This thread is for the discussion of leftism, marxism, socialism, and communism, anarchism, strasserism and national syndicalism. NO LIBERALS Socialism is an economic and social system defined by social ownership of the means of production. (Workers democratically own and operate the places in which they work, as opposed to private power aka capitalism)
The means of production are non-human inputs the create economic value, such as factories, workplaces, industrial machinery, etc. Socialists refer to the means of production as capital, or private property. Private property in the socialist context shouldn't be confused with personal property, such as your home, car, computer, and other possessions.
In a capitalist society the means of production are owned and controlled privately, by those that can afford them (the capitalist aka those with capital). Production is carried out to benefit the capitalist (production for profit). Workers are paid a wage, and receive that amount regardless of how much value they produce.
Communism is the highest developed stage of socialism wherein there is no state, no money, no class system. The means of production are owned by all and provide for everyone's needs.
Tell me how a system where you have to be forced to share everything you have and have to be constantly filled with propaganda is less oppressive than a system where you work with other people's capital in exchange for your own.
Cooper Bailey
Why are people maoist in 21st century America? What benefits could maoism bring to the US?
can we just agree on ignoring niggers like op from now on
Juan Roberts
Explain to me how a system that requires removing personal freedom is less oppressive than a system that doesn't?
Communism is so fucking stupid, that there almost isn't a way to ask this question without it being "loaded"
Jason Cooper
LIBERALS GET OUT OF MY GOMMUNISM
Luis Moore
Communism is the exact opposite of removing freedom.
Communism is about positive freedom as well as negative freedom, which liberalism provides only.
How is being able to control your own destiny 'oppressive'
Jaxon Jones
This has been laughed off a billion times. The guy is obviously not a Russian if he can't even spell bourgeois or commissar. I have no idea why this is spread around. This fuccing moron doesn't even understand that houses are personal property. At no point have commies ever tried to make communal living like this save for in SEA and they had their own theories that added and diverged from Marxism. It also shows an incredible lack of knowledge of Russian history because the "hipsters" actually did remain in power and it was probably bad. The second paragraph is complete bollocks and isn't worth even thinking about. Communism doesn't concern itself with sky numbers. If you guys would post crap like this in actually good faith we would answer more earnestly. >toothbrushes meme Private property makes personal property Personal property is devalued when used by multiple people
Landon Clark
GETTEM OUT
Matthew Sanchez
stop
the international working class movement is dead
Ayden Green
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Ethan White
>Communism is about positive freedom as well as negative freedom, which liberalism provides only. How are you getting positive freedom from communism and not from liberalism?
Your question hangs on this, but I believe its a wrong assumption.
Jaxson Gray
Why does zizek say that communism is essentially dead. Also why has 'communism' always meant authoritarianism and state capitalism when it's been implemented? Did stalin/lenin/etc ever want to implement a proper form of communism?
Anti-Semitism marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1931/01/12.htm >In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.
>Mr. Huntington. Not the leaders of this movement themselves; no, sir. The leaders of the movement, I should say, are about two-thirds Russian Jews and perhaps one-sixth or more of some of the other nationalities, like the Letts or the Armenians. The assistant in the foreign office was an Armenian. Then there are the Georgians; that is, the so-called Gruzinians of the Caucasus, and the remaining number Slavs. The superiority of the Jews is due to their intellectual superiority, because the average Jew is so much better educated than the average Russian; and also, I think, to the fact that the Hebrew people have suffered so in the past in Russia that it has inevitably resulted in their cherishing a grudge which has been worked out by the movement.
read it and spread it senpaitachi the reason why those commieshits are here
Landon Cook
Does he go into detail on that in any of his books? What should a self styled communist read from him?
Aiden Walker
>tfw the spam is subsiding and these commie threads are actually starting to get comfy Feels cozy mane
Noah Clark
If any of you actually think that marxism, socialism, and communism is good, cool or could be a functioning system you need to read the gulag archipelago.
Josiah Rogers
Same nonsense links, yet I have not seen one argument.
Charles Walker
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Brody Diaz
Fuck off. You have a containment thread already
Jackson Anderson
2bh his film "the pervert's guide to ideology" is a pretty nice intro into what he thinks about stuff. In the middle he goes into the failures of stalinism. Near the end he basically says that history isn't written and there's no train of history we can catch a ride on, it takes organisation but the working class does have the power to change the world for the better.
Jackson Myers
Die, commies, die.
Zachary Howard
Where is it? Thanks for that, i'll definitely watch it.
