Explain to me why Universal Basic Income isn't the only solution for the future

Explain to me why Universal Basic Income isn't the only solution for the future

It will just be slapped onto all the other welfare shit.

If you remove all the other welfare shit (and the bureaucracy that comes with it) its not a terrible idea.

If the government make debt free currency instead of borrowing it from (((central banks))) that is.

basic income for those that cant support themselves is a sign of a civilized society. Universal basic income is just a sign of decadence, and a recipe for an underclass

A better solution is eugenics.

Rebranding socialism still makes it socialism...

Sage the faggot

We had in our country people who said "not to right, not to left - forward"
Then they got elected.
And go straight to left.
Don't get fooled.

Because it at this moment it requires us to exterminate 90% of all Americans because of money generated and then money distributed at an above poverty level rate.
But doing that creates a million more problems than it solves.

Thats a fact.

Paying people for nothing but existing. Including people who contribute negatively to society. Yeah, seems like a great idea because people on benefits now definitely don't bitch about now having enough. They would definitely suddenly learn to budget, learn the difference between wants and needs, and actually try contributing to society if they had the same basic income as everyone else. Definitely.

Automation is going to dry up all middle class, brain dead jobs. You can blame brown people for only so long.

Yeah, it's the same here. Fucking Blairites.

> Eugenics is not left or right. Its forward.

Also

>ITS
>its

Unconditional
Leftist public hanging
is completely
right

That is heartless. Who would be happy living in such a world knowing if their kid could get sterilized or just plainly culled? Humans desire love and compassion not some fascist dystopia.

Nope. It's just a leftist excuse to give free money to all the dole bludgers. Let's not fall for that shit again.

Forward toward what?

Progress toward what?

TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS
GET YOUR SPERM GUTTED FOR TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS
why won't anyone do this shit
poor people will show up in fucking droves

> Le printing money so no one will be poor! meme
Go back to Zimbabwe communist.

You can be either the ubi receiver or the ubi provider -where you have to support both yourself and people below you. Which leads to funny question.
If pensions are already stretching the budget to seams because there's about 4 people per pensioneer, how many additional people would be added to the supported bracket by implementing ubi? How will the budget solve this problem?

By the time UBI is technologically feasible the culling of the excess weight will begin.

good idea, make all citizens lazy and complacent in a world full of pyschopaths who would love to conquer your nation

>Forward

nonsense.

You must first describe the destination and why "we" should go there.

because it's basically a Jewish trick to cut welfare

Wait, why would the rich allow this?

Whatever you call it, it's still wealth redistribution.

makes people lazy neets
who will pay for it?

fuck niggers i aint paying those monkey dipshits a single cent

in fact


kill every nigger

>forward

Because money doesn't grow on fucking trees

UBI increases taxes and inflation, reducing everyone's purchasing power and ends up hurting the people of low income the most

Fuck off, idiot

I think it's a great idea, but we've decided that you're going to be the one doing all the work the rest of us need done so that we can go on holiday.

>forging consensus

more like forcing consensus through a public brainwashing program called the mainstream media

>Unconditional basic income

What is "I'll never work again"?

sounds like communism

people have a right to contribute and a right to be compensated, stating by law what the amount should be isn't effective because the value of the currency can change rapidly

>Universal basic income

Hello I have a gender studies degree and dont know how the world really works

For real though, it would turn people fucking lazy, maybe in 40 years if they can automate almost everything but its completely delusional to think it would work currently

B-b-but muh human rights!!! Muh ethics!!

God, society is such a bunch of pussies it's disgusting.

>solution for the future
>for the future
>future
In the future yes, it's probably the solution. But that future is decades away. It won't work now.
Get the automation and A.I's in place, then introduce universal income, not the other way around.

>For real though, it would turn people fucking lazy,

they're already super lazy, financial sector people are the laziest most useless bags of skin to ever bear the title of useless eater

everyone else is even worse than them, I say we just gas everyone and let the lower mammals take over

Climate change, immigration and job automation.

WWIII isn't far. Probably within our lifetime.

It's funny that you suckers believe the greedy elite at the top will bother trying to prevent any of these problems. All of them are just preparing their bunkers and hoping somebody else will end up dealing with the problems.

I'm heading off to New Zeeland.

How many times does communism have to fail before you give up

unconditional basic income would allow for autists like me to revel in autism
why wouldn't i support it?

what is the point of even bringing this up? we should be talking about how to transition into post scarcity before we're handing out the rewards of it

basic income means basic needs

basic food, basic water, basic shelter.

People would still need to work for things like a better place to live, a car, a family.

Basic income is keeping ahead of the automation curve. Less people are going to need to work in the future.

