A Fascist general for Fascists and those interested.
We are reactionary and revolutionary, we are liberal and conservative, we are radicals and pascifists. We are united not by blood, not by class but by hope for unity and glory.
We are both reactionaries and revolutionaries, we are radicals and pascifists, we are theists and atheists, we are men and women. We are fascists, we strive for the greatness not just of ourselves but of our homelands and comrades in the defense of all that is civilization and order.
Be respectful and please try to keep conversations relatively "intellectual"
Good fascists/similar or influential people to get an introduction
Oswald Mosely Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera Benito Mussolini Adolf Hitler The Strassers Stepan Bandera Corneliu Zelea Codreanu Salazar Ramiro Ledesma Ramos Ettore Ovazza Gaetano Mosca Friedrich Nietzsche Charles Maurras Enrico Corradini Filippo Tommaso Marinetti Johann Plenge Alceste De Ambris Gabriele d'Annunzio Juan Perón
Types of Fascism
Italian Falangism National-Syndicalism British Union National-Socialism Strasserism Meme futurism Clerical Fascism Brazilian Integralism Peronism
The 20th century called, it wants it's failed political theory back.
Mason Cooper
Bump
Jackson Richardson
It failed not due to fascism itself but do to failures in ww2. The war destroyed not just fascism but set back the western world.
Much as ww1 was western civilization was slitting it's own throat. ww2 was fascism slitting it's own throat. But those who did the slitting were not the hard working fascist or the civil servant who strove for greatness it was those who lead their nations to defeat who dragged that cold blade across their neck.
Ww2 was horrible for fascism. So many states like these could have cooperated but they were destroyed.
Ayden Nelson
Of course, that was the International Jew's plan.
Grayson Rivera
The same can be argued for any failed political philosophy.
Jack Peterson
>We are reactionary and revolutionary, we are liberal and conservative, we are radicals and pascifists. We are united not by blood, not by class but by hope for unity and glory.
you're not liberals, you're not conservatives, you are radicals but not pacifists. either you don't know shit about fascism or you are retarded - well you are either way, because I assure you fascism will always end up in socialism - and by that I don't mean the communist utopian kind, but the real world state stole your property and is now enslaving you kind. For the greater good, huh
Gabriel Thomas
>The same can be argued for any failed political philosophy. Not really. Communist states have a tendency of falling apart on their own. See Yugoslavia, Soviet Union... China would have followed the same path had they not switched to capitalism.
Bentley Torres
Enlighten me on meme futurism
Ryder Adams
Υes it's sad really
Charles Gray
Also this OP doesn't seem to know what fascism even is
Isaac Butler
I mean there is /nsg/ already but contributing I guess Pic related is Marshal Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim with Hitler
Tyler Thompson
What's the difference between Nazism and Fascism?
Caleb Martinez
Whats an alternative style of government with common military youth programs?
Hudson Price
Yugoslavia did not fall apart, it was fucking ripped apart by wars and NATO. If it would be to its own fate this would not have happen.
Soviet Union was run by Bolshevik zionists running the country to the bottom on purpose.
Its not due to communism itself these countries got issues, its due to well-planned zionist agenda
Elijah Foster
National socialism isn't fascist ideology
Thomas Phillips
Seig heil
Julian Russell
Gas kikes
David Myers
Kill commies
Daniel Scott
Yeah, like how are they different?
Kevin Anderson
put kebabs on spikes
Dylan Diaz
Nazis were part socialists. Their economy was a precursor to what is today called social market economy - ie a combination of socialist government programs and a capitalist private sector. Fascist states have universally been opposed to any form of socialism. I'd say the best example of fascism would be the Roman Empire, which in some sense "invented" capitalism as we know it today.
Jordan Ward
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William Perry
Dunno, our fascism had a monarchy and was British-friendly. Also anti-communist as fuck. What is impressive is that it went pretty well, even managing some wins against the Italians in WW2.
