I am a libertarian; debate me

I am a libertarian; debate me.

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Roads.

lol Canada. I don't blame you personally, most of Sup Forums doesn't know what a libertarian is.

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Fine. Taxpayer funded infrastructure.

I'm a hospital, debate me

Privatized as a citizen cooperative.

>no true scotsman
you might as well be saying it's time to implement "real" communism

This is now a communist thread

Isn't that the same as taxes, just not taxes that go to the government?

The lever would be pulled and a fine would be payed later. You assume libertarianism is ignorant of torts, fines, and private adjudication. Not an argument.

No. Do not violate NAP.

He can do whatever he wants with his slaves on his property, including killing them with a trolley.

taxes and the forfeit of some of your rights are what you pay to participate in civilization
you're free to not pay taxes, you're free to do all the degenerate sex acts and drugs you want, but please do so >>>away from western civilization

Did sucking Black dick all day finally give you a disease, leaf?

yes but its a far smaller single purpose government

libertarian =/= ancap

did common core not teach you how to read burger?

People near a road own it collectively. People pay for road use. No State or involuntary taxation is involved.

Are you Ryan Dawson?

Has there ever been a libertarian society?

>taxes and the forfeit of some of your rights are what you pay to participate in civilization


This is fine when The State is protecting private property. However, if The State begins infringing upon property and person, then it has become a purveyor of barbarism.

Liechtenstein, Hong Kong, Singapore, Monaco, and Switzerland are good contemporary examples.

And what of those who do not use that road? They would still be told to pay up for it would they not?

You pay for it if you use it (like any other service).

Literally who?

If you're going to be against public ownership of roads just go ahead and call yourself an anarchist and be done with it

I like anarcho-capitalism but I think neocameralism is more practical.

Kill yourself.

And they would monitor this as opposed to blanket fining everyone just by area?

In a world where everything is privatized, how would free speech work?

What are good introductory readings for libertarian newfags?

what's wrong burger? bad memories of school?

John Rawls' Theory of Justice

>debate me.
cat posting is superior to doge

What is Aleppo?
Who is your favorite world leader?

Do you like Ayn Rand, do you think libertarianism can only work in ethnically homogenous nations like the ones you listed (more or less)? Could it work in American, and who did you vote for (do you like Trump?)

kill urself my man

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I don't know what relation you think private property has with speech, but if the implication is that people owning things necessarily makes people incapable of speaking I think you're confused.

Here - it doesn't get better than this.
mises.org/library

Bump.

Tolls or electronic passes.

What is this? Some dognigger posting in my cat thread?

I have been here since 2014, you imbecile.

You are a Leftist? Rawls is literally a proto-SJW.

You are literally ruled by a literal cuck.

I was referring to myself assburgers

>What is Aleppo?

A city in Syria. Why?

>Who is your favorite world leader?

That I know of by name? Probably Victor Orban (he stopped Hungary from becoming a Third World Afro-Islamic colony like much of Europe).

>Do you like Ayn Rand, do you think libertarianism can only work in ethnically homogenous nations like the ones you listed (more or less)?

Yes (especially if we have democracy). AnCap only works in high-IQ high-trust places like Iceland.

>Could it work in American,

Yes but achieving means we must get rid of democracy and make Whites a majority again.

>who did you vote for

Trump.

>(do you like Trump?)

Yes.

Only if authorized by private property owners.

what about internet, radio, tv etc.?

you're an embarrassment to yourself and to everybody else

>I don't know what relation you think private property has with speech, but if the implication is that people owning things necessarily makes people incapable of speaking I think you're confused.

The first amendment ensures that the government won't censor my speech. I can say whatever I want in public places as long as I don't violate the rights of others.
In a libertarian utopia there is no public space. Everything's privately owned and owners can tell everyone else what not to say while in their proprietary space. The only place of free speech would be on one's own property.

So, in a world where everything is privatized, how would free speech work?

Oh. In that case: read Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Nick Land, and Thomas Sowell. I would also recommend Richard Lynn, Phillip Rushton, and other HBD authors.

what does that have to do with your failed education system burger? face your demons

Will you admit that not everything(for example roads) would not work better in a libertarian country?

mises.org/blog/why-airwaves-electromagnetic-spectra-are-arguably-property
What about them?

That's not free speech

Well, I know failed economics.

whats would recommend from Sowell, Ive been meaning to read his stuff for a while (black rednecks and white liberals?) And what is HBD

why do you keep changing the subject?

