USA Argriculture

How the FUCK do we fix US agriculture??????

Its literally 20billion a year to subsidize them....

How do we fix this shit???

$20bn is nothing. You'd be paying much more for food without those subsidies and slightly less in taxes

This
Op needs to study macroeconomics and the value of strategic food stuffs
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>TFW the government doesn't give you extra money for doing your job :(

I want free money for serving food too!

Section 8 and food stamps.

>tfw our farmers aren't entitled fucks

feels good man

STOP
GROWING
CORN

our (((farmers))) use "guest workers" to keep the (((economy))) going strong.

they're subsidized because we want to have them available whenever SHIT HITS THE FAN and we need to grow our own food.

What will we feed the livestock?

You don't think Bono and David Letterman don't deserve millions in farm subsidies just because Bono has a small bee farm that takes up less than 1% of the estate? And Letterman shouldn't be able to get millions in farm subsidies just because he claims his fish ponds on his large rural located estate are "fish farms"? Are you mad?

Dunno. Barley. Let's put it this way. Why grow only corn?

economy of scale and ease of standardization

This

Corn economics must be serious topic.

You really want to sit in a tractor for days and days slowly watching a GPS making sure it's doing your job right?

I know I'm drastically oversimplifying it, but it's the most boring job, laborious job in America.

Threadly reminder that literally like 40% of the EU's annual budget goes to agriculture subsidies and they still wouldn't be able to compete with US if TTIP passed

You would be a maized.

Is the US importing food from elsewhere?

There. Fixed

how much is this going into affording seeds stock and corp pockets?

the stuff they are supposed to eat

Grass

Not efficient it takes way more grass than corn to put on the same weight.

you think you're funny you little shit huh don't you

Those aren't even subsidized crops lol so many retards from the burbs wanna give their two cents on the ag industry

who gives a shit

corn fed livestock are literal trash and just fat as fuck not even meat

So do the americans

We're arguable the largest exporter of corn and wheat in the world

>What will we feed the livestock?

In New Zealand we just let them eat the grass in the paddock. I was pretty confused when I went to a butcher in north america and they were really proud they had 'grass fed' beef .. I was like wtf else would you feed them

Your mom seems comfortable, though.

Section 8 is housing. Food stamps are a great form of ag subsidy tho. Stimulate the free market economy by driving up ag sales while simultaneously feeding the needy. I do not understand why this policy triggers the right so much.

Yeah but our yields are superior.

If you give away free food to people who can't even feed themselves, your community will quickly fill with people who need to be fed.

Because the hide the gibs in the farm bill.

First thing that needs to be done is get rid of the ethanol racket

No, you'd be important considerably cheaper produce at a similar quality from other countries. Burgers can't even free market.

Kiwi here-

No. They absolutely are not.

Every community is a group of ppl that needs to be fed you mouthbreather. No ones going to give up a comfy well paying job to collect food stamps. They don't create poverty. Globalization and automation did that.

Subsidy for food will never disappear. Remember it's the one that eats that is getting subsidized. Otherwise the cost of food will skyrocket.

Stop the insane taxing and get the government completely out of farming as well as banning the government from stealing land for profit from farmers
Not hard

We usually range out beef on pasture but finish them out in feedlots on grain.

Because it's market manipulation, just like section 8 housing. Housing cost will never drop when the rents are kept artificially high with government checks. Landlords don't like to let properties set empty, stop subsidizing rents, and rents go down. Same thing with crops.

This.

>Burgers can't even free market
We invented it
Nine of you faggots even do free market
You're all bastardized mixed market economies who excel in none of the areas it's supposed to be strong in with all of the shortcomings

We fix it by letting the free market be the free market. some of these foods should be more expensive

>Every community is a group of ppl that needs to be fed you mouthbreather.
No some communities are filled with people who can feed themselves and just trade the extras for luxuries.

Their kid may never seek out a comfy well paying job in the first place if they are given all the free food and housing they need.

Globalization and automation don't kill jobs, they allow job creators to more efficiently streamline the creation and exchange of goods and services to a broader audience.

This is just my thing

Why dont we just import more food? Literally its what we've done with every other good in the US, if its too expensive just import the chinese one


Right?

I don't want import cheap wheat from Russia and wait for daddy Putin to spoon feed me his porridge covered penis i didn't say quality was better I said yields were better and theres no arguing that the quantity of our yields in dairy and meat are significantly larger
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You think dependence on foreign oil is bad. Try food..

Being a landlord is in no way analogous to being a farmer and applying what may work for one to another is a fallacy.
"the farmer is the only man that buys everything retail, sells everything wholesale, and pays the shipping both ways."

>Lets import cheap meat from China
>Its tainted and spreads incurable illnesses because they used colistin in the feed
Gonna just avoid that right now.

Well we dont really depend on foreign oil much anymore

We're starting to rely on oil in the US iirc bc of the big breakthroughs in states like texas and North Dakota.

Would it be possible to mainly import food and cut sibsidizing for farms in half?

You do realize we grow more than corn right? The us is the worlds largest exporter of soybeans and wheat.

Why not get it from other places than china?

China sells produce yet the US gets most of its imported produce from mexico

GET OUT LIEV STEINBERG
A community without farms cannot feed itself. Streamlining production is a euphemism needing less employees. Why to (((you))) want to make America weak?

