Let's talk philosophy

but first, nietzsche.

what's the general opinion on his criticisms of nihilism/ his views in total?

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Generology of Morals, and "master and slave" morality were breddy gud desu

His critisism on Immanuel Kant is great. Actually Nietzsche was a best phylosoph for me. After reading his works i stopped looking into philosophy.

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>that pic
oh look another 'le hitler neetshe' meme

>I stopped looking

I know that feel too m8

But thats mainly because it got fucking convulted on both the American and European side

Fucking post-modernists and fucking logicians

What philosophical books had you generally read before him?

Too edgy and his philosophy breaks down in light of current science

He says there was nothing and there will be nothing but we know that even the inexplicable and insane (like momentum in massless objects) are possible and that things still hide in the dark and between every centimeter of space

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i do like genealogy of morals and it's talk bout the relative sameness of "good" and "bad", but ZARATHRUSTRA IS WHERE ITS AT
fuck yeah with two 8's
yknow i can kind of rate to this, i feel that nietzsche taught me that else that can be thought through philosophy i can learn myself from experience.

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Thats a more appropriate critique of Hume desu

Literally "that edgy philospher", but he was edgy at a time when it was cool

used it cuz it's aesthetically pleasing to look at

don't quite know why neetsjuh keeps getting put in with the crowd of fascists, but then again i never quite looked into fascism.

i think he was edgy either for those sweet youtube views or because our boy had the auts. still love him though

The link between Nietzsche and Nazism is hugely exaggerated. Hitler admired Nietzsche in so much as he was a prominent German philosopher, and also appreciated some of his ideas.

But Nietzsche would have hated Nazism. He abhorred nationalism and viewed the Germans in particular as a particularly undeserving nation. He could be described as the ultimate individualist whereas Nazism was collectivist.

tl;dr any analysis of Nietzsche that begins from a standpoint of conflating his ideas with Nazism is doing you a disservice.

>what's the general opinion on his criticisms of nihilism/ his views in total?
I think his views on the origin of morality make a very compelling argument and I like them a lot. You should read the Genealogy of Morals for a succinct overview of Nietzche's most important ideas.

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retard

Kant, Schopenhauer, Sartr, Spinosa, Leibniz, Marx, Nagarjuna. Thats all i can remember for now. Not all of them were bad. Nagarjuna, Marx and Nietzsche really worth time and effort as for me.

opinion on the concept of an ubermensch?
pros:
>cool guy, doesn't afraid of anything
>is the creator of his own fate
>incorruptible when given power

cons:
>"everyone hates the man who flies"

>i do like genealogy of morals and it's talk bout the relative sameness of "good" and "bad", but ZARATHRUSTRA IS WHERE ITS AT
you need to go back

couldn't agree more, he's always seemed like the anti-fascist type.

this thread is really wanting me to read back up on GoM

Its pronounced NEET-CH-ZEE

>anti fascist

Compared to what?? He'd of preferred Nazis to Marxist scum

nietchzy?
nietzsche is spelled weirdly but it ain't gonna sound that fuckin weird, the furthest i'd go is neets-schei
wth, explain yourself dude

both are equally dogmatic, i hadn't meant "anti fascist" in the "antifa" sense, i simply typed it with a "non-collectivist" denotation.

nietzsche would disprove of both i think

i am clicking on so many pictures of storefronts to defend myself

Never read him. Seemed like it would be falling for a meme. I did read Machiavelli first in school then many times, sun tzu, tried to get thru clauswitzes on war but couldn't grind thru to the end, Livy, Socrates, and I'm working on some Aristotle (politics and poetry). Out of them all I find machiavelli most useful. I very much enjoy the way he illustrates how to use subtlety and flamboyant displays of power to control individuals and entire populaces. His view of the world as a web of strategic options is fun to use.

>Seemed like it would be falling for a meme.
All philosophers are memes
I can guarantee you that if nothing else, Nietzsche is a more interesting read than most other philosophers.

funny you should say that, i remember being an edgy teenager and reading PRINCE—
i was absolutely fascinated at the ability to manipulate people.
i kind of glossed over the ancients, except the republic-which was pretty ok. are you in college?

I was. Imo you should give prince another chance because he talks at length on the variety of vices and virtues of man and they are useful proverbs. Just sayin. My main interest is history and military theory so the ancients do a beautiful job of mixing all those aspects together.

it's a lost art, aintit?