Bentley Murphy
Futurism was a Artistic and social movement after ww1. It glorified violence, speed, youth, radicalism, patriotism and death.
Imagine that woth memes
The only official definition of Fascism comes from Benito Mussolini, the founder of fascism, in which he outlines three principles of a fascist philosophy. 1."Everything in the state". The Government is supreme and the country is all-encompasing, and all within it must conform to the ruling body, often a dictator. 2."Nothing outside the state". The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government. 3."Nothing against the state". Any type of questioning the government is not to be tolerated. If you do not see things our way, you are wrong. If you do not agree with the government, you cannot be allowed to live and taint the minds of the rest of the good citizens. The use of militarism was implied only as a means to accomplish one of the three above principles, mainly to keep the people and rest of the world in line. Fascist countries are known for their harmony and lack of internal strife. There are no conflicting parties or elections in fascist countries.
National Socialism is fascism but more race/volk oriented.Economicly fascism is based on more of a traditional form of socialism whereas National Socialism rejects traditional socialism as being just another Jewish swindle. The main difference is that Fascism is more rooted in an economic form of government while the NS movement is based on race and the folk community. While there clearly were socialist elements in the Third Reich these are actually closer to what we today have in America, with things like old age pensions and public health care
Liam Ward
But doesn't Fascism believe in the joint ownership of businesses and corporations between the owner, the worker and the state?
Isaiah Anderson
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Anthony Jackson
republicanism + russia as neighbour.
Andrew Ross
Whether you are a socialist, fascist, communist or a national socialist you are all the same. >collectivism >big government >redistribution of wealth >no liberty
The only answer to preserve our society is economic liberalism and social conservatism . If Nazi Germany had won the war they would of collapsed from bankruptcy.
Henry Garcia
Is fascism even compatible with the American ethos? Fascism seems like something that would work very well and very naturally in Europe, but individualism and distrust of government are an innate part of the American spirit.
Carson Lewis
Fascism believes in corporatism. Their are many ways to do this. National syndicalism promotes corporations to work together through syndicates/unions. Strasserism promotes worker and experianced management control of industry to meet demands and production.
I think that many fascists today lean towards libertarianism in economics rather than national socialism.
Henry Garcia
Some would argue that economic and social policies are interwined and what you're suggesting would be unsustainable.
Josiah Miller
If this isn't a straight up honeypot there is zero chance its not already compromised.
Brandon Johnson
I was waiting for the unironic Bolsheviks to show up
Cameron Clark
It looks honeypot af.
Gavin Martin
are you a girl?????
Andrew Bailey
Yugoslavia wasn't bolshevist, it was probably the closest thing to fascism that survived in Europe post-WW2.
Robert Anderson
are you gay and islamic as well? im not sure about this whole fascistism thing
Angel Rogers
What? No. Most fascist states didn't even allow for worker unions. Every example of fascism I know has universally supported free market capitalism (with a special asteriks, which essentially allows government intervention to prevent exploitation of the people or the state). In essence, do what you want as long as you're not harming the state or it's citizens.
>Benito Mussolini, the founder of fascism My sides. Do you even know where the term fascism comes from?
Luis Bennett
>yugoslavia >ruled by the communist party >complete lack of private enterprise >complete state ownership of all means of production >fascism what the fuck are you smoking mate?
Cooper Nelson
>joint ownership of businesses and corporations between the owner, the worker and the state?
let me translate that: "it is our cow" which means "it is their cows" which means "certainly not your cow anymore, kamerad. now back into the labour camp with you, staatsfeind"
Benjamin Ward
They didn't allow unions because they represented an authority/organizing committee outside of the state, but they acknowledged why unions existed in the first place, and emphasized the fact that the working class would not be hung out to dry.
Joshua Martinez
>We are united >by hope for unity and that's why you won't get any glory
Whites are not hive insects Whites are Humans and the only one who can own a Human worthy of this name is his own fucking self
do what you have to do, for yourself, and by yourself that's precisely how we created the greatest civilization of all leave it for kikes, asians, and co, to be hive insects, ffs
Grayson Hernandez
only decent person in this thread that isn't cheering for his own demise.
