This thread is for the discussion of leftism, marxism, socialism, and communism, anarchism, strasserism

This thread is for the discussion of leftism, marxism, socialism, and communism, anarchism, strasserism.

>Socialism is an economic and social system defined by social ownership of the means of production. (Workers democratically own and operate the places in which they work, as opposed to private power aka capitalism)

>The means of production are non-human inputs the create economic value, such as factories, workplaces, industrial machinery, etc. Socialists refer to the means of production as capital, or private property. Private property in the socialist context shouldn't be confused with personal property, such as your home, car, computer, and other possessions.

>In a capitalist society the means of production are owned and controlled privately, by those that can afford them (the capitalist aka those with capital). Production is carried out to benefit the capitalist (production for profit). Workers are paid a wage, and receive that amount regardless of how much value they produce.

>Communism is the highest developed stage of socialism wherein there is no state, no money, no class system. The means of production are owned by all and provide for everyone's needs.

Resources:

ABC's of Socialism: s3.jacobinmag.com/issues/jacobin-abcs.pdf

Introduction to Marxism by Professor Richard D. Wolff: youtube.com/watch?v=T9Whccunka4

Selections of Left-wing Literature:

Anarchist:
theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread

Libertarian:
Mikhail Bakunin - God and the State (short read)
Thomas Paine - Agrarian Justice
Noam Chomsky - Notes on Anarchism
Anton Pannekoek - Worker's Councils

Marxist-Leninist:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

Other urls found in this thread:

youtube.com/watch?v=iJHASLCXA-w
twitter.com/NSFWRedditVideo

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So is this a meme thread so kek can slay more leftists?

Check em

None of those people should be on the baseball field in the first place.

It is unethical to steal from someone to provide for another. Artificially creating equality will never work in the long run. People are simply not equal no matter how much you want to believe they are.

Aaaand Kek gives us a sign.

the correct version of this cartoon is two boys holding onto the fence to peek over, but the one on the right cant be fucked so he's given a box., thats not equality, commie.

how autistic do you have to be to constantly make these threads that just get filled with cuck porn

What about national socialism?

when is the socialist meme gunna end, Venesula fell for it so hard I think it died.

You're no resident.
You're an invading raiderfag that needs to fuck off.
You are obviously a foreign agent here trying to take already claimed territory.

Who gets to determine people's abilities and needs?

post anime, and etcetera

whatever your favourite shit is, I want to see it.

youtube.com/watch?v=iJHASLCXA-w

leaf-user can you rate my waifu?

in what conceivable way could adding the word "national" make it work you inbred cretin

6.5/10 based solely on that picture.

>that bait image

It's a raid by autistic leftists

>it's a /leftypol/ shill thread where some bernout says socialism works because of the nordic model but then i point out that sweden is on track to become the next greece, norway is hardly traditional socialism with its strong free markets and nationalized businesses that operate like businesses rather than than crony tax havens and that the only reason why those even work is because of homogenized demographics and much smaller scales

Equality would be a chain link fence so no one has to stand on a fucking box

>The only reason it failed was because people undermined it

That stupid ass logic can be applied to any ideology. That doesn't make it true retard. You can say the same thing about national socialism.

When we talk about democracy, do we include the Democratic People's Republic of Korea just because it's got Democratic in the name?

>my ideology so weak it can't defend itself
the best ideology comes with the best army

The fuck are you talking about?

Watching the fat on her belly jump around as she shakes is so fucking disgusting

He is saying you should kill yourself

did she died

if people don't want your stupid ideology, maybe it's because it sucks

>please be nice sheeples and let me enslave you

is this another of the redditor "raid" attemps?
do you think if you just flood the board with commie spam long enough, it will magically convert us to your side? lmao

>make it cool be leftist

YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP

It won't be OP, that's for certain.

Therefore communism is the best ideology of the last century you complete fucking retard. The Soviet Union controlled 15% of the world's land.

I'd be curious if it could work with a non-meme ideology, nobody sane would fall for sjw, communism or anarchism

Are we looking at the same picture? It appears that the workers (the only people who matter) love it, the only people who don't are the kikes at the top.

go for a ride

I'm canadian you dumbass, landmass means nothing when almost all of it is uninhabiable.

lets talk about your flawed ideology in China or NK, perfect equality and bad human rights, same for Vietnam, same for USSR or Cambodia under commies. One day you'll grow up OP, until then, back to >>>?mlp?

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>people have the top have power
who holds the guns ? true power is always in the people who hold the guns, the guy at the top only owes it's power to his ability to sway people's opinion. If people liked your idea they would have taken arms and imposed it no matter what. Look at the french revolutuon, they not only beat their government but 2 foreign armies.

so now the soviet union is communist?

everyone post nigger. this is how a nigger hate thread

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Socialism only works if everyone has high IQ. Sorry reddit.

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Soviet Union defeated Nazi Germany. Therefore communism is better than national socialism.

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Some people in the Commietard party who are more “equal” than you are.

hence the constant revolutions, no?

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did I ever claim to be natsoc ?

not to mention they needed help from nearly every fucking country on earth fighting on a 2nd front to not have every last one of their men die.

Blacks don't use condoms. That's why you don't date a chick who has fucked a black guy

Why is it that the left think it should dictate people into not being assholes?

What happened to freedom?

