Informative thread about today's Italian Constitutional Referendum.
What the referendum actually means (ita):
>Marco Travaglio - Perchè No Tutte le bugie del Referendum -
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tl;dw
>Perché NO Tutte le bugie del Referendum (di Marco Travaglio) - Estratto a Di Martedì 21 giu 2016
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>Italian Sup Forums Discord - Sup Forumsiticamente Scorretti
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>PDF sulla nuova legge elettorale (in Italiano)
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>Sito Ufficiale sul referendum (in Italiano):
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>Information on upcoming referendum (in English):
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>Sito ufficiale del comitato per il No (in italiano)
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>Sito ufficiale del comitato per il sì (in italiano)
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>JP Morgan: sbarazzatevi delle costituzioni anti-fasciste
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>JP Morgan: Enough with anti-fascist costitutions
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>Maria Paola Toschi, strategista del mercato globale al JP Morgan Asset Managment dice a CNBC: "Il referendum Italiano di questo Dicembre potrebbe creare volatilità attraverso i mercati mentre l'anno si avvicina alla sua fine"
>Maria Paola Toschi, global market strategist at JP Morgan Asset Management told CNBC: "The upcoming Italian referendum this December may create volatility across markets as the year draws to a close."
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Translation of the summary (first 3 minutes) is the following (1/2):
Let's see how the new Senate works, folks, because the fastest Matteo has taken an easy process, take two system and multiply them by 5: 10 systems. The snakes and ladders game, stuff for psychiatric departments naturally, will increase out of proportion the contentious between Chamber of Deputies (CoD) and Senate (S), Parliament and Regions, with infinite conflicts of power that will all end in front of the Constitutional Court. It's the "Office for Complications of Simple Affairs". Please, follow me in these 10 stages of the snakes and ladders game.
1. For Constitutional Laws, the system remains the same
- Perfect bicameralism between CoD and S
2. For Ordinary Laws, absolute chaos:
- Approval is up to the CoD and S can always give its 2¢
- Montecitorio Palace (CoD) approves, sends the law to Madama Palace (S) where within 10 days 1/3 of senators' votes are enough to review the text
3. In case of review by S, there're 2 options:
- S can leave everything as it was decided by CoD or amend the law within 30 days
4-5. If they amend within 30 days, the law goes back to CoD who have last word and there, there're 2 options:
- Receive and approve the amendments by S
- Ignore the amendments by S and restore the original text approved by CoD with the Simple Majority (half +1)
6. Completely different procedure for laws about Territorial Autonomy's Matters:
- If the government decides to activate them, there's the Clause of Supremacy (don't ask me what it is because it's too complicated )
- S has again 10 days to review or ignore them, then 30 more days to approve eventual changes
- If S doesn't touch anything, it passes as CoD decided.
7-8-9. If S changes anything, the text goes back to the CoD:
- CoD can discard the amends done by S, but in this case the Simple Majority won't be enough, that would be too simple, they need Absolute Majority vote (half +1 of the elected)
- In case S's amends were done with Simple Majority, CoD can also overcome it with Simple Majority vote, maybe, this is not very clear because they're still arguing about it.
- Without majority in the CoD, the law passes as S amended it.
10. The Financial Law follows yet another different process:
- CoD approves it then sends it to S
- S automatically votes it but have only 15 days to amend it
- If S amends with Simple Majority, CoD can re-amend the amendments with Simple Majority
- If S amends with "Complicated" Majority and CoD doesn't reach a "Complicated" Majority, nobody knows how the fuck we're going to figure it out. Then, if there're conflicts or appeals, presidents of both chambers meet to find a resolution, but, the presidents are 2 people: if one has an idea and the other has another idea, who wins? the most beautiful one? or do we go in front of the constitutional courts? about these "silly issues" the reform doesn't care, thus leaves everything suspended.
This way We have gone from Perfect Bicameralism to Bullshit Bicameralism/Crazy Bicameralism (2/2).
tl;dr for everything else:
>Reduce senate members from 315 to 100
This makes corruption easier. It's more easy to bribe 51 senators than 158 and much cheaper. The original law writers decided it would be 315 in order to make corruption harder and prevent the creation of a echo-chamber.
>Increase of signatures from 50'000 to 150'000 required for Citizens' Initiative law proposal.
This blatantly reduces the power of taxpayers, it's already hard enough as it is now to find 50'000 signatures, figures 150'000.
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>Travaglio
Downvoted.
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Thanks for the (You)s.
Witnessed.
notice he started to lose when he stopped broadcasting anime in his tv
>Virginia Raggi will never peg you
why live?
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this thread needs more truceklan
You know what to do
he should seriously consider getting some new licenses, I've not watched any of his channels in years, do they still show dragon ball z reruns and all the other old crap? I'd be glad to even see some subtitled stuff, as long as it's something new.
How likely is the NO! vote?
When will the results start coming?
they actually have licenses for a lot of shit they only aired once like gundam 0079, zeta and wing
recently I've only seen one piece aired on italia 2
The YES was shilled pretty hard, if Berlusconi didn't personally unleash his pet medias for the NO then it would've been the only choice with a real platform.
I don't have high hopes though, italians are stupid.
Past midnight.
Hopefully +55%. Southern italy affluence for now is low, they're mostly for the no, while northern italy affluence is +20% with a lot of people for the yes
official NO anthem
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11 pm for exit (((polls)))
late night/early morning for the actual result
FRATELLI D'ITALIA....
Very likely. I still hope SI wins though.
In 9 hours.
