ANY PERSON THAT NEEDS RELIGION TO BE MORAL IS A DOUCHEBAG AT HEART

/pol BTFO

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This is correct. Empathy is all you need to understand right and wrong.
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>douchebag at heart
No such thing

Religion is the only place to get morals from. I'd do everything i could get away with if i thought there was just emptiness waiting for me

The only reason why you have morals is because you're afraid a sky daddy will punish you for having bad morals?

Seems to me the guy who has morals to without religion who simply wants to help the community out of goodwill has better morals than you.

>leddit mascot on the bottom
wew lad

You can't /thread yourself you fucking autist.

Empathy. You think you could kill another man and not feel terrible about the life you just took?
I've got a spoiler for you. God knows the only thing keeping you in line is the reward. You're gonna go to hell anyway.

It's true, after I became an atheist it was much easier and guiltless for me to be racist and want to gas the kikes.

No, newfag. You can't /thread your own thread.

>quoting a redditor like he's a Greek philosopher
Pfffffttthahahahahahaha

Religious behavior is putting an ideal above one's self. Its heavily connected with moral behavior.

>Anyone who needs religion to be moral is a douche bag at heart
That is one of the tenants of Christianity, yes.

Agreed OP. Humans are terrible when you remove the proper upbringing.

>ANY PERSON THAT NEEDS RELIGION TO BE MORAL IS A DOUCHEBAG AT HEART
proof? because i've only ever see Christians that make good societies.

>ANY PERSON THAT NEEDS RELIGION TO BE MORAL IS A DOUCHEBAG AT HEART

>bases moral system on religious teaching
>calls anyone that needs religion for morals a douchebag

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haha well said

I bet OP felt pretty euphoric making this post

fuck off. "sky daddy". Yeah, kys my man. The first civilization that had a set of rules and laws and morals were the Zorostrians of the Sumerian Emprie with Hammurabi's code.

They believed in the same god as Jews, Christians, and Muslims did and they were the first successful Empire.

All the Islamic African countries fare better than non-islamic african countries unless they're under white rule which they no longer are (islamic african countries also have almost no aids).

Those godless indians are a shithole of a country and so are the chinese because they lack morals. Syria is a better place to live in than India despite the fact that they're in a war.

>proving to be a douchebag by judging others while destroying your own argument

leddit everyone

Except Muslims

Very easy to say that after being raised in the Christianized West.

Go back and say that to the Native Indians that scalped and abducted foreigners, the tribes of PNG that eat their enemies and rape minors, and ancient Rome and Greece that had little care for the working class, engaged in sexual intercourse with little boys as a tradition and committed other acts of sexual indecency.

I hate seeing this meme. Fuck off.

>guys please if we just act like my grandfather did all of our children will be saints
why does anyone buy this garbage

it's nostalgia for something you've never experienced, what makes you think any of that is fact

Too bad Atheists can't explain where emapthy or love comes from

They believe It's just chemicals in your brain

>says the guy who just called everyone who disagrees with him a douchebag


Human arrogance is a hell of a drug

No one considers all religious people to be moral though.

I mean just look at the Jews for example. They possess no moral backbone, at all.

while this may be true, you can't deny that most people are just that, and that religion has its place

t. atheist who thinks religion is a good thing (mostly)

Is this why the soviet union and the peoples republic of China are the epitome of morality?

Please.

Christianity is what gave the raping and pillaging pagans some sense of direction to not rape and pillage. Where was their empathy before then?

To go even further, when people strayed away from Christianity they did atrocious things, the things that atheists unironically blame Christianity for.

What hypocrasy, and what self-wanking tripe that pseudo-philosophical meme image that is.

Neither Zoroastrianism nor Hammurabi's Code existed during Sumer. China is a nice country and Indians are largely religious as are the all the poor Africans. They are Christian.

any person who needs to justify their morality with religion is a fedora at heart

but with no cosmic morality system, being called a "douchebag" has no meaning.

In no-morality world, being a douchebag is a badge of honor, since self-satisfaction and indulgence (even to the detriment of others), is the most logical path to select.

