>Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi has suffered a heavy defeat in a referendum over his plan to reform the constitution, exit polls suggest. An exit poll on state broadcaster RAI suggests 42-46% voted to back reform, compared with 54-58% voting No. Two other polls gave the No vote a similar lead of at least 10 points. Mr Renzi, who has said he would resign if he lost the vote, is due to make a statement at midnight (23:00 GMT) from his official residence in Rome.
>The referendum was regarded as a barometer of anti-establishment sentiment in Europe.
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basically it is (apparently would have, eh) a reform to put an end to the perfect bicameral system that govern system, plus some other things
Samuel Diaz
apparently I can't even English now, thanks Italian education!
>captcha: pizzaria
Christian Martinez
I lack perspective on your government. Would the reform expand it or shrink it?
Christopher Phillips
short answer: shrink
Isaiah Barnes
>I lack perspective on your government. Would the reform expand it or shrink it?
You know how the federal structure of the US gives each individual state some power to determine its own laws. Italy does something similar. The proposed "reforms" in Italy would have done away with that and given the central Italian government far more power.
Aaron Mitchell
>yfw Italian Blackshirts cuck the shit out of the Germanics
Nolan Rogers
happy to be on the winning side
Aaron Hill
This. And the central government is shit.
Owen Torres
happy to be on the winning side... ppic attached my vote
translated: Thanks everybody, anyway. In a few minutes I'll be live from Palazzo Chigi. P.S. I'm coming, I'm coming! :)
Jason Hill
Ok now that Renzi is down.
Who the fuck do we even fucking vote? There is NOT EVEN ONE (1) DECENT PARTY OR GUY TO BE ELECTED.
I'm not saying that Renzi was good, I'm just saying that yes or not Italy is fucked anyway. No point in celebrating this victory, because it's hollow as fuck. We don't get assfucked today, but we'll be tomorrow.
Aaron Rivera
>SWAG NeGri
Nathaniel Evans
Salvenee?
Camden Lee
tldr:
1)governement would be able to override regional powers just by declaring that their decision is "national interest" (housing niggers is national interest)
2) change to the senate is made to ensure that whatever the next government is they have a chamber to block whatever they need the "italy doensn't legislate fast enough" is a meme, go check the numbers
Blake Hall
Is it accurate to say that The reason why it failed is because Northern Italians and Sicilians want Federalism?
Josiah Harris
The only goal now should be to dismantle the EU so Mi5 seems like the best pick, even though they're a meme party. You still have Lega Nord, too.
Hudson Sanders
Thank you Italy.
Don't see why the left call us divisive, they've never been on here to see all cultures and countries unite to laugh at them on nights like this.
Probably yes. Also explains our vote (IT FEELS SO GOOD RIGHT NOW).
Colton Wood
ITALIA
Julian Price
Mafioso 5 stars are so incompetent it's not even funny.
Robert Sanders
Does anyone know if Renzi's speech will be played internationally on BBC or something? Post link to a English speaking stream if anyone has plox.
Juan James
she is a fake normie, her old blogs are nerdy as fuck, a wolf among sheep
Samuel Gonzalez
Copying this from the other thread because people have to see this:
I don't see why the yes vote would be so bad.
The problem is with the equal bicameralism of the Italian Parliament. Both the Senate and the Chamber of Deputies are elected, but different electoral systems are used to elect the MP's. This means that with relatively similar results, the number of seats can vary wildly in different chambers.
Now, normally this wouldn't be a problem. This happens in many countries. The problem is that in most countries, the upper chamber is much weaker. It can't block bills forever, initiate votes of no confidence or block budgets, just to name a few. Upper chambers generally just scrutinize the legislation of the lower chamber. This is called unequal bicameralism
Now, since both chambers are equal this creates a massive clusterfuck since one party can have majority in the other chamber and one party can have a majority in the other, and since the chambers are equal nothing gets done and everything goes to shit. Since both chambers are equal, there's also no one to scrutinize the bills since party politics engulfs both chambers, which in effect fucks up the whole idea of having a bicameral parliament.
The only other country with this kind of equal bicameralism is the States, and you know what the approval rating of Congress is like.
t. pol sci student
Connor Long
my fucking sides
Aaron Hughes
Kek
Jackson Lee
nice
Owen Stewart
>mfw even media here in Norway says Your Choice was between "plague or cholera"
You are fucked.
Dylan Sanchez
>memeoni the only good thing she did was keeping all that cum in her pussy and have a child She's a meme candidate you know, is right
also >italo/pol/ general when
Zachary Martin
Fucking Masia.