Paesani miei, for anyone who wants to take photos of their vote to enjoy the liberal butthurt when you post them on Sup Forums later, consider the following first:
>turn off audio, some phones make a sound when you take photos
>disable flash completely, try it beforehand at home
>set to night mode to have best lighting/contrast since it can be dark inside the boots
>keep the phone in a pocket that's not too low so they won't notice from outside when you take it out
>print a pepe or any other meme to place as proof near the vote
There were no exit polls where I voted today, is it normal? honestly, I expect the polls will be probably rigged.
GTFO fucking neapolitan lighter-selling niggers.
nowadays polls are always rigged my friend
voting booth* ftfm
Why?
Because he's a liberal cuck who loves illegal immigrants ruining italian cities.
That, or a PD shill.
No I don't want illegal migrants. A stronger central executive power can help us deal with immigration.
just came back home after voting NO lads
Benis
>deal with immigration.
Yeah just like in Germany with Merkel, truly a role model to follow.
Are you kidding me?
Thank you all.
Are you guys voting NO?
Or rephrasing the question, do you guys hate Merkel?
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>A stronger central executive power held by a bunch of cucks can help us deal with immigration.
checked
nice digits, benis confirmed for absolutely patrician
Come si fa ad essere accettai sul canale discord? Non posso portare i bei memi divertentoni.
NO is the only right answer
I personally don't use it, if some discord user is lurking they could post a new link I guess. Also:
>those digits
NO!NO!NO!
entra e presentati su benvenuto ché ti facciamo membro
Grazie, vado.
If someone want to join our italian Sup Forums on discord here the invite
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we have Sup Forumsernational too for foreigners.
r e t a r d
the only one we need to fuck off is you, understand you fucking veneto?niggers of the north literally.
>one piece
mi viene la nausea solo a pensarci onestamente... speravo avessero qualcosa di più recente come Fairy Tail almeno. Se non ricordo male, nessuno lo ha licenziato in italia fino ad ora.
>ID: fOOd
>digits
Witnessed.
>xx14x88xx
You are playing with fire friend.
SFASCIARE STA UNIONE...
SENZA SOPRAVVISSUTI!!
well done my friend
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Do Italians really think that they were Romans?
I don't know, guys. Govs will finally stop shilling for niggers if our
Were getting killed right now, most of people voting are from cucked Romagna
Do somalians really think they are swedish?
What's likely going to win?
>NO
>Inter
It appears i have struck a nerve.
>Italians trying to get things done
Holy shit
That's not gonna happen anytime soon especially if they keep importing uncivilized cavemen who take away more jobs from the italian people and make it even harder for the youngsters to make an earning for themselves to start a family:
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Check this vid, some comments are kinda cringey, but most of them still aren't wrong.
ft has been aired on rai4 some time ago.
Never watched it, but before airing they shilled it daily for weeks.
Also I miss MTV and MTV anime night.
It's like every channel is converting in some 50yo housewive pandering channel. It's disgusting.
>swedish education
look mate, you can keep thinking whatever you want but people taking real decisions usually are not dumb. There's a reason if govs shill immigration so much, and if you fell for the Sup Forums meme known as "muh jews want white genocyde" you should stop browsing for your own good. The only power they care about comes from money, and there's little money to be made with fake luxury goods.
We are Romans. The same way French, Portuguese and Spanish people were Romans.
Mein pastas
Ooga booga Sven
GUISE THEY GAVE ME SOME BULLSHIT PASTEL PENCIL
you're blue pilled as fuck m8
Italbros, what do you think of M5S?
>There's a reason if govs shill immigration
Not for the italian one, the only reason is because the european parliament complains that we don't take enough, also there're european laws to respect too.
Besides, all the memes aside, is a matter of facts that there's a huge exploitation of the immigration crisis by entities like rich foreigner foundations, such as the Open Society Foundation, see:
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ok, keep believing the ultimate truth can be found in a somalian cut and paste collective and not in the only thing that ever drove men to their actions
Just got back from voting.
Nobros WW@?
They're a big tent party that doesn't have clear stances on Europe, Immigration and whatsoever.
They're bad and their leader is an idiot.
I don't even know where to start about how bad they are.
The nigro selling you the fake bag may be earning shit, but the whole institution behind him, the people who make the fake stuff and the guys who have an actual logistic infrastructure, make so much money you would question your own life choice. Go read about commercio di imitazioni illegali a little, read facts for once instead of your baseless "feelings"
>BULLSHIT PASTEL PENCIL
Like every time you go.
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Garbage.
kek first timer? supposedly, it's an inerasable pencil.
also look at this post (despite not being mine)
While that's true it still doesn't change the fact that Italy as it is will crush on the weight of the babyboomers' pensions in less than 20 years, and litterally noone will benefit that.
need to revise their immigration policy, otherwise the stuff they propose isn't half bad, imho.
Se vi può aiutare, qui viene riassunto il tutto
who are you pastaniggers voting then
I don't think you understood my post though.
Are there true italian socialists/communists and that they think on this referendum?
>look mate, you can keep thinking whatever you want but people taking real decisions usually are not dumb
They are actually far more dumb and far more prone to commit gross mistakes because of their lack of skin in the game and biased views than a compact mass of moderately informed voters with a double digit IQ.
Statistically speaking i would rather take the collective advice from 10 nonnas than 1 euroshill whose only talent is shoehorning overfit pieces of data on squiggly graph using econometric models courtesy of Prof Goldshekel with the same predictive power of astrology
>medium.com
bro i'm sure of it, but i'm also pretty sure that you can make much more with banks, multinationals and drug traffics
Partito Comunista :)
all the far left wingers dropped out from PD will vote no
where can we track the result online?
Last time? A smaller party in the PD coalition hoping that that would have given them more leverage in internal affairs.
Next time? I honestly don't know. There is literally no party appealing to me at the moment.
I'm a durdy gommie and I voted No.
You cannot. It's illegal.
Vote NO
Viva la rivoluzione !!!
Bravo Hans, good luck in Germany too.