Cool. Next time I'm at Barnes and noble. Oh I forgot to mention l read and really enjoyed candide by Voltaire. And out of curiosity where does Huxley's a brave new world or Orwell's animal farm weigh in on the philosophy scale for y'all. I found them very redpilling.

Yeah I definitely think there is something missing from the modern approach that has seemed to abandoned interdisciplinary thinking. I love behavioral economics and neuropsychology for the way they approach problems.

>philosophy

Huxley and got me into philosophy. Specifically doors of perception.

My favorite is when Descartes mentions that "how can I be certain of anything?", although I only read the summary of that work, and other than that I've read practically nothing else, and I also believe I'll never find something so intuitive like that in another philosophical work, they're all just so unbelievably under-whelming in their ideas and thinking

Anyone who buys that connection is dingus-tier.

Nietzsche was extremely anti-nationalist and renounced his citizenship without repatriating. His distaste for anti semitism also lead to his friendship with Wagner. Thinking Nietzsche could possibly inspire a bunch of collectivist race-identity-politicking takes some extreme leaps in logic.

I'm too drunk to type, please just ignore me.

Nothing special imo, and obviously wrong about many things. He fell prey to the same trap that he took so much joy in censuring others for, which was an over willingness to see patterns where there was only chance
For example, his comments on the Celts, on the Americans, even on the Greeks imo
His stuff can be fun to read if your mind is stuck tho

The only good philosophers of the past two centuries imo were Hegel and Weininger.

This is true, but people who say this usually wish to defend Nietzsche from all moral accusations. The man was absolutely a reactionary.

Nietzsche is my favorite philosopher. Beyond Good & Evil and Genealogy of Morals changed my life.

>Thinking Nietzsche could possibly inspire a bunch of collectivist race-identity-politicking
This is precisely what he hated about the nation state and the only thing he might have loved about Hitler. Nietzsche was more a racialist than even he was imo

Nietzsche himself was no fascist, but some of his ideas (like his hatred of democracy and egalitarianism) can easily be fit into fascist politics. Nietzsche has been used by pretty much every political ideology on both the far right and far left.

How? There is very little original in those books.

Before reading them, I was a classical liberal who believed in Enlightenment morality and philosophy. His takedown of morality was completely new to me and really changed how I think about these things.

Hegel and Kierkegaard were more profound regarding that imo

Who were your favorite enlightenment thinkers btw?

The entire fucking world didn't understand him. Wasn't the whole damn point to move PAST nihilism and become a Ubermench?

Maybe, but I haven't read those two yet. Mostly reading reactionary thinkers these days (de Maistre, Evola, etc.). I was a big fan of Locke mostly, never liked Rousseau. I was (and still am mostly) a hardcore libertarian, so I loved the idea of natural rights and all that.

>the whole world didn't understand him
>oh, I haven't read anything he wrote, I just saw an infographic
>wake up sheeple

gross

The point was to philosophize with a hammer

Yeah, you have good taste senpai. Hegel sort of criticizes the enlightenment without doing away with it as Nietzsche did.

Also, if you want a very interesting enlightenment writer, I would recommend Fontenelle.

Sounds like the sort of thing a German ass would do tbqh

I See Nietzsche in line with Buddhism. The Übermensch is the human being that has transcended the profane human desire of the child people. In his Antichrist he also states that Buddhism is more realistisch than the other religions. Those making him a Nazi are probably precisely those who he said would misunderstand him.

Always makes me laugh went idiots think Nietzsche was advocating atheism and nihilism.

>God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?

He was right though. After all, he did predict the demise of Western Civ

>I See Nietzsche in line with Buddhism.
That's fucking retarded

Orderd Thus spoke zarathustra yesterday

What am in for? Newb to nietzsche

No bully pls

The problem is that he was misunderstood about many things and nihilism has been misconstrued to mean "nothing matters", "life is a bad joke". All the while he was about the victory of life over death.

>Orderd Thus spoke zarathustra yesterday
Really cringeworthy, poorly written stuff. Should have started with the Genealogy of Morals or Beyond Good and Evil, or even Human, All too Human.

The fact that you call the sides "American" and "European" shows that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Well, bookdepository is cheap, ill be back for those soon. Ty

I id the same as you going into Zarathustra first. I could not make it through it. Bought Beyond Good and Evil and Human, All Too Human and read those before going back to Zarathustra and that is what I recommend.

Read him alongside the smug cookie guard. The two of them laid the groundwork for what we today call existentialism. Only after them should you move on to the old spook himself, Max Stirner.

And always remember children, nothing has any meaning, except for what you give it.