/Fasc/

/Fasc/

A Fascist general for Fascists and those interested.

We are reactionary and revolutionary, we are liberal and conservative, we are radicals and pascifists.
We are united not by blood, not by class but by hope for unity and glory.


conservapedia.com/Fascist_Manifesto,_1919

worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm

reakt.org/fiume/charter_of_carnaro.html

We are both reactionaries and revolutionaries, we are radicals and pascifists, we are theists and atheists, we are men and women.
We are fascists, we strive for the greatness not just of ourselves but of our homelands and comrades in the defense of all that is civilization and order.

Be respectful and please try to keep conversations relatively "intellectual"


Good fascists/similar or influential people to get an introduction

Oswald Mosely
Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera
Benito Mussolini
Adolf Hitler
The Strassers
Stepan Bandera
Corneliu Zelea Codreanu
Salazar
Ramiro Ledesma Ramos
Ettore Ovazza
Gaetano Mosca
Friedrich Nietzsche
Charles Maurras
Enrico Corradini
Filippo Tommaso Marinetti
Johann Plenge
Alceste De Ambris
Gabriele d'Annunzio
Juan Perón

Types of Fascism

Italian
Falangism
National-Syndicalism
British Union
National-Socialism
Strasserism
Meme futurism
Clerical Fascism
Brazilian Integralism
Peronism

Other urls found in this thread:

youtu.be/NmcJD6_DwFE
i.4cdn.org/wsg/1480768591311.webm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_of_August_Regime
mises.org/blog/mises-fascism-again
youtu.be/Le-9uWKe2dk

The 20th century called, it wants it's failed political theory back.

Bump

It failed not due to fascism itself but do to failures in ww2. The war destroyed not just fascism but set back the western world.

Much as ww1 was western civilization was slitting it's own throat. ww2 was fascism slitting it's own throat. But those who did the slitting were not the hard working fascist or the civil servant who strove for greatness it was those who lead their nations to defeat who dragged that cold blade across their neck.

We failed because our leaders were incompetent.

Bump.

Hail! (that's intentionally not a heil)

youtu.be/NmcJD6_DwFE

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>shaved white leg
>nice lady shape
>lady
guys I think I'm feeling something

are you a a gg girl user?

i.4cdn.org/wsg/1480768591311.webm

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_of_August_Regime

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With Goebbels before the war

Sad how things turned out

>tfw the regime was destroyed

Ww2 was horrible for fascism. So many states like these could have cooperated but they were destroyed.

Of course, that was the International Jew's plan.

The same can be argued for any failed political philosophy.

>We are reactionary and revolutionary, we are liberal and conservative, we are radicals and pascifists.
We are united not by blood, not by class but by hope for unity and glory.

you're not liberals, you're not conservatives, you are radicals but not pacifists. either you don't know shit about fascism or you are retarded - well you are either way, because I assure you fascism will always end up in socialism -
and by that I don't mean the communist utopian kind, but the real world state stole your property and is now enslaving you kind.
For the greater good, huh

>The same can be argued for any failed political philosophy.
Not really. Communist states have a tendency of falling apart on their own.
See Yugoslavia, Soviet Union... China would have followed the same path had they not switched to capitalism.

Enlighten me on meme futurism

Υes it's sad really

Also this
OP doesn't seem to know what fascism even is

I mean there is /nsg/ already but contributing I guess
Pic related is Marshal Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim with Hitler

What's the difference between Nazism and Fascism?

Whats an alternative style of government with common military youth programs?

Yugoslavia did not fall apart, it was fucking ripped apart by wars and NATO.
If it would be to its own fate this would not have happen.

Soviet Union was run by Bolshevik zionists running the country to the bottom on purpose.

Its not due to communism itself these countries got issues, its due to well-planned zionist agenda

National socialism isn't fascist ideology

Seig heil

Gas kikes

Kill commies

Yeah, like how are they different?

put kebabs on spikes

Nazis were part socialists. Their economy was a precursor to what is today called social market economy - ie a combination of socialist government programs and a capitalist private sector.
Fascist states have universally been opposed to any form of socialism.
I'd say the best example of fascism would be the Roman Empire, which in some sense "invented" capitalism as we know it today.

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Dunno, our fascism had a monarchy and was British-friendly. Also anti-communist as fuck. What is impressive is that it went pretty well, even managing some wins against the Italians in WW2.

Futurism was a Artistic and social movement after ww1. It glorified violence, speed, youth, radicalism, patriotism and death.

Imagine that woth memes

The only official definition of Fascism comes from Benito Mussolini, the founder of fascism, in which he outlines three principles of a fascist philosophy.
1."Everything in the state". The Government is supreme and the country is all-encompasing, and all within it must conform to the ruling body, often a dictator.
2."Nothing outside the state". The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government.
3."Nothing against the state". Any type of questioning the government is not to be tolerated. If you do not see things our way, you are wrong. If you do not agree with the government, you cannot be allowed to live and taint the minds of the rest of the good citizens.
The use of militarism was implied only as a means to accomplish one of the three above principles, mainly to keep the people and rest of the world in line. Fascist countries are known for their harmony and lack of internal strife. There are no conflicting parties or elections in fascist countries.