Thanks for not being edgy about it user. Would you consider switching to agnosticism though? It's basically the same thing but with a "what if"

>OP runs off to suck a muzzie dick but religion is dumb

lol reddit fags

When your religion is lost, your morality is slowly stripped away from you.

It's not a sudden thing.

Have you noticed that as society becomes less and less religious, it's decayed morally?

It's nothing fast, but it does effect our morality as a society, which will effect our future children.

Why does Sup Forums pretend to be religious?


99.99 percent of you do not pray or go to church. You are just as degenerate as anyone else on Sup Forums. Weird porn fetishes, glorifying murdering nazis, obese fats fucks eating hot pockets all day, NEETs, etc.


You guys are not Christians and should stop pretending to be.

How has it decayed morally? The left is largely atheist while the right is largely Christian. The left is far more humanitarian than the right.

A lot of us aren't religious, but understand how important religion is in regards to how it effects our society and shapes our morals.

no, to me it makes no sense at all that there would be a higher power

i am also not scared that failing to believe in it or worship it would have any consequence if it did exist, so it really doesn't matter in the end

Wow great argument. Looks like I'm an atheist now

>Sup Forums is one person

Please. I just learned last Sunday that my church is absorbing another church into its leadership and handling all of its finances, which is a testament to how well my church is operating.

I pray as often as I can. Not perfect tho.

>love is a chemical response to encourage breeding and protection of your tribe
>empathy stems from the same place as the mirror test

If that's what you believe refer to OP's quote. The Japanese are largely atheist but are well mannered and disciplined. Only 2 percent of children are born out of wed lock compared to 30 to 60 percent in the west.

>t. reddit
so which came first? morals, or religion? did the ancients before religious belief have empathy and altruistic behavior, or were they simply pack animals, savages, niggers even?

really mashed my potatoes faggot

>be atheist
>still be able to acknowledge atheists are generally scum

Anybody who whatevers i do's whats i wants is an eric cartman

It makes sense though. If morality is objective you can pretty much do anything. Cheating on your wife is okay, your daughter being fucked at age 12 is okay, your son being gay is okay, lying is okay, stealing is okay.

And creationists can?

>muh soul
>muh feelings

Atheists are the ones truly blinded by pride. They get indoctrinated from public education and believe that they know enough about to reality to determine there is no God.

>the left is far more humanitarian
Top Kek

Historically and very much to this day the Left is the proponent ideology of Slavery

Too bad love is proven on a daily basis to out-reach your stated conditions on an infinite scale

Look how edgy I included my secret boyfriends in here

And you would be kicked out of your church and literally be thought demonic if you told your church going friends your true beliefs.

Op is right. Altruism has been witnessed in a variery of social animals.

If you want to better your life through religion, then good for you. But don't act like your crazy shit is normal. You don't see me demanding that everyone be like Buddha and throwing out science books to justify my demands.

Science is a religion

Its not but even if you call it that the right would rather let them die than give from their own.

So that just confirms how much society needs religion, if it keeps them moral than it's good. That statement you posted is very contradictive.

Bingo.

To all of these people saying empathy. What if I don't have any for Googles and Skypes. Does that mean it's not immoral to kill them?

Empathy is traite you learn in society. You can just as easily unlearn it. If you based your morality off of what feels right you admit that morality is subjective and a subjective morality is practically no morality at all.

>the left is far more humanitarian

Is that why more Christians actually go oversees to assist people in poor countries? Ever heard of a mission?

I've personally attended food packing events that had thousands of Christians working together to pack food for the poor in countries like the Dominican republic, and one night of work for two hours allowed us to feed 375 children for an entire year. That is a shit ton of food.

What does the left do? Throw money at shit they aren't personally invested in through the state.

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Hello ayn hypocrite loser bitch rand

>using quotes from reddit users
Why don't they literally use the euphoric quote?

>douchebag at heart
Nothing short of poetry.

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Having fun ringing your bells? Give to Caesar
>elects no tax paying president
>Pictures and memes make things false

Morality is a byproduct of evolution and group survival. Many animal species display basic moral principles, like not murdering each other for example. Some animal species are capable of showing empathy, such as elephants and dolphins. Morality might be a human concept, but is has existed far before any organized religions existed in humans, and can be seen in other animal species as well. The argument that one can only have morals with religion is simply idiotic.

