Venezuela user, how is Socialism treating you?

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I'd argue that venezuela's current state is a result of crony capitalism rather than socialism.

While they did talk a lot about socialism, they've actually take very few steps in that direction.

Most of the problems come from the fact that the government is run like a mafia and that you can only advance by having blood ties to the ruling family or being a close friend.

Where are the Venezuelan anons?

I was there a few weeks ago.

From what I gathered, about four years ago a couple of venezuelan IPs started posting child porn in hug quantities, this would have been a problem but moot said fuck it and range banned the whole country.

The only way to post from venezuela is to be a Sup Forums pass cuck user.

Remember, every venezuelan flag you see paid for a Sup Forums pass.

They only have three hours of electricity a day. Maybe they have more important things to do with those three hours than talk to faggots like you.

Guys....Its not TRUE Socialism !

Not true, he only banned one of their ISPs. The largest one, true, but only one ISP.

And the pass has nothing to do with it.

Thanks to President Maduro, everyone in Venezuela is now a millionaire!

His government has printed 1.6 trillion bolivars in the last 50 days, more than tripling the amount of money in circulation.

The economic crisis is solved! And you faggots said Communism doesn't work.

>mfw socialism worked so well that now everyone's a millionaire

I'm amazed they were even print that money because just a couple months ago they were too out if money to print more money. You read that right.

Venezuela is such a shithole they don't even have their own functioning mint to print their own currency and have to pay private coporations in Europe to do so for this. Just a couple months ago they were too broke to pay these companies and had been cut off from the printing of new bills.

Man, without Venezuelan anons it's just not the same with these threads.

Bump for communist tears

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Reporting in, watching it all burn.

Meanwhile, Maduro says that A FUCKING WEBSITE is fucking our economy up. Yes, it's this retarded. All commies should be gassed.

Fuck my shit up familia.

What do you do for a living? Do you try to spend the cash ASAP?

I'm a software engineer. Graduated a couple of months ago and I'm still living with my parents.

>Do you try to spend the cash ASAP?

No need for that, it is barely enough to buy food anyways. Most of my money I earn working online and keep it safe on my paypal.

Planning on leaving the country?
I left around 2013 thanks to my spanish nationality and now I live in Germany, having a degree helps a lot.
Also are you using intel or bought a pass?

>Planning on leaving the country?

Pretty much everyone is. I'm not doing that just yet though.

>Also are you using intel or bought a pass?

Sorry, what did you mean by this? I'm not leaving just yet as I said if that's what you asked.

Autocorrect fucked me, are you using Inter or bought a Sup Forums pass to post?
Are you in Caracas or monte y culebra?

Pic is our new 500 bill.

hows germany for a venezuelan ? did you learn german ? did you move with a wife ?

>I'd argue that venezuela's current state is a result of crony capitalism rather than socialism.
Because of crony capitalism you have food for 5000% price, without it you would not have it at all.

>costa rica

>viva fiddddeellllllhh

Patetic. Kys latinx scum.

Oh lol.

Yeah, I'm using Inter so I don't need a pass to post unlike those who use CANTV :^) It's also fucking terrible. I live in monte y culebra (Maracaibo).

>Pic is our new 500 bill.
Just cuck my shit up already.

So, "EL SOCIALISMO DEL SIGLO 22" when?

>Venezuela
>having electricity
Nice proxy there faggot.

Like always we Venezuelans find our way through.

I first worked for a year in Barcelona and some friends told me that things were better over in Germany so I moved to their place, in this case I had it easy but if you don't have friends also leaving the country you fucked up somewhere.

I worked at a coffee shop while learning german for 6 months while I credited my degree and did the TestDaF afterwards.

Moving out of your home country is tough but if you have the motivation you can pull off anything.

I'm a weeb so no gf.

But the proxy would need electricity too Pooland.

Those degenerates are flocking over here in droves, and apparently the EU wants us to house 2000 of those "refugees".

