Rolling

big tits pls

She's just a lightskin nigger

>he thinks democracy was invented at the French revolution
>he thinks we think the French Revolution was a good thing

>Let me google that for you.
insidehighered.com/news/2015/09/03/sat-scores-drop-and-racial-gaps-remain-large

sq.4mg.com/IQincome.htm#R

pitjournal.unc.edu/fall2013/sites/default/files/satinequality.pdf

theunsilencedscience.blogspot.com/2013/10/black-suits-gowns-skin-sat-scores-by.html

fairtest.org/sat-race-gender-gaps-increase

usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/education/2009-08-25-SAT-scores_N.htm

tcrecord.org/Content.asp?ContentId=16925

jbhe.com/latest/index012209_p.html
(HAS THE FUCKING CHART)

blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/10/07/sat-scores-and-income-inequality-how-wealthier-kids-rank-higher/

msnbc.com/all/sat-scores-trend-family-income

businessinsider.com/sat-chart-score-vs-income-2014-3

marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2014/03/the-sat-test-prep-income-and-race.html

We're not advocating for mass immigration, or even any immigration. If the people won't assimilate into the culture, then I agree they shouldn't be in the country in the first place.

I know a significant portion of Sup Forums feels the same. It's culture, not race, more than anything

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What is this threads main viewpoint? Marxism, leftism or communism? And what would that main viewpoint's stance be on personal firearm ownership?

we crush da capitalists xDDDDDDDD

>Collaborated with capitalists to defeat true socialists

Browsing Sup Forums at work? You should be working hard making my dividendies.

wrong

It's culture and race

It's not about white people it's about British people, French people, German people

These people all tend to be white/European

gtfo with your commie shitskin uplifting bullshit, socialism only works for white people

SIEG HEIL VIKTORIA!

They get free stuff whether or not they clean the septic tanks. No one will do it retard
It's like arguing with fucking children. You people can't ever accept when you're wrong

>Saturday
Nice try.

Eat shit and die leftists. The next time you pissbags try something - anything - the streets will become streams of blood - leftist blood.

>watching Sup Forums squirm every time one of these threads is made

feels good man

Hey guys, speaking about 8ch raids....

Whats this thread here?

http://2^3ch.net/leftypol/res/1104283.html

>Thread for discussion pertaining to the leftist presence on 4/pol/ that has been growing. Their safe space/echochamber has been completely fucked over and they are furious about it.


They've invited us for an open dialogue :^)

Mostly marxism and communism, but this thread is for discussion of all left-wing ideaolgoies.

As for gun ownership, I'll leave you this quote from Marx:

>" Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary."

>That pic
My sides are fucking gone

>this thread

>implying the so called 'holodomor' happened

It's western propaganda to discredit the Soviet Union. Famines happen all the time and it's not as if the Soviet state could control the weather.

No one is squirming, you're delusional

No. I really don't think we should. There is a reason France's average IQ has dropped 4 points in the last 10 years. All you will be left with is a low IQ slave race controlled by jewish masters. Well, that is basically the end game of (((communism))) after all.

>Dutton and Lynn have identified a 4 point decline in French IQ
>Dysgenics and replacement migration are proposed as causes
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289615001221

>being that much of a failure in life that the only joys you know are dreaming of sucking stalin's cock and being insulted for raiding an imageboard

Absolutely pathetic.

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tfw no cute asian gf

But Asians are more intelligent than whites, so should Asians be allowed to stay?

If you really want to troll them set up Holodomor celebration threads, larp as an identity politics beneficiary, or talk about really anything that makes sense. Demand links, studies, and proof. Be ready to hop IPs because you get banned there for any thoughtcrime.

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broken link
good job ausfailia

I believe you

Not a tankie

Every single one of these threads I've checked out is just communists getting BTFO and ignoring any and all posts that poke massive fucking holes into your ideology.
Otherwise you retards just reply
>N-NOT REAL C-COMMUGIBSOM

My point being, we're simply laughing at you people for being so fucking stupid

really? Where is the black Einstein?
>he doesn't understand statistics and collectives
For someone obsessed about the collective of the working class you sure don't know shit about collectives.

you cant post (2^3)chan links you idiot

replace 2^3 with 8, and learn high school math while youre at it

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Do you ever see people being racist against asians on here? We don't want to be replaced by them, but surely you can see a difference in opinions regarding asians as opposed to shitskins. That is not a coincidence.

Asians should stay in their own countries

I'm guessing you're a Pajeet, there is literally no reason for you to be in Canada

Okay antifa.

>Leftists constantly support globalists like the EU
American leftists perhaps, and even if that is so, then they are just delusional idiots. The European left is antiglobalist, anti-EU, anti-war. They opposed TTIP, while the nationalists twiddled their thumbs (respect to the right eurosceptics who didn't).
>shilled for Hillary knowing fully how aggressive she is abroad
Then they are idiots, Hillary is a classic neoliberal, hell even Trump is more left wing than Hillary, at least where it matters (Trump's "All Americans" vs Hillarys "minority politics", Trump's Neokeynesian infrastructure plans etc.)
>Leftists are absolute globalists, in that you want us all to be 'one people'
You're refering to communists, which everyone who is left but isn't communist will tell you are retards.
>Also, Marx was a Jew.
Again (I'll ignore the conspiracy theorie), Marx "invented" communism, not left wing politics; the left existed before communism, and communism most certainly was a mistake

>Implying you won't get banned the second you BTFO them and they'll circle jerk acting like they won the debate after the ban