The government does censure your speech.

People also tend to allocate open space - even if it's their property - of their own volition. There are a whole lot of places we all go that aren't technically public places that we nevertheless can do mostly whatever we'd like within reason.

If you are an ancap dipshit, then roads. If you just believe in free markets and limited government, then you have a completely just and tenable ideology but we hold a different set of values.

Why do you keep sucking Black dick?

What about pollution?

there's no blacks here, you must be projecting

OK

>whats would recommend from Sowell, Ive been meaning to read his stuff for a while

Just about everything.

>And what is HBD

Human biological diversity: m.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ65PSrSgAo

People don't tend to fuck up their own property, or if they do they only fuck up *their* property.
If someone causes damage to others, they can be reasonably held accountable. If you dump your junk in my lawn, I have license to make you stop and seek damages.

>there's no blacks here

Then who if pleasuring your wife?

>but we hold a different set of values.

How so?

>private adjudication
So who enforces the judge's decree? Private police? You're basically advocating government by a different name.

thanks Libertarian bro, why are you not NatSoc?

I'm married now? News to me

but couldn't any little thing like smoke be considered violating the NAP

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>collectivization
Yuck, commie pls go

Hence why I identify as neoreactionary instead of AnCap.

Pollution would be disallowed or penalized because it violates private property.

If someone is unreasonable they're unreasonable.
NAP is a largely utilitarian concept (I don't really care about it and use a different though pragmatically similar ethos) and subject to some normative constraints.

I would think someone complaining that he smells a little smoke and using that as license to attack his neighbor or destroy his neighbor's property is being absurd, and most people would agree and not tolerate that absurdity.

NAHT EN ERGUMENT XD

Most of libertarianism is based on classic utilitarianism. The market always has the most efficient outcome, thus it will create the most happiness. So by that logic the market should be left unfettered to maximize the happiness in the world. This tends to be the basis of most libertarian thinking, and people like Friedman held very utilitarian views.

>The government does censure your speech.

Irrelevant, but explain.

>There are a whole lot of places we all go that aren't technically public places that we nevertheless can do mostly whatever we'd like within reason.

That's the case in a non-libertarian society. We're talking about the practical problems of a libertarian society. Do you see the disconnect there?

Also, that's hardly true. Twitter, America's town square, censors the hell out of rightwing ideas. Same with Facebook and rebbit.

Furthermore, this has nothing to do with free speech. Some guy allowing you to protest on his lawn is a lot different from the fundamental right of free expression in public space.

>why are you not NatSoc?

Many reasons:

Socialism is inherently flawed, even in a high-IQ, homogeneous society (see: North Korea).

Socialism -- both national and international -- infringes on property rights.

Gibs for Whites is still dysgenic.

I don't have any problem with homosexuality (I'm also bisexual).

And other reasons. I do broadly concur on race and The JQ though.

>an-cap

D R O P P E D

Grow up kids.
Ron Paul and lolibertarians are never happening.
You can choose a new ideology or live in a dream land. You're worse than commies.

>property rights

Oh boy I'm laffin

>implying you don't love pussy

>Also, that's hardly true. Twitter, America's town square, censors the hell out of rightwing ideas. Same with Facebook and rebbit.

True; but in a world of property rights, road owners could ban gay parades.

I never said I was AnCap, retard.

You can be sanctioned by the government for operating a business and saying certain words (and not even threatening words) to customers before refusing them service, whereas you would not face any sanction without speaking those words - thus it's the speech that's being punished in those cases.

>le libertarianism is inmature meme

Literally not an argument.

Road owners could also make it mandatory to have a rainbow painted car in order to use their roads.

So can I seize your property?

Then don't use that road.

What if one person owns all the roads?

Bump.

You mean like how The State owns all roads right now?

>Also, that's hardly true. Twitter, America's town square, censors the hell out of rightwing ideas. Same with Facebook and rebbit
There are also plenty of places that don't, like many private parks, libraries, and sports fields.

>That's the case in a non-libertarian society. We're talking about the practical problems of a libertarian society.
You're unironically insinuating that the minute government is out of the picture, people's behaviors will radically change in regard to their own property. A man who previously owned a park will suddenly decide "you know what, there's no government now, so I'm gonna start making rules about my park - rules I never put out before even though I could have - that annoy people who go there".
I'm not going to defend against further non-points in arguments here.

health care

>NAP

Completely private.