I really wouldn't trust the Beaners for half of their produce either. The biggest issue is that when you open the market totally free you have everybody in play and with countries like China selling at the lowest price possible it will not only out compete domestic and a lot of foreign foodstuffs but you are at risk of massive contamination.

I dont know man. He has my ear on the subject.

Transportation costs as a percentage of total cost is the bitch. You can ship a lot more $s worth of televisions for the same price as a transport of strawberries. Televisions store better and don't need to be refrigerated.

Aw shucks. You made me kek a little.

>A community without farms cannot feed itself.
Automation allows everybody to farm their own food and provide for children and parents, too.

Why do you want individuals to be weak and force the community to fill in the gaps for the profit of giant multinational corporate farms that uses thousands of underpaid workers as ostensible slave labor?

Still there is the issue of enough arable land. Tech isn't nowhere near Good enough to allow for America to let the worlds bread basket go fallow and be replaced. I also do not know why you ppl think the commodity prices wouldn't raise globally when global production of grain crops would be reduced by at least a quarter with a less productive America.

Ah, I see. Fuck man that sucks ass
>tfw only good cheap food is made from gubment gibs

Just?

Shit you're right us pulling out of the market would have a huge effect on prices

Do you think that there is any possible way the govt could pull out of agriculture and food prices could stay at a price close to what it is now?

Lol i don't need food stamps i can just buy this totally inexpensive robot farm.
Will the lies never end?

STOP EATING SO DAMN MUCH

FUCK WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU IDIOTS

Lel that's funny also checked

>gibs me, I don't want to work and my parents are lazy hateful pieces of shit with nothing to pass down because they never wanted me

>"the farmer is the only man that buys everything retail
>and pays the shipping both ways."
You know jack shit about farming.

Joel Salatin

Tough to say for now, at the moment the only thing i would say we aught to do is undue the subsidy on corn since that shit is being used in fucking EVERYTHING.

Corn syrup makes people get fat fast.

You can change your emphasis to crop insurance instead of a check in the mail. But the formulas to qualify to trigger the insurance payouts are inefficient in their own right causing slow or ill timed dispersements which can lead to farms bankrupted in especially hard economic conditions.

That seems pretty spot on. Grain basis is a bitch.

Stop the subsidization. Government interference in economy only ever leads to a shittier economy.

God, I hate LDP trigger rules. The only thing worse than explaining them to 70 year old farmers, is explaining them again the next day.

kek

fugg, so no real way out in sight is there?

That works if all the world's gov'ts stop.

>Projecting this hard
I've forgotten more about it than you know kid. It's been the sole occupation of me and my ancestors. And it's a rhetorical quote from a speech hence the quotation marks. It was just meant to illustrate the differences between being a landlord and a farmer not a summary of an ag biz course.

Cannabis will make America thrive once again in agriculture, all the best weed will come from the US

damn right we stopped all our subsidies and productivity went up

easy, put a tax on red meat. for what it takes to make a single hamburger, you could feed ten people instead with vegetables. meat is a huge waste of resources. you ever drive through the Midwest and see nothing but corn? that isn't for people, that's for cows. soybeans for human consumption are a niche market.

also this

suburbanites are paranoid lunatics in general

>Dust Bowl now!

Idiot

What do you grow? I manage a Coop..

Isnt this a form of socialism
White taxpayers pay so that niggers can afford american produce.

we don't subsides our dairy industry and it is the most productive in the world and places like canada have 300% tariffs and subsidies handed out to farmers

$20 billion? That's a pittance compared to the welfare the military gets.

Wat? The dust bowl didn't go away from government subsidizing farmers. lol. It didn't start from NOT subsidizing either. The 2 things are as related as peanut butter and radial tires.

Sure thing, Mr. Foodstamps are better than farms.

>How the FUCK do we fix US agriculture?
ban imports

What is your job if you don't mind my prying?
Um no but if you think about it government has been subsidizing agriculture since the first grain growers stored their grain in pharaoh's silos. I consider it to be an essential act of a responsible government. How you execute the subsidies is debatable.

but then you will get higher prices because US farmers are not productive

gee, its like when there's no subsidization (aka welfare) its like people figure things out on their own. Who would have thought?

>Um no but if you think about it government has been subsidizing agriculture since the first grain growers stored their grain in pharaoh's silos
This sentence makes me highly suspicious...do you actually know what farm subsidies are?

I manage a farmers cooperative. Grain elevators, fuel, fertilizer, spray service, feed, chemicals, medications, farm store... Most importantly, it seems, I have a DTN and make coffee..

>US farmers are not productive

So just the poor will die, who cares.

Meat is actually a highly efficient source of digestable calories due to the incredible density. Shoo shoo vegan.

if you are productive then why are you not exporting overseas but instead are putting up high tariffs and giving handouts to your farmers

Also...STOP WITH FARMERS NOT PRODUCTIVE IN THE US OH NOES US AGRICULTURE IS IN TROUBLE SHIT
there's literally nothing wrong US agriculture. We feed the fucking world as well as ourselves and still have left overs.

I got paid mine last week.

Feels good.

Fucking cuck doesn't even know what strategic means
You should just buy all your guns from America
Let's ask Iran how her F15 fleet was replenished during the Iran Iraq War

This.

20 billion is absolutely worth keeping food production going for such a large country.

This is what we call a good use for tax money.

stfu OP.

>Its literally 20billion a year to subsidize them....
but at least you're not hungary