National Socialism is fascism but more race/volk oriented.Economicly fascism is based on more of a traditional form of socialism whereas National Socialism rejects traditional socialism as being just another Jewish swindle. The main difference is that Fascism is more rooted in an economic form of government while the NS movement is based on race and the folk community. While there clearly were socialist elements in the Third Reich these are actually closer to what we today have in America, with things like old age pensions and public health care

But doesn't Fascism believe in the joint ownership of businesses and corporations between the owner, the worker and the state?

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republicanism + russia as neighbour.

Whether you are a socialist, fascist, communist or a national socialist you are all the same.
>collectivism
>big government
>redistribution of wealth
>no liberty

The only answer to preserve our society is economic liberalism and social conservatism
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If Nazi Germany had won the war they would of collapsed from bankruptcy.

Is fascism even compatible with the American ethos? Fascism seems like something that would work very well and very naturally in Europe, but individualism and distrust of government are an innate part of the American spirit.

Fascism believes in corporatism. Their are many ways to do this. National syndicalism promotes corporations to work together through syndicates/unions. Strasserism promotes worker and experianced management control of industry to meet demands and production.

>Mises on fascism
mises.org/blog/mises-fascism-again

I think that many fascists today lean towards libertarianism in economics rather than national socialism.

Some would argue that economic and social policies are interwined and what you're suggesting would be unsustainable.

If this isn't a straight up honeypot there is zero chance its not already compromised.

I was waiting for the unironic Bolsheviks to show up

It looks honeypot af.

are you a girl?????

Yugoslavia wasn't bolshevist, it was probably the closest thing to fascism that survived in Europe post-WW2.

are you gay and islamic as well? im not sure about this whole fascistism thing

What? No. Most fascist states didn't even allow for worker unions.
Every example of fascism I know has universally supported free market capitalism (with a special asteriks, which essentially allows government intervention to prevent exploitation of the people or the state).
In essence, do what you want as long as you're not harming the state or it's citizens.

>Benito Mussolini, the founder of fascism
My sides. Do you even know where the term fascism comes from?

>yugoslavia
>ruled by the communist party
>complete lack of private enterprise
>complete state ownership of all means of production
>fascism
what the fuck are you smoking mate?

>joint ownership of businesses and corporations between the owner, the worker and the state?

let me translate that: "it is our cow" which means "it is their cows" which means "certainly not your cow anymore, kamerad. now back into the labour camp with you, staatsfeind"

They didn't allow unions because they represented an authority/organizing committee outside of the state, but they acknowledged why unions existed in the first place, and emphasized the fact that the working class would not be hung out to dry.

>We are united
>by hope for unity
and that's why you won't get any glory

Whites are not hive insects
Whites are Humans
and the only one who can own a Human worthy of this name is his own fucking self

do what you have to do, for yourself, and by yourself
that's precisely how we created the greatest civilization of all
leave it for kikes, asians, and co, to be hive insects, ffs

only decent person in this thread that isn't cheering for his own demise.

Hobbes would disagree with you.

You dumb turkish fool, your nation is unsustainable.
Social Conservatism and economic liberalism were the beliefs of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan
Why don't you get some education.

I myself am quite economicly liberal. I admire the ingenuity and growth of capitalism. I love the ability to start an independent buissness. I love the mom and pop self sufficient workplace.


No. Why do you ask?

No I am straight and an agnostic theist.

Benito created Il Popolo d'Italia. He formed the Fasci Rivoluzionari d'Azione Internazionalista. They were the first to call themselves fascists. Granted they were a new movement so their ideologies were not fully centralized but they had the founding principles such as militarism, authoritarianism, anti orthodox socialism.

Then they are not fascist.
Fascism believes strongly in collectivism and government intervention into the economy.

>Hobbes
>individualistic conception of natural rights
>would disagree
nope

why should he care? Hobbes isn't his master.

> "Types of Fascism"
> Doesn't include Austrofascism, the best kind

Νοt really. It was Titoism, something inbetween.

>They were the first to call themselves fascists
Yet that doesn't make them the first to embrace such a political system.

>they had the founding principles such as militarism, authoritarianism, anti orthodox socialism.
And what do you think inspired those principles? The clue is in the name.

Yes but you're stopping halfway. His point is that natural rights are not sufficient for good life and civilization. His concept of "natural law" is the right of every man to defend himself and sustain himself, which would inevitably put him at war with every other man until a better organized enemy comes to finish him off. He straight up calls liberty dangerous on an individual level.

that hairless (shaved) thigh pic you posted earlier

you know our policy on females discussing fascism (no girls allowed)

I forgot. Maybe it could be included under clerical fascism due to it catholicism.

Who do you think was the first to follow fascist principles?

That is simply a picture form the internet.

