/left/ General - TAKE THE RED PILL EDITION

Greetings Comrades

This thread is for the discussion of any and all left-wing political ideology, including, but not limited to, Marxism/Socialism/Communism/Anarchism/Syndicalism/etc.

>Socialism is an economic and social system defined by social ownership of the means of production. (Workers democratically own and operate the places in which they work, as opposed to private power aka capitalism)

>The means of production are non-human inputs the create economic value, such as factories, workplaces, industrial machinery, etc. Socialists refer to the means of production as capital, or private property. Private property in the socialist context shouldn't be confused with personal property, such as your home, car, computer, and other possessions.

>In a capitalist society the means of production are owned and controlled privately, by those that can afford them (the capitalist aka those with capital). Production is carried out to benefit the capitalist (production for profit). Workers are paid a wage, and receive that amount regardless of how much value they produce.

>Communism is the highest developed stage of socialism wherein there is no state, no money, no class system. The means of production are owned by all and provide for everyone's needs.

Resources:

ABC's of Socialism: s3.jacobinmag.com/issues/jacobin-abcs.pdf

Introduction to Marxism by Professor Richard D. Wolff: youtube.com/watch?v=T9Whccunka4

Selections of Left-wing Literature:
Anarchist:
theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread

Libertarian:
Mikhail Bakunin - God and the State
Thomas Paine - Agrarian Justice
Noam Chomsky - Notes on Anarchism
Anton Pannekoek - Worker's Councils

Marxist-Leninist:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

Other urls found in this thread:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_economic_reform#Economic_performance_since_reform
scholar.harvard.edu/files/shleifer/files/normal_countries_draft_sept_12_annotated.pdf
twitter.com/SFWRedditImages

we should just a global minimum wage.

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Fuck off cuck

>Sweden

huh ... I've come to expect Canada these days.
Weird.

>average leftist

why would the capitalists let that happen?

Fuck off, human garbage.

You cannot honestly be this dense, right?
If socialism is unable to compete (communes, employee-owned businesses) then it is inherently a poor system.
Socialism doesn't collapse because of a shadowy cabal of capitalists. It collapses because it's a bad system.

but but why would anyone who is profiting off a market skewed in their favour - like the capitalists obviously are, thanks to their influence on regulators, - let the system be reformed into a 'free market'? I mean it's obvious they have a vested interest in a corrupted market and will try preventing a free market from being introduced with their whole force.

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Already one here senpai

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neck yourself commie fags

REMEMBER TO BLOCK LEDDIT RAID THREADS

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Greetings fellow comrades!!!!!! care for some memes i brought from the commune?

>muh safe space

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FAILS 100% OF THE TIME.

desu mods should allow us to fight back
Imagine the chaos that would be leftypol

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t.c u c k

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niggers tongue my anus

lefties are in general total fucking losers

THE STATE MUST BE DISMANTLED FELLOW COMRADES!!!

Takes one to know one, cuck.

Better dead than Red.

Why are so many commies NEET high school dropouts or liberal arts majors? Don't they realize that they would be forced to slave away in a factory under communism? It's not like communism will magically grant you a job relevant to being an artist. The demand for those jobs will probably be even less.

>hey i have a brilliant idea, lets go to Sup Forums and annoy them and provoke them that will surely make them all agree with us

they will never learn

Brick walls are more reasonable than these cucks.

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Where do the businesses get the money to pay the workers?

crapitalism... UGH..... uber fail!!!

Mm yes. I gotta love how China became far richer and less poor as a result when Deng got rid of the communist and socialism meme and embraced capitalism.

>China's economic growth since the reform has been very rapid, exceeding the East Asian Tigers. Economists estimate China's GDP growth from 1978 to 2013 at between 9.5% to around 11.5% a year. Since the beginning of Deng Xiaoping's reforms, China's GDP has risen tenfold.[28] The increase in total factor productivity (TFP) was the most important factor, with productivity accounting for 40.1% of the GDP increase, compared with a decline of 13.2% for the period 1957 to 1978—the height of Maoist policies. For the period 1978–2005, Chinese GDP per capita increased from 2.7% to 15.7% of U.S. GDP per capita, and from 53.7% to 188.5% of Indian GDP per capita. Per capita incomes grew at 6.6% a year.[29] Average wages rose sixfold between 1978 and 2005,[30] while absolute poverty declined from 41% of the population to 5% from 1978 to 2001.[31]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_economic_reform#Economic_performance_since_reform

Communists and socialists BTFO for all eternity. Watch how Cuba adopts capitalist reforms too and becomes far richer as a result.