You are getting the shit tier Venezuelans, but they'd rather live in poverty than living in paranoia of being killed everyday.

Cool, been to Germany, its way too cucked to live there for me, cannot stand the refugees and the weird autistic culture and shitty weather, best way is to set up a business online so you can move wherever you want.

I forgot to mention that I you are living my dream because I happen to love learning german and always wanted to live either in Germany, Austria or Switzerland.

Did you know german at all before moving there? How long did it take for you to learn?

Dude. Weed. It's the government. People in power are hoarding all the electricity. Also it was a joke.

And funny things during the time that you posted Poles were recognized even if for sake of racism.

>burger education

>2014
Update it and then we will talk, commie.

>fuck off they're full

>a result of crony capitalism rather than socialism

You see, Moshe, it's not that socialism failed, it just wasn't real socialism.

"Again?"

Getting real sick of your attitude Moshe.

"Didn't we say it was real socialism back when the country was doing better?"

They didn't say 'no backsies'.

>poverty goes down
>more and more people need pension

Commie logic

Why don't just the army take out Maduro and execute?
Are they that cucked?

Also, Maduro means a testicle in a vulgar way in bulgarian.

*execute him

Obligatory

And then the new currency will hyper-inflate and it will start all over again.
>Not real Socialism. It's Capitalism's fault xd
Go b 2 Red.det.

I won't defend anything going on in Venezuela right now.

But despite all this Chavez and Muduro are still fairly popular.

That goes to show that what the fuck the previous administrations were doing with the country wasn't that great either.

You cannot just ignore 50% of the country as if they don't exist and think everything will be just fine.

So what you're trying to say is, is that it's not real socialism?

Refugees are a big problem, but coming from a shithole country where life is cheap as fuck I find this problem as "hobo people asking for money on the street instead of getting a job".

I'll never get robbed thanks to my 360° venezuelan PTSD radar and the money is good.

When it comes to learning any language follow this 3 steps.

Find a X nationality who wants to learn spanish and have long conversations atleasts thrice a week.

Read

Find a way to have Y language in your daily life.

He's still popular because he gave housing to a shit load of poor people and they can take this away if you vote against, this also counts if you are a public worker and end up losing the only income to feed your family.

Kim Jong-Il and Un seem pretty popular as well in North Korea

The army is supporting the current government :)

They get rich by letting drugs go through the country, then they move to USA or EU with millions of dollars.

While he's a retarded commie faggot with the typical "hurr durr its not real socialism guyse!" He has a point with the whole government being run like a mafia and that only people with family ties, or similar influences get far in those countries.
It also happens here, and you end up with people in high offices who don't have a fucking clue of what to do pr how to do their jobs all because they got there because a family member put them there, just benefits.

Venezuela has too many non-whites
It will Allways be a shit hole

>implying Venezuelas current economic problems are due to socialism
You dumb motherfucker

Yes I get that. All I'm saying is, the previous administration should have done that and then they wouldn't have been ousted. It wouldn't have costed them their villas or anything.

I don't get how they were so incompetent. It's basic knowledge that you need to appease everyone, somewhat.

No. Poor Venezuelans genuine support the regime. It's not comparable.

All Venezuelans are shit, user. Don't go lecturing me on foreign immigrants when you can barely keep "peaceful" migrants from raping your women.

Not real state capitalism either.

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>Graphic doesn't take account of 2015-2016
Nice try telesur

t. /leftypol/

You say that when your country was sucking Venezuelas dick to survive with tourism.

Your ancestors would've killed to live in the Venezuela of the 20th century.

I remember my trip there when I was young, it was a shithole.

Guise, I have a degree and don't get a decent job and live with my parents, I take it capitalism has failed yes?

>socialism degrades to nepotism
Imagine that. Oh but don't forget communism has never been tried, goyim!

>Telesur
topkek

>avg annual inflation
According to government statistics perhaps and we all know those are bullshit.