Has your monkey sister been housebroken yet?

I see winter break has started.

most people, religious or irreligious, are immoral douchebags. this is a pointless argument.

>/pol is one fucking person
>implying this fucking hard

Did I even tell you what my political beliefs are?

Also since when does a church toss someone out for their political beliefs? The purpose of the church is to share Jesus and bring his light to others.

The entire Christian world is not the Westboro Baptist church

Ayn Rand was a kike though o_O

So we should be content with 90% of the population being douchebags?

Because the reality is easily seen, if people don't fear repercussions, they will do as they wilt.

"I do not need religion to have morals" - Me

"Any person who is moral without a reason is an idiot" - me

An observable, measurable one.*

*(((studies))) not included.

So do leftists. They also don't have a problem providing people with social assistance and getting them the healthcare they need even if its with their own money.

What are you trying to say? This is an incoherent post, please expand.

Really? I mean really? Ugh this board is so shit at debating

There is no such thing as morals in an atheist worldview.
There are simply subjective traditions that people believe in to live in a civilized society and decrease the suffering of each person and thus net suffering. It is 100% REPUTATION based and not MORAL based. A true atheist would kill a man if he were to get away with it, and the reward outweighed the effort. Personal ethical codes are also mute because they condone immoral acts of other people, and accept other people who would make the decison to kill.
>To reject moral relatavism is to accept some form of universalism/natural law, thus a higher power.
>The fact that it is not an anthropomorphic omnipotent deity is mute.
Basically secular ethics BTFO

The right gives far more in donations and volunteering, you know, actually doing something. The left leads in slacktivism and big grandiose virtual signalling projects.

If the right wants a village in wherever to get a new school, they fly the fuck down there and they build it.

I'm not defending the right. I don't play into bipartisan political ideologies.

It's just historically proven the general 'left' is pro slavery in multiple aspects.

Yes, Good comes from God.

Evil comes from the root of Sin, which was introduced to humanity through the finality of Free Will. But that's what makes it beautiful

To free willingly forgoe the wants of the individual to express ultimate unconditional selflessness. That was the message of Christ

It's gotten worse since you showed up.

Religions require observable measurements? I don't understand what you're saying. If you're making fun of science I apologise
Nah

No no just your feminine fairy brain can't handle it

I want religion. What say you now, spawn of Satan?

>leddit

>proving my point
Keep going

No, saying something retarded makes it retarded.

You are a racist. You believe whites are superior. You hate minorities. You either want them to be steriized, deported, or outright killed.


You basically want nazi germany. You want the state to lock up or murder people criticize it.

You deny the holocaust but want it to happen again.

Anyone can act in accordance with a moral statement. The problem for atheists is that without God, there are no true morals, only opinions. And thus there is a strong natural philosophical connection between atheism and immorality.

Most atheists I have seen are immoral as fuck.

a douchebag which atheism offers absolutely no effective measure to help.

Perhaps, but not in as much abundance as Christians.

As for the healthcare point, you are projecting the views of the American right wing on to the rest of the worlds right wing. Pretty sure UKIP has no problem with the NHS.

Healthcare is a poltical issue, not a moral or religious issue.

You aint proving shit. I dont need to prove anything. Every time you open your fat american piehole an israeli turd falls out

So you have no argument then? Cool.

I'm still fucken waiting for you to use your words little girl

Who is TONYQUARK and why does he not understand words?

Also, why are you posting it here?

Finally, what makes you think anyone cares?

You are illiterate. Good. Expected nothing less

They literally are chemical responses to stimuli though. You are allowed to assign whatever religious significance you want to those chemicals, but to say they are NOT chemical reactions is ignorant and wrong.

The last 2 digits of your reply will be your IQ

Every last christian I've seen has gone straight against their own religion in every way they could while simultaneously (because those two statements are not connected) being more degenerate than a gay tranny shitting on a wedding cake during your ceremony.

I've heard it a million times, buddy.