Isaiah Baker
Hobbes would disagree with you.
Nathan Allen
You dumb turkish fool, your nation is unsustainable. Social Conservatism and economic liberalism were the beliefs of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan Why don't you get some education.
Benjamin Campbell
I myself am quite economicly liberal. I admire the ingenuity and growth of capitalism. I love the ability to start an independent buissness. I love the mom and pop self sufficient workplace.
No. Why do you ask?
No I am straight and an agnostic theist.
Benito created Il Popolo d'Italia. He formed the Fasci Rivoluzionari d'Azione Internazionalista. They were the first to call themselves fascists. Granted they were a new movement so their ideologies were not fully centralized but they had the founding principles such as militarism, authoritarianism, anti orthodox socialism.
Kayden Lopez
Then they are not fascist. Fascism believes strongly in collectivism and government intervention into the economy.
Sebastian Diaz
>Hobbes >individualistic conception of natural rights >would disagree nope
Camden Cooper
why should he care? Hobbes isn't his master.
Thomas Perry
> "Types of Fascism" > Doesn't include Austrofascism, the best kind
Julian Walker
Νοt really. It was Titoism, something inbetween.
Charles Butler
>They were the first to call themselves fascists Yet that doesn't make them the first to embrace such a political system.
>they had the founding principles such as militarism, authoritarianism, anti orthodox socialism. And what do you think inspired those principles? The clue is in the name.
Connor James
Yes but you're stopping halfway. His point is that natural rights are not sufficient for good life and civilization. His concept of "natural law" is the right of every man to defend himself and sustain himself, which would inevitably put him at war with every other man until a better organized enemy comes to finish him off. He straight up calls liberty dangerous on an individual level.
Joshua Gutierrez
that hairless (shaved) thigh pic you posted earlier
you know our policy on females discussing fascism (no girls allowed)
Sebastian Evans
I forgot. Maybe it could be included under clerical fascism due to it catholicism.
Who do you think was the first to follow fascist principles?
That is simply a picture form the internet.
Parker Ross
>Fascism
Cooper Rogers
I do hope none of you voted for Donald "waves the flag of the fag" Trump. That wouldn't be very intelligent.
and he calls for a state not having any other purpose than the defense of the natural rights as far as Hobbes is concerned, a state thus is whichever de facto grants such protection even ancap competing security business are not anti-Hobbesian
on the other hand, fascism deying individuality (it's in the very name, coming from lictors' fasces, and their handle of joined twigs, to picture that what's together as one doesn't break where individuals would) goes against the very basic Hobbesian concept of natural rights
Jonathan Green
How was it anything inbetween? There was no private enterprise in Yugoslavia at all. It was only after ~1970 that they were forced to start making a transition towards capitalism, because the entire state economy was crumbling
>Who do you think was the first to follow fascist principles? The Roman Empire, which isn't only the first but also objectively the most successful example of fascism.
When it comes to ww2-era fascist states, we've never really seen them in their original form, since they've spent most of their short lived existence in a state of war.
Easton Torres
Trump is literally hitler, how could I not?
Jackson Thompson
>When it comes to ww2-era fascist states, we've never really seen them in their original form
True. War was the death of modern fascism.
Dominic Flores
A collectivist mindset does not in any way imply suppression of personal freedom. All you need is a single common point on which the citizens can rally around, and that might as well be the love for personal freedom. Wasn't that precisely the case during the founding of USA?
Cooper Rodriguez
Right, but to the extent that it will keep you alive and give you a more stable environment to flourish than you are capable of doing yourself. And in order to create that state, you, and everyone else, must submit your will to the single will of the state, and forfeit your right to judgment of it afterwards. A state is not whichever de facto grants such protection in his eyes. In fact, he goes through a whole chapter in Leviathan explaining why a family/clan/tribe/small local government is not the same thing as his State in a commonwealth.