Ryder Brooks
I do enjoy Soviet propaganda posters. Maybe a thread for just those
you fags better get ready for right wing macro-aggressions
Gabriel Cox
Fallacy fallacy
Logan Martinez
He's pretty much the only good thing the left-wing has to offer as of now I wouldn't be surprised if he actually managed to harness some kind of movement in the future..
Andrew Cook
US commies are a nature's mistake you all should be gassed
>A retarded slav who thinks reality ain't real is the best the left can offer
Noice
Noah Peterson
It colapsed once(1), after americucks along with all the richest nation were battling a bunch of desert mountain niggers+russia's retarded system for decades.
Cooper Cruz
>NO LIBERALS Uh. You realize you ARE liberals right?
Ryder Watson
Because third-worldism is trendy again and you can imagine that you're Che Guevara, fighting in jungles and mountains against an army. Same reason so many people fell for radical chic in the 60s.
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>stalin/lenin/etc ever want to implement a proper form of communism Lenin said they did. The whole point of USSR was essentially building towards communism. It was totalitarian socialism. Russia was not ready for communism (it was intended for an already industrialized country with a flourishing economy), perhaps even the world wasnt.
Isaiah Flores
see
Jordan Parker
Give me sources on socialist economics working in practice and maybe I'll take you seriously. By this I mean stuff that fits the definition of socialism/marxism/etc so nordic countries are not allowed nor is China for that matter.
Thomas Allen
Because you're free to pursue what you want.
Brandon Torres
>nazis >pro-capitalist *autistic screeching*
Jack Cook
I like how absolutely nothing has changed about these threads.
Lincoln Gray
>LOL! not an argument or worth responding to There's still no conspiracy here This is that I want to LOL slavshit LOL >Venezuela kek >Bavarian Socialist Republic fell apart due to foreign invasion >Yugoslavia fell apart for reasons completely alien from the economy of communism >North Korea LOL >Cambodia LOL >list of Soviet allies so once >gusanito LOL i already did it's called cooperative business
Alexander Phillips
What does it even matter if this guy was full of shit, this was happening by the accounts of thousands of people you fucking ideologue, I thought the Soviet Russia wasn't real socialism or are you going to back them till someone talks about the gulag, the famine and deaths. kill yourself and fuck off you shills.
Henry Powell
marxism isn't a 'system'
Jace Thomas
No real communism meme strikes again I see
Liam Jones
No it just leads to Communist Dictatorships by accident.
Julian Williams
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Jack Murphy
It sure wasn't but as long as people are going to act like it then it's worth defending. Dude, the äccounts say he's completely wrong. Houses were never appropriated. That's retarded and un-dialectical. In Venezuela, North Korea, and Cambodia (and the USSR for that matter) the means of production were/are not owned by the laborers (for the most part) Want some examples of socialist states because I'll give them to you, Rojava and Chiapas for starters That's the idea m80 it's a general
Landon Wilson
>In Venezuela, North Korea, and Cambodia (and the USSR for that matter) the means of production were/are not owned by the laborers (for the most part)
But the workers and the army ceased the means of production and decided to give them to their leaderships. And considering most nations that are gommunist are agrarian and communist governaments gave each family a plot of land, they did own the means of production directly.
Camden Nguyen
it doesn't lead to anything you fucking dumb cunt, it's a way of analysing the world
Funny how uneducated people don't feel the need to chime in on quantum physics, yet are 100% sure they know everything about politics without picking up a social science textbook
Parker Rodriguez
Also retard there already is a general and this is not titled a general.
Carson Adams
boi They didn't have a say in what happened to it, if their leadership did something with "their" land they didn't like they couldn't hold them accountable in any way It's dead, it's almost at the bump limit
Grayson Lopez
>it doesn't lead to anything you fucking dumb cunt, it's a way of analysing the world >let's cover up the 20th century
>Funny how uneducated people don't feel the need to chime in on quantum physics, yet are 100% sure they know everything about politics without picking up a social science textbook >SOCIAL SCIENCE
Oh my god you fell for the ultimate meme.
Bentley Phillips
>They didn't have a say in what happened to it, if their leadership did something with "their" land they didn't like they couldn't hold them accountable in any way
Well sorry an coms are pussies that can't defend themselves or their retarded system
>It's dead, it's almost at the bump limit
Then make a new one don't call the thread that is not a general a general.