Jeremiah Flores
Thank you Italy. And fuck you Austrian cucks for ruining the winning streak.
Kayden Walker
Because fuck centralization, that's why. The problem is the change of the "Titolo V" that would give all the powers from the regions to the central government. Fuck that, what we need is federalism.
Benjamin Bailey
explain to me why she is a meme candidate, don't try the "after me only darkness" by renzi
Charles Wood
Didn't Italy hang a dictator with leather shoes or something during WW2? Now they're crashing all of Germany's hard work with no survivors.
Italy confirmed for being crazy motherfuckers, based as fuck. Everyone except the Austrians and Germans should feel proud about Europe today.
Wyatt Scott
If I'm understanding it correctly, it would be bad because they will use their newly centralized power to further their globalist schemes. They can ignore the "racist provincials" and accept as many refugees as they want, etc.
Noah Walker
This, and the EU would have taken all that power.
Lucas Sanders
attenzione al voto estero
Jace Hernandez
Tranquillo, รจ finita.
Kevin Anderson
Its pretty apparent why it would be bad, and Im saying this as someone who knows nothing about Italian politics
The centralized government wants to import and house more niggers and towel headed savages into the country, but the individual states (or whatever they are called) refuse this because its retarded and tell them to fuck off.
All this would have done is robbed the states of their ability to refuse and resist the great cuckening of Europe. You can talk about other cases all you want, but thats what its really all about
Kayden Sullivan
As Pietro explained, it was largely a referendum on centralism. Centralism is cancer in general, but especially in Italy. It is a decent candidate for best culture but politically it is almost as fake a non-country as Belgium.
Cameron Lopez
yeee haww wonderful review Mr. Student.
We will wait for you while you figure out the vote had very little to do with the Senate.
It was about Renzi, and the chance to give him the finger. How long will it take for you to figure it out ?
Christian Howard
ITALY NO
Isaac Butler
Come next year the Anglos, French, Italians and Dutch can once more band together and purge the Kraut menace from our lives before they ruin Europe once again.
Fuck the Germanic Hordes Fuck the Habsburgs Fuck the Kaiser Fuck Merkel
Jace Smith
how based is he? I think he's some sort of next gen weaponizable AI fuckery that can only speak in statistics and such >pic related that stare, clearly not human
Colton Parker
>pol sci degree HAHAHAHAHA
Nicholas Bell
Have we started the fire?
I guess it's also over now though since Austria joined their cucked, dickless brethren in Germany and voted for more Islam.
Carson Gutierrez
Is it happening??? Is Renzi resigning???
Jayden Peterson
Heres to another one famalam.
Jackson Lopez
Literally.
SHADILAY, BROTHERS!
Isaiah Hughes
Pizzamuncher, is this a good thing or a bad thing?
Gavin Sanders
What did he say? I missed it.
Samuel Hill
...
Brayden Martin
Renzi publicly saying he's lost IT'S DONE GUYS
Leo Phillips
...
Josiah Martinez
>I don't see why a cuck party devoted to destroying Europe having more power to pass laws and less chance of these laws blocked by the democratic process is bad
Gee, can't think of any problems with it.
Justin Gray
>1)governement would be able to override regional powers just by declaring that their decision is "national interest" (housing niggers is national interest)
Well then good for ITALY NO.
Aiden Young
CAN WE HAVE A 1000 POSTS SLIDE THREAD LIKE THE ONES MODS PREPARE FOR THE AMERIFAG ELECTIONS?
OR ARE WE TOO 2ND-WORLD TO DESERVE IT?
Austin Taylor
I've never heard italian spoken before why does it sound so much nicer than spanish?
Xavier Carter
F
Aaron Russell
The latter I guess. Y'all would have got one if it was a EU referendum, though.
How badly do you think Merkel will shit her bed tonight? First no UK ally, then no Hillary Clinton, and now righteous anger even in Italy.
Hope Merkel is proud of herself. If WW2 is anything to go by, even amidst its own allies the German CANNOT be trusted. Germany wanted to sell Mexico a war with the US and they didn't bite, they can smell bullshit from a mile away.
Wherever the German goes, the German must lie.
Robert King
FUORI DA FUORI DA FUORI DAI COGLIONI RENZI DI MERDA FUORI DAI COGLIOOONIIIIIIIIIII
Austin Morgan
I think the French and Dutch are going to cuck out like Austria.
It's going to be the Anglo's up against the Germanic hordes once again.
With Greece and Italy running around fighting fog covered trees and the odd Turk and North African.