We don't need to convert them.
We just need to make the board unreadable because of the amount of shitpost per second

So why is Marinaleda, Spain doing well for itself?

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>Socialism
Alright!

The people who own that graveyard aren't communists as far as I know.

Materialism is decadent, degenerate and not the basis for the higher spheres of society. Identity, belonging and high culture is perennial and not the result of mediated economic interaction.

NOT REAL COMMUNISM REEEEEEEEEE

don't know. I believe it has something to do with feeling powerless while simultaneously expecting everything handed to them.
but what I'd really like to know is how they see themselves and how they perceive communism.

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>ex-ussr countries are now better off under capitalism than at any point under the ussr

scholar.harvard.edu/files/shleifer/files/normal_countries_draft_sept_12_annotated.pdf

Capitalism wins again.

CULTURE IS A SPOOK
IDENTITY IS A SPOOK

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NOT REAL COMMUNISM REEEEEEEEEE

Anyone want to take bets when the leftards can't take getting shat on in every thread thread they make?
I'd give it a few weeks at most.

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and yet when you introduce communism you get pic related.

>A SQUARE IS A CIRCLE
>"no it isn't"
>LOL STUPID COMMIES IF IT'S A SQUARE NAMED "CIRCLE" THEN IT'S A CIRCLE

>only way to shut down another political ideology is to spam it with minion memes

Sup Forums 2016

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>Patriotic Socialist
>mfw Sup Forums hates me because I'm left
>mfw /leftypol/ hates me because I'm not left enough
>mfw I wage war against fascists AND communists

I thought these threads are full of people pretending to be gommies

you seem upset comrade!!! rejoice for revolution will come soon!!!!

Yeah. That's not what I was saying at all.

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based minion poster

Why don't you go back to r/socialism where they ban you for posting anything questioning the idea of socialism. Just like how it would work in an actual socialist country.

Are you George Orwell?

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What a surprise a Swede who is a leftist

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WE'RE NOT SJW'S GUYS STOP IT

/leftypol/ threads are constantly shit on by Sup Forums fucks. This is our natural environment.

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Please describe to me how work under socialism is not "Slavery" yet somehow it is under capitalism.

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Seriously, what's up with these """"left"""" threads lately?

>I am a communist

Sup Forums IS OURS NOW PORKIE

GET USED TO IT!!!

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>minion poster
Tad pathetic desu

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dumping in this shitty /leftypol/ raid thread

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>heh I see you almost made me defend my flawed system
>but don't you know, it wasn't REAL socialism

You are scum. Socialism inevitably enables communism, and weakens nationalism. You are the reason idiotic leftist girls welcome refugees to rape and strangle them.

Fucking please remove yourself from any position of influence and recluse yourself to a immigrant neighborhood for punishment.

Reminder both Capitalism or Communism aren't the answer.

Take the third alternative.

FASCISM FOR THE MILLION

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We never took them seriously to begin with.
Why bother with the memes?

You actually get the fruits of your labour, unlike capitalism where it goes to your boss.

>receives millions from the state of Andalucia
>founded in lands stolen from other people
>people actually abandoned it and it has less people than it had in 1978 (before the commie shit)
Seems like a realization of socialist memes, stealing money from others to make an utopic society for themselves.
>now imagine if the spanish government didn't give them money and they had to survive only with the things they produce

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so when are you finally gonna take the red pill then?

Every time.

You socialists and communists are so caught up in definitions and being incredibly pedantic that you refuse to see the forest for the trees.

Every time your utopian ideology was adopted or tried it has resulted in poverty and collapse.

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Fascism is just a radical reinstatement of the status-quo, capitalism.

nice PORKIE propaganda!!!

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Lenin and Marx were bankrolled by bankers

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