The funny thing is the large pool of western constitutional rights recognize this fact but they aren't acting upon in as they should.

They are for the most part capitulating to the victimhood mentality and it will be the fall of the west.

It's no wonder we've seen no intelligent life in this universe. I'd avoid us too if i could find zero objective truth in the civilization i just happened upon.

yes, revolution is inevitable for as long as people change, governments are fairly unstable on the historic scale.

Equality is a social construct

old school democratic socialism without the sjw bullshit and mass immigration honestly works great

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Art and beauty derive from suffering. To know happiness is to also know it's contextual opposite, that of pain, and one truly cannot appreciate the former without knowing the latter, just as one cannot appreciate the summer without the winter.

All art incorporates agony and struggle. The individual struggle of an individuals creates a piece of work, something given has no value, it is through work one derives value because one cannot assign value unless through suffering, otherwise it's state of being is meaningless.

This is why utopianism, and the foolish triviality of equality, is absolutely less desirable than that of an unequal state of primordial emotion. All the pain wrought through history, and the poverty, sickness and plague, and the long hours wasted away, serve nothing but to drive the individual to overcome.

The peak of a civilization, and what it achieves, is only through individual achievement, the merging of Beauty and Action.

And eternity of boredom in a state in which all things are shared and all men are pulled down from any kind of heights, is similar to that of cutting all the roses of a garden to the same height, not allowing the most beautiful and tallest to flourish in the sun.

I am not equal to anyone. The sooner you realize this, the better.

Boo hoo you pathetic materialistic loser. I have come to terms with suffering and realized it's a necessity in nature, why can't you?

If it weren't for them, the war would've been lost. Either way, Nazi Germany lost a war while the Soviet Union won many wars to form the biggest empire of the last 100 years and only died because of Gorbachev.

Do you think communism is better than natsoc or not?

Um, no. In the socialist pic, the taller people need to have their legs cut off to size.

thats one of the first thing i ever asked my gf is if she ever fucked any niggers.
That is a deal breaker

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the US was way more powerful than germany in both ww1 and ww2, not to mention us had nukes and weren't afraid to use them.

possibly. but it would have to be staunchly right-wing to not immediately stand out as a foreign element on Sup Forums.

like, i imagine that such an attempt at broadcasting propaganda into Sup Forums could work with hardcore american constitutionalism, as in literal 1776 back-to-the-roots style stuff. neutered federal government, tons of states rights, only land-owning white men get the right to vote, near total economic liberty, foreign policy of strict isolationism. you could probably make that stick on Sup Forums with sufficient effort.

but this would of course defeat their whole point, since it would barely move Sup Forums to the left at all, just slightly alter it to a slightly different shade of right.

Socialism doesn't work, look at the USSR... Oh wait, it's collapsed.

don't reply unironically to these people.

Are you literally autistic? USSR threw millions of men at the Nazis, just to win. If it weren't for them your entire pussy continent would be speaking Deutsch.

yes, natsoc's problem is that it can't survive without constant conquest to keep fueling the flames of nationalism, it will inevitably burn itself.

Socialism is more stable, in a sense it's just a les efficient dictatoship in that it's major problem is simply that it concentrate too much power.

As for communism, it isn't actually achievable but if it was it would share the same problems as anarchy.

You're trying to dodge the question. Which is a better ideology, communism or natsoc?

>thowing men as positions machine guns
>relevant

they were irrelevant, the US could have by itself, US manpower and technology was just supperior.

>Soviet Union defeated Nazi Germany
After the US started sending supplies

The Wehrmacht made it all the way to Moscow.

The west could only dream of controlling the sibirean taiga,so much Lebensraum and we couldnt have it...

Fuck leftists. Marxist scum.

not dodging the question "better" is meaningless, "better" requires a metric for comparison. The only reasonable metric for an ideology is it's stability, in other words, it's ability to stand he test of time.

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>communist '''''education''''''
Hitler didn't want to conquer a fucking continent.

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You're fucking delusional, m8
The USSR was a total shithole, and they won this war only thanks to the enormous patience and patriotism of Soviet people, being contantly terrorized by brainless gommunist, responsible for thousands of dead people that wouldn't die if Stalin prepared for war and didn't trust Hitler more than his own spies.

>Posting Equity and calling it Equality.
In the bin it goes

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>You're trying to dodge the question
And you've spent this whole thread dodging arguments from all manner of people.

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In that picture he is a good communist, just like the ceausesti

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imo removing the people's freedom to choose is more oppressive than the opportunity to work exchange for capital.

Why can't Leftists clean up their trash? Their Parties always leave countries looking like pigsties.

these people are the new ctr

Equality of Outcome, or Equity, is a fucking terrible idea. Never suggest it again.

>leftism, marxism, socialism, and communism, anarchism, strasserism.

Or in other words shit that doesn't work

lefties always do this. I've never seen a /leftypol/ post with a coherent argument.

>they were irrelevant, the US could have by itself, US manpower and technology was just supperior[sic].
AHAHAHA you fucking retard. I'd bet $20 you're under 18.

Without capitalism, there wouldn't be a baseball team, a stadium, a game, or even a fence or a box. And the three people would be wearing hemp woven sacks.

Fail.

This world could use more dead commies

and where the justice for the ppl who paid for the tickets?

News flash kiddo: Arguments that you disagree with are still arguments.