Fascism does not go against Hobbesian natural rights in the slightest, it fulfills them. One people, one voice, one will. Sound familiar?
Levi Taylor
Guys I work all the time as I live to work, I am finding it really hard to find a time to exercise...
A fascist ideal should be a strong healthy body , but I am dashing around in the office for hours and hours at least so I'm not fat
I work a good honourable career and nobody at the top is jewish as far as I know... I don't want to sacrifice my career for some muscles.
I'm very healthy
Kevin Nguyen
There's no point in splitting this thread off from the National Socialist general. And fascists aren't reactionary because there is nothing left to restore. This thread is stupid and encourages snowflakism
John Evans
What is your work schedule? Many daytime 9-5 workers often work out in the morning. It's a nice way to wake up imo. Wake up at 6:30, 6:45 get something to eat such as a bowl of oatmeal/eggs/toast/cottage cheese, sit for 10-20 mins, work out for 45 mins, shower and head to work.
Kevin Adams
The "fascist ideal" revolves around health. Muscles look good, but the key point is that you should be healthy. If you have a job that is affecting your health, then yes, you should quit.
Josiah Reed
>I can't read All the rushing around at work keeps me from being fat. I just have no time for lifting.
I wake up at 7:30 and work usually until 9:30pm. I guess i could squeeze some in by waking up half an hour early, but getting a good nights sleep is important
Andrew Ward
butthurt commie detected
Nolan Parker
>I can't read I can read, but just because you're not fat doesn't mean you're healthy.
Thomas Roberts
>A collectivist mindset does not in any way imply suppression of personal freedom >must submit your will to the single will of the state QED... without will, you can't be an individual without being an individual, natural rights don't make sense without natural rights, we're not Humans
and that's precisely why fascism is at most what purges a society having turned into a shit show there goes its usefulness hoping fascism goes as far as allowing to create such a civilization as ours is vain, and stupid
Blake Perez
Good lad. Discipline in the mind and in the body go a long way.
Charles Sullivan
Not destroy; submit, transfer. You're missing the forest for the trees here. Your will is still at the center of the picture, and is encouraged. You're talking out your ass.
Brandon Myers
a submitted will is no will at all.
Aaron James
not a commie.
Eli Rodriguez
It constitutes the greater will, which is capable of things that you as an individual are not.
Luke Perez
>must submit your will to the single will of the state And from which bodily crevice did you pull the conclusion that the state will control every single aspect of your life? You're talking as if collectivist vs individualist mentality is a black-white scale with nothing in between. Jesus fuck just compare eastern to western Europe. I know for a fact most people here wouldn't mind having an authoritarian government, as long as that government was actually competent and cared about it's people. I'd actually go so far as to say they'd prefer it over the bullshit we have now.
Austin Anderson
>tfw want a fascist gf but can't even get a regular gf
Alexander Sanders
for a short time, and with the pertinence of a headless duck is why fascism only is useful when purging
>the conclusion that the state will control every single aspect of your life? oh, I get to choose which aspects will be controlled? and if what's necessary to build something great is controlled, too bad, I guess? that's not how the greatest civilization was created that is part of how you prevent it from being totally destroyed, but nothing more
Sebastian Brooks
This
America is best paleoconservative/paleolibertarian, Europe is best fascist
Liam Carter
Thank you
Gavin Wood
>tfw country crawling with fascist qts >tfw still single
>oh, I get to choose which aspects will be controlled? The government will exert the minimum amount of control necessary to maintain a functioning society. >and if what's necessary to build something great is controlled, too bad, I guess? If the survival of the state depends on the prevention of you "building something great", then that's a price worth paying
Nathaniel Smith
Where do you get this "short time" thing from? You're just making shit up as you go along.
Jonathan Peterson
Get a gf with basic moral/social knowledge and introduce her to people such as Diana Mitford, Mary Richardson and Norah Elam
Jaxon Fisher
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Nicholas Jackson
The Strassers were not fascists, but national communists.