>unemployment
Sure, when every capable person is leaving the fucking country you will get more vacant jobs.

>extreme poverty
And you reduced all of the middle class to a "poverty" state. Yay!

>pension recipients
Now it's meaningless due to hyperinflation.

>access to university
Paid with everyone's taxes. Also all public universities are in a terrible state. And teachers are always protesting due to shitty wage.

weak b8

Once again you stormweenies and lolbertarians fail to comprehend the genius of the socialist economic order. The government is simply applying innovative measures to solve the toilet paper shortage.

Before Venezuelans wasted hours in line exchanging money for toilet paper - this is over! Now they can just open up their wallets, smile at Comandante Bolivar and wipe!

Call me when capitalists solve a market failure this quickly.

Praise Chavez-ghost-bird!

>implements socialism over a period
>things start to fall apart
>with a straight face blames capitalism
Nah corruption is very common in socialism communism.
More and more i consider the far left a mental ilness in the sense that they deliberate have to lie to others including themselves in order to pretend their positions have any legitimacy. And also act with either threats or ridicule towards people who disagree. Even when they are factually wrong about what they talk about it is almost like they dont care. They just try to convince or trick people into believing incorrect things anyways. Denmark is not socialist. I can say this to them 50 times and its like they dont care. And its like that dealing with the far left. You would think you would base oppinions on facts but they do not. They base their oppinions on what they would like in their heads to be the case. Its almost like a cult of wishful thinking. And when they run into pragmatic problems everything else gets the blame.

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Eating each other

>not real socialism

Why are you guys even arguing about socialism anymore?
Venezuela was some weird ideology mixup and it has the same faith as any other nation- it implodes after some time.

USA is crumbling since USSR crumbled, EU is fucked etc. Its not ideology that fucks nation up, its people themselves.

No.

Socialism is cancer.

Not even germans made it work

Kys

And Capitalism works so good, USA is true beacon of prosperity and they recovered since 2008.

Point is people are greedy assholes in whatever society they happen to be and that wont change.

i saw one early today. he said internet there is shit, and probably not most everyone can have access to it. i guess socialism is not working that well since op won by venezuela´s MIA

Theres no reason why some nations do poorely and has nothing to do with any ideology.
Wow really? So essentially cause and effect does not exist atleast not when socialism and communism fails for the umpteenth time to the misery of the people who try it we are told its nothing to do with this and just spontaniously gradually imploded i guess? So with that in mind no wonder communists want to try that again also.

Hey brazil, how is doing temer?

Cause and effects exist in every nation and commies wouldnt show up in the first place if everything worked fine.
>cause and effect does not exist atleast not when socialism and communism fails
Wait what? What part of everything sucks because people suck you didnt understand?
World isnt red and blue you idiot.

kek

Venezuelan here here, moved to Spain about a year ago. AMA.

truth. Socialism worked reasonably well in east germany, it doesn't work at all in venezuela. just like capitalism works in germany and doesn't in mexico. Or social democracy works in switzerland but it doesn't work in spain.

Countries function if their people aren't full retards, and they go to shit if they're populated by dumbasses.

sudaca de mierda vuélvete a tu país

retards should already use the dollar

we had 50k, 20k, 10k, 5k, 1k notes.

Aye.
On the other hand it only takes one generation for a nation to go full retard and some powerhouses are starting to show this.

Don't be salty, Manolo. Spañistan isn't that much better anyways.

>what part of people suck do you not understand.
That you don't see how bad of an excuse it is.
>There is a reason why communists still exists.
Yes complete denial of how it destroyed the lives and prosperity of several groups of peoples around the world as people who lived through it constantly explain. Academia is for some reason pushing it in recent years inspite its clear historical danger an edgy impressionable teens wothout a career yet. get hooked on it.
But as you see with venezuela when someone implements full socialism which leads to communism and it fails and the people suffer. Then its no longer solidarity or workers of the world unite and revolt. Nono it seems you practically disown them because they show the flaw in your ideology and now they are just assholes and thats how it happened. How quaint

I'm just fucking with you. Why'd you go from one shithole to another anyway?