Juan Campbell
"Marxism is a method of socioeconomic analysis that analyzes class relations and societal conflict using a materialist interpretation of historical development and a dialectical view of social transformation."
literally one second on google
>hurr le social sciences not real xD xD xD
I doubt this board opposes social science considering the amount of people here telling me to 'learn economics', which is a social science
Hudson Flores
NOT THE TRUE COMMUNISM
Connor Stewart
LOL say that to the face of a Zapatista or a Kurd. that is irrelevant and false M8 it doesn't have to say general to be a general, read the text in the post Gay post
Andrew Foster
>"Marxism is a method of socioeconomic analysis that analyzes class relations and societal conflict using a materialist interpretation of historical development and a dialectical view of social transformation." >Jiber jaber propaganda that was use to excuse the actions of commie governament
>I doubt this board opposes social science considering the amount of people here telling me to 'learn economics', which is a social science >Economics is on the same level as meme science
This is why /leftypol/ is retarded.
Ayden James
Chairman Mao killed 55 million innocent people. Sent millions more into prisons and exile.
Staling killed over 20 million innocent people. Sent millions more into prison and exile.
Pol Pot killed over 1.5 million innocent people. Sent millions more into prison and exile.
Castro killed hundreds of thousands of people. Sent thousands more into "re education" camps. Turned a decent country into a shithole. Lived in luxury fucking whores and eating good food while his people died of FAMINE
Anyone who sympathizes, supports of promotes communism SHOULD BE SHOT ON SITE
Joshua Gutierrez
>Yugoslavia >fell apart for reasons completely alien from the economy of communism Yeah, it just fell apart because ethnic tensions caused by uniting them under one banner thinking that they can just get along because reasons. "Workers of the WORLD unite" is a total failure. Yugoslavia still fell apart because communism.
Landon Nelson
>LOL say that to the face of a Zapatista or a Kurd. that is irrelevant and false
Kurds are so shit they made a deal with Asad to not get the FSA treatment and Zapatista is a literally who.
Mason Gonzalez
Not a single argument in your post, just a load of -anti-intellectual bullshit. Pretty much just covering your ears and saying 'LA LA LA LA CANT HEAR YOU'
And economics is objectively a social science
Ethan Ward
Keep posting your commiefus and I'll keep making them good. :^)
Isaac Butler
>8gags commie board is so shit that they need to steal from more competitive boards Can`t they see the irony?
Connor Hernandez
yes comnrade these capitalist got BTFO hohohoho
Jeremiah Bennett
Both the top and bottom in this picture are exactly the same
Xavier Morales
Well actually it fell apart because Serbia was being a cock but whatever. There's even been talk of having a Yugoslavia just without Serbia. I guess that's why the Mexican government hasn't been able to take them down for 20+ years huh. Kurds didn't need it, they just did it because they're not interested in the rest of Syria and they have a common enemy. The land they ARE interested in is almost completely secured and has been for a while. They had fought Assad before, they could do it again, they just saw it as advantageous, especially in dealing with the Turks. No
Brayden Walker
Piss off.
Mason Brooks
I'm genuinely curious. How old are you? No grown man, whatever his persuasion, would act like this.
John Perry
stay away from our commiefus, porky scum
Evan Wood
this is my first time on Sup Forums in 4 years. I left a ancap and returned a communist. we are growing
Jace Smith
Seizing the memes of production isn't stealing, you dirty capitalist pigdog.
Adam Sanchez
>Not a single argument in your post, just a load of -anti-intellectual bullshit. Pretty much just covering your ears and saying 'LA LA LA LA CANT HEAR YOU' >Does the same thing
Marxist revisionism was used by multiple communist states to bring legitimacy to their existence. Going all the way to shit stuff like Soviet Hungary which is different from Communist Hungary.
Not to mention Marxism is retarded as it sees everything as a class struggle, even in places where class wasn't a thing or social mobility a thing.
>And economics is objectively a social science
Modern economics is math plus law plus bureaucracy.
Jacob Garcia
How's your wife's son?
Justin Brooks
Relevant post.
David Lewis
The Mexican governament can't deal with Romney's relatives. So what do you expect
As for the Kurds they are getting now Turkified as we speak.
Tyler Edwards
there were no real communisms prove me wrong
Hunter Peterson
It is inevitable.pileofagentsmith
Once the autistic screeching subsides, it's pretty good.
We must help our Strasserist comrades resist the scourge of capitalism.
Noah Lopez
HAHAHA perfect gay post lol what lol false
Michael Miller
It's pretty obvious this board is full of young people, I'm not just saying it because they disagree with me. Just a very child-like group of people
Daniel Jenkins
>they could have gotten along if you ignore how they didn't get along. If Serbia isn't a dick then another will.