>Fascism

I do hope none of you voted for Donald "waves the flag of the fag" Trump. That wouldn't be very intelligent.

youtu.be/Le-9uWKe2dk

and he calls for a state not having any other purpose than the defense of the natural rights
as far as Hobbes is concerned, a state thus is whichever de facto grants such protection
even ancap competing security business are not anti-Hobbesian

on the other hand, fascism deying individuality (it's in the very name, coming from lictors' fasces, and their handle of joined twigs, to picture that what's together as one doesn't break where individuals would) goes against the very basic Hobbesian concept of natural rights

How was it anything inbetween?
There was no private enterprise in Yugoslavia at all.
It was only after ~1970 that they were forced to start making a transition towards capitalism, because the entire state economy was crumbling

>Who do you think was the first to follow fascist principles?
The Roman Empire, which isn't only the first but also objectively the most successful example of fascism.

When it comes to ww2-era fascist states, we've never really seen them in their original form, since they've spent most of their short lived existence in a state of war.

Trump is literally hitler, how could I not?

>When it comes to ww2-era fascist states, we've never really seen them in their original form

True. War was the death of modern fascism.

A collectivist mindset does not in any way imply suppression of personal freedom. All you need is a single common point on which the citizens can rally around, and that might as well be the love for personal freedom. Wasn't that precisely the case during the founding of USA?

Right, but to the extent that it will keep you alive and give you a more stable environment to flourish than you are capable of doing yourself. And in order to create that state, you, and everyone else, must submit your will to the single will of the state, and forfeit your right to judgment of it afterwards. A state is not whichever de facto grants such protection in his eyes. In fact, he goes through a whole chapter in Leviathan explaining why a family/clan/tribe/small local government is not the same thing as his State in a commonwealth.

Fascism does not go against Hobbesian natural rights in the slightest, it fulfills them. One people, one voice, one will. Sound familiar?

Guys I work all the time as I live to work, I am finding it really hard to find a time to exercise...

A fascist ideal should be a strong healthy body , but I am dashing around in the office for hours and hours at least so I'm not fat

I work a good honourable career and nobody at the top is jewish as far as I know... I don't want to sacrifice my career for some muscles.

I'm very healthy

There's no point in splitting this thread off from the National Socialist general. And fascists aren't reactionary because there is nothing left to restore. This thread is stupid and encourages snowflakism

What is your work schedule?
Many daytime 9-5 workers often work out in the morning. It's a nice way to wake up imo. Wake up at 6:30, 6:45 get something to eat such as a bowl of oatmeal/eggs/toast/cottage cheese, sit for 10-20 mins, work out for 45 mins, shower and head to work.

The "fascist ideal" revolves around health. Muscles look good, but the key point is that you should be healthy.
If you have a job that is affecting your health, then yes, you should quit.

>I can't read
All the rushing around at work keeps me from being fat. I just have no time for lifting.

I wake up at 7:30 and work usually until 9:30pm. I guess i could squeeze some in by waking up half an hour early, but getting a good nights sleep is important

butthurt commie detected

>I can't read
I can read, but just because you're not fat doesn't mean you're healthy.

>A collectivist mindset does not in any way imply suppression of personal freedom
>must submit your will to the single will of the state
QED...
without will, you can't be an individual
without being an individual, natural rights don't make sense
without natural rights, we're not Humans

and that's precisely why fascism is at most what purges a society having turned into a shit show
there goes its usefulness
hoping fascism goes as far as allowing to create such a civilization as ours is vain, and stupid

Good lad. Discipline in the mind and in the body go a long way.

Not destroy; submit, transfer. You're missing the forest for the trees here. Your will is still at the center of the picture, and is encouraged. You're talking out your ass.

a submitted will is no will at all.

not a commie.

It constitutes the greater will, which is capable of things that you as an individual are not.

>must submit your will to the single will of the state
And from which bodily crevice did you pull the conclusion that the state will control every single aspect of your life? You're talking as if collectivist vs individualist mentality is a black-white scale with nothing in between.
Jesus fuck just compare eastern to western Europe. I know for a fact most people here wouldn't mind having an authoritarian government, as long as that government was actually competent and cared about it's people. I'd actually go so far as to say they'd prefer it over the bullshit we have now.

>tfw want a fascist gf but can't even get a regular gf

for a short time, and with the pertinence of a headless duck
is why fascism only is useful when purging

>the conclusion that the state will control every single aspect of your life?
oh, I get to choose which aspects will be controlled?
and if what's necessary to build something great is controlled, too bad, I guess?
that's not how the greatest civilization was created
that is part of how you prevent it from being totally destroyed, but nothing more

This

America is best paleoconservative/paleolibertarian, Europe is best fascist

Thank you

>tfw country crawling with fascist qts
>tfw still single

>oh, I get to choose which aspects will be controlled?
The government will exert the minimum amount of control necessary to maintain a functioning society.
>and if what's necessary to build something great is controlled, too bad, I guess?
If the survival of the state depends on the prevention of you "building something great", then that's a price worth paying

Where do you get this "short time" thing from? You're just making shit up as you go along.

Get a gf with basic moral/social knowledge and introduce her to people such as Diana Mitford, Mary Richardson and Norah Elam

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The Strassers were not fascists, but national communists.

Bandera was not a fascist either.