>That you don't see how bad of an excuse it is.
au contraire, it's ideology that is the excuse to not point to the people fucking their country up regardless of the system.

>only socialist/communists ruin lives
>everything was fine and dandy until they showed up
As i sad laddie we got no solution for any of it.
You are basically disowning my basis that everyone is an asshole to put the blame on one ideology.

He has up to 60% chance of getting impeached, we have like 200 out of 300 congressmen in the aim of a major corrupt investigation. Also one senator (the president of the senate) is defendant on lavajato investigation now. Our economy is shit, our inflation is shit, but on the bright side : our right wing is developing both on the libertarian and on the conservative sides. new parties are popping up some of them right oriented. Its all shit, but there is some hope if we manage to make anticorruption laws get into our legislation.

Daniel go back to your bullfighting protests and stop embarrassing our country

>Most of the problems come from the fact that the government is run like a mafia and that you can only advance by having blood ties to the ruling family or being a close friend.
that's the problem with socialism though, concentration of power in the government

they cant use dollar (i mean the government), since they loose control over the currency. They can literally steal more money that way using the banking system to get money through interest rates. They cant lend dollars (well they can, but it would be less rentable for the banks and the government rats).

Hey how can i convince venezuelan starving qts to move here and live with me? I have enough to support two

Venezuela currently ranks 187 out of 190 countries in ease of doing business ranking.

Lower than Haiti, Yemen, Afghanistan, Congo, CAR, etc.

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It takes a truly brainwashed socialist to fail to comprehend the basic relationship between scarcity, price, and govt interference in the economy.

>USA
>lobby groups
>political dynasties
>presidential campaign costs
Its problem with any society albeit in a different way.

Lmao nah, Americans were the ones contributing all the time. Fuck Venezuelans, and fuck cucks. MAGA

implying they can do anything to take out the government. the only way to solve this is if brazil or mexico intervene and call for new elections. brazil is in deep shit, mabe mexico can help.

All my family on my father's side is Spanish, which gave me the opportunity to live here legally. The first couple of months were rough but right now I lead a much better lifestyle than before I moved. Now I look at the hyperinflation and read the stories of my brethern on hispachan and I am so very glad I left that shithole when I could.

I still miss my friends tho. :(

>He has a point with the whole government being run like a mafia and that only people with family ties, or similar influences get far in those countries.

You mean just like the USSR and Cuba.

That's the end result of Socialism. The Administrator class rules the manufacturing class unconditionally.

>smart people can make any system work.
Smart people tend not to use bad systems. Wow the damage control here.. Its both matter of ideology and if people are intelligent and how they are culturally with work ethic responsibility helpfulness integrity etc.
By you saying it doesnt matter about political ideology is you trying to excuse it. Communism (which fully implemented socialism leads to) has been tried by several ethnicities and cultures with great failure. When socialism has destroyed the wealth and prosperity is when communists take over have revolution. Resistribute wealth and then make it worse for everyone and install communist party as ruling class and go after people who disagree with them. And creates shitholes and massive poverty.

Don't unpack, spain will go bankrupt in one or two years.

what are "bad systems"? according to Sup Forums socdem is like the worst thing ever, yet switzerland is one of the most prosperous countries on earth being full on socdem.
also communism did wonders for russia in the early 20th century, while capitalism has fucked up large parts of europe.
only very ridiculous systems are objectively bad, for most of the mainstream ideologies there's examples of success and of failure.

Not being a monkey is the first step faggot.

what do you think of Podemos?

>switzerland
>socdem

Kek at this. What's up with venezuelans being literally starving in the streets like rats and then they immigrate and act all high and mighty?
Lately we're being invaded by you indios who believe they are royalty.