Sure there will be parasites, but that's not going to change no matter what you do. This would give people more freedom in choosing to do what they want to do, instead of what they have to do. People tend to be more productive when they do things they enjoy doing, instead of hate doing.

We could incentivize shit jobs like janitor jobs with higher wages. This would naturally happen due to scarcity.

> what is allocation of investments
> what is asset managment
You must be one of the geniuses occupying places.

Until its their family that starves in the Gulag.

UBI makes no sense whatsoever if immigration is allowed. Any immigration. Refugees, family reunification, H-1B. Get rid of it before we even talk UBI. I'm not working to support promiscuous yard monkeys.

It won't ever work.

Although, in a round about way, I 100% agree with it.

.........it's very, extremely unfair to not have a say in being born.
Existing.
All the sudden, you start developing memories, a consciousness.
You start "remembering" things, ya know?

Anyway, you're put on this planet without your consent (not that it's all that terrible, really......at least for some of us in the first world....) and without your consent, again, you have to "work" to survive.

.........even though the technology exists, and has existed since the early 1900's, for free energy.
With free energy comes free everything.
....not FREE, like a hand out, ya know?
Not welfare.
But, like......something that should be standard.
Something completely understood.

Socialism, communism, and the like will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER work while money is still a concept.

The idea of money has got to go.
Seriously.
It's the ONLY problem.
So.......we get rid of the problem?
God damn, seriously.
It's really that simple.

You have a basic human right to WORK and to SURVIVE from that work.
Anything less is a disaster for society.

very simple things that jews have parasitically complicated (similar to literally everything they touch)

What happens when 50% of the people demand more than they produce?

Wait, where does it say that you have a basic human right to work?

I'm pretty sure UBI would work fine with white people the strivers would still be competitive and need to attain more power and money to show off. the lifestyle acquirable by just the ubi would need to be seriously meager though

therein lies the problem.

The cost of living has dramatically risen while wages have stayed stagnant.

Simply remove all forms of welfare etc and allow contraception abortion and starvation to match the population to the number of jobs - as automation increases so can the population reduce

Because people don't want to give free money to lazy asses. Another global war is the only solution in order to cull the herd and it's right around the corner!

It could, but only with a huge regulatory cut, abolishment of healtcare/benefits/social security and tax simplification.

What lefties advocating for UBI want right now is more handouts though, which would just spell disaster.

Inflation is actually more typically caused by supply shortages of goods and services not an increase in money supply.

It is a common myth perpetuated by people that clearly don't know what they are talking about that more money supply means inflation. There are other factors that play a much bigger role.

Working towards a better tomorrow falls under
> Pursuit of happiness
In the constitution.

They start cleaning shit for $25 an hour as janitorial jobs would be in demand.

>Pay everyone basic income
>People stop working
>People move out of productive cities which are expensive for people to live
>Flock to cheaper rural communities which aren't as productive and don't work because they can live more comfortably on their UI

haha the labour market will just fix itself just pay everyone universal income lol

Because genocide is still an option.

Why would the rich keep us around if they don;t need us any more, let alone pay for us to consume luxuries?

The alternative is what is happening right now, the global IQ is dropping like a rock

In 100 years there will just be a huge permanent underclass of literal retards ruled over by a bunch of kikes

only works for 100% white countries, otherwise the system will be abused (e.g. spawning little turds to get more money)

i would

your argument = invalidated

Why do you think you deserve to be paid for merely existing? You must add value to the world to continue surviving.

You are free to start your own bank you know. But entertain me - how is keeping your wealth over time a jewish trick?

I already pay high taxes.

How much more expensive will it be when I pay niggers a salary?

It is funny all these people calling socialism and communism when the likes of Friedman and Hayek argued for it.

People here have been cucked so much.

There's a subtle difference.

You have a right to try to find work but you don't have a right to a job.

The latter is distinctly more of a socialist ideal.

fuck (((you)))

a good 50% of the population just wouldn't work then.

people are fucking lazy

There's no shortage of work that people need to get done, just as there's no end to man's desires.

The only reason you can't find work for a man is because you've lost the dream for any kind of future and it's time to give up your seat of power.

You don't have any rights...

YOU KNOW EXACTLY THE JEWISH TRICK FUCKFACE
TAKE A (((MEAGER))) 1% A YEAR AND YOU GET LITERALLY FUCKING ALL OF IT OVER TIME YOU GOD DAMN KIKE I WILL NOT REST UNTIL YOU ARE GASSED

>The alternative is what is happening right now, the global IQ is dropping like a rock
Actually the contrary is true due to the flin effect (look it up) the average IQ in the world is actually going up!

money may be infinite but resources aren't
if you give africans and asians free money for just existing they're going to shit out 20 kids each, strip the earth of it's resources until humanity devolves into a brawl for basic necessities
here are your two choices:
a world with few people living happy, content lives
a world with a shit ton of people living sad and unfulfilling lives
pick one and only one

t. ancap

>Universal Basic Income
Cuba

Come at us, murrifat! :^)

I have every right, as i have the right of free thought and action

But there are consequences

Basic income with a flat tax will probably be the future when all the manufacturing jobs are overtaken by A.I.

Then slowly the elites and working people will realize they don't need the ones without a job and goes in for genocide. Protip: the elites and working people are jews.

A lot of work requires more skill and intelligence than a lot of people possess.

And a lot of work, lacks funding.

It's true that there isn't an absence of work to be done but that doesn't translate to an abundance of jobs.

do we actually need everyone working? i highly doubt it. reproduction probably needs to be a privilege u must earn though.

just because you've started your own bank with your family castle doesn't mean we all have the means to do so like the kikes

If you want to be a slave then go for it

All the SJWs and commies in the government with chips on their shoulders wont just disappear

Jobs will become fewer and fewer over the years due to technology replacement.
So if it's left to the market to decide the income will become smaller and smaller.
Basic income means that every worker will have a somewhat decent way of life with the money they earn independent of work market.
BASIC INCOME IS MORE IMPORTANT NOW THAN EVER BEFORE!

Of course it is left. It's going to be financed by taxation. Taxation on whom? The rich.
Or maybe inflation? Witch devalues the savings and silently robs everyone's bank account?

Fuck off with this shit, taxation is theft and a violation of individual property rights.

Because the second this comes about I'm quitting my job and just working part time like 2-3 days a week.

Then they realise they just killed everyone that bought the shit they sell causing the growth in their own wealth to collapse.

Explain to me how you were able to see into the future.

Still didn't answer.

What happens when more than 50% of the people demand more than they produce?

The number of parasites have a voting majority to vote in favor of extending 'basic income' to include education, healthcare, public transport...

This is why socialism always has and always will fail. When half of the population consume 100% of the resources without producing anything, countries go bankrupt.

UBI cant work. If wages have to triple to encourage people to work, then the costs of everything goes up, and the UBI must rise to match it, otherwise the Basic income doesn't cover the basics.

The only way to get more money for the UBI is to tax the worker more of his higher wage, reducing/eliminating the incentive you tried to create.

Any country that tries to introduce a basic income will bankrupt itself faster than with any other socialist policy.

Whatever amount of money UBI will be set at, it will be the new €0.

Not sure you meant to quote me

It'll probably be fucking needed eventually. But not now.

The real question is why should we keep the rich around?

When society goes shit, private property you cant protect on your own becomes free for the taking.

The power of genius is to take incredibly difficult topics and simplify them for ordinary use.

That's why transistor programming turned into assembly turned into C turned into Java turned into RPGmaker deluxe. Now any idiot can make their own hack and slash.

It can not happen without genius to create it, but the results can be taught and used by many.

That is in fact the endgame of STC production, where ab ordinary man can 3d print whatever he desires to build the next cool thing.

It depends how much people are granted. If they are given enough money such that they can live in relative comfort without having to worry about getting a job, society would disintegrate.

There's this misguided notion that if people were alleviated of the burden of having to work for their wealth then they would be able to turn their attention to other more creative pursuits. But for the vast majority of people this is utter nonsense.

I wager that most of them would sit around and vegetate as opposed to finding something creative or productive to do. Real genius and talent is against the grain, it is born out of struggle and strife, it does not come about when there is nothing to push against.

While UBI sounds nice and convenient, I fear that it would discourage people from being productive and they would not spend their free time cultivating some sort of utopian society, rather they would be living hedonistically, going from one pleasure to the next until the money runs out because no one is generating wealth.

Where is the money coming from that you are using for your handouts? It isn't free. Something has to give.

Because it will leave people poorer and with less freedom from the government, and less likely to work

>Socialism, communism, and the like will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER work while money is still a concept.

It's not the idea of money that is the problem.

It's the concept of 'ownership' and 'value'.

If you create something of value (like food) and there is no means to trade for it, animals - including humans - will just be violent in order to access it and control it.

So basically it's
>Welfare - Shame

Or
>COMMUNISM

hmm, I wonder why it wouldn't work...
>soviet onion
>benefitszuela
>cube-a
>north-by-northwest Korea
>cry me a yellow river china

nigger
I don't think it's a jewish trick, it's just you being horrible at math. Charging 1% is a payment for a service. Keeping your shit in place so it keeps its worth is a SERVICE you nigger, and SERVICES need to be PAID for. You can of course manage your shit yourself, but good luck keeping it at a steady level because guess what, the prices of everything fluctuate with time.
Then use your oil fishnigger

are gommies against the ubi ?
i would think so since it would kill any chance of prole revolution