Why are ya'll so triggered about some communist/socialists threads showing up on this board?

Why are ya'll so triggered about some communist/socialists threads showing up on this board?

Is this NOT the board for politics?

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it's because reddit's population of leftists and commies are planning to 'colonize' Sup Forums. basically they're trying to take over a board.

So they're invading your safe space. Good to know.

>your
y r u here?

Please someone post here a picture about only good communist is a dead communist.

>you're safe space
>you're
>safe
>space
You have to go back.

because its derailment, not discussions

when you copy-paste the same wall of autistic text, you cant expect to be taken seriously

in other words, pointless shitposts arent welcome

I prefer dead fascists desu senpai

>pointless shitposts arent welcome
>Sup Forums

We've been trying to discuss and had a little bit of friendly debate in and out of the general, but the anti-communist shitposting prevents more reasonable discussion.

I know which one you mean but am on mobile, have this one instead.

why are we not allowed to argue against communism? Is this NOT the board for political discussion?

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>fascists thinks he has the moral highground against communists

LOVING
EVERY
LAUGH

>tfw we have a solution for you cucks

>fascists
Fuck for goodness sake. GERMANS WERE NAZIS not FASCISTS.

no you havent

well atleast typical pol shitposts are somewhat funny - the leftie spam on the other hand....

your priorities are ass-backwards

Explain the difference to me.

Had a good thread last night and there was very little shitposting because it wasn't in the general. We talked a bit about jobs and guns and it was fairly civil. I guess the usual group wasn't there to shit things up.

That's because all the highschoolers went to bed.

Probably because unlike plebbit, pol is not a feel good commie utopia where you can pretend communism works and circle jerk about it and ban/reject anyone who doesn't agree.

Pol is like the free market, pol users reject communism therefore everyone shits on it any chance they get.

Just because it's a politics board doesn't mean everything will get equal representation.

Stupid nigger.

Y'all don't give us that level of discourse so why should we? Most commies are anti-soviet, but all we ever here about is muh gorillion dead kulaks while trying to discuss the actual theories we support.

One kiddos want to kill all non germans. Second kids just want to kill all non Italian citizens and got their empire back on track.

> Most commies are anti-soviet
You broke me.

THIS IS NOW A NATSOC THREAD
post glorious pics

We don't expect equal representation when we are a minority, but some actual discussion and debate would be nice.

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Seems most commies, were anti commies.

The funny thing about discussing communism, is you never get the viewpoint of people who actually lived under it.

And you'll get two opinions. The card carriers loved it, the normal people did not.

every communist should watch this vid
youtube.com/watch?v=froTxqKSqc4&t=19s

So they're HELLAing your F*CKIN' EPIC?!?!??! xDDD

>>>/reddit/
>>>/mountaindew/

commies watch this vid:
youtube.com/watch?v=froTxqKSqc4&t=19s

As I said in another post, when people want to "discuss" communist ideas, they never have a voice of someone who actually lived under communism when their government was actually communist.

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is nazi germany the only truly successful socialist state in history? I don't think Scandinavian countries count because of their small population and they were already wealthy

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> is you never get the viewpoint of people who actually lived under it.
My grand father wuz one of the soldiers from Totskoye.

Brigadeers spotted

We know who you are
Please fuck off back to your dead shithole

yes but they were only mildly socialist,
with governmental labour programs and such

I think it also says a lot that 99% of people pushing for communism are either:

1) living in a country where it was never implemented
2) born after it stopped being implemented

Anyone who lived through communism and wasn't a card-carrying party member will tell you the truth about the abysmal system

It's true. Anarchists opposed the arrangement early on. Left communists were very critical of Lenin and actually opposed the direction it went after Stalin took power. Others gradually caught onto the mess along the way. We want economic democracy meaning democratic workplaces and economic planning. We don't want party dictatorship and state capitalism.

I get mixed views. Right-wing always complains while the more apolitical folk have some nostalgia for the security of having a guaranteed home and employment, but hated the while dictatorship thing. Lefties vary depending on their politics. Some of them are all like Stalin dindu nuffin while others see the Soviet project as sabotaging actual leftism in their home country. I think there is some nuance to it all, but that generally doesn't come out when discussing politics because people get too emotional.

The argument against that is always that wasn't real communism.

Also if you're going to blame someone for this it's most leftypol on 2x4chan. They have a thread linking to other threads for them to roll in as a group. This isn't a natural occurrence or I wouldn't bother, this is a planned attempt by outside sites to derail and subvert Sup Forums.

For you new fags use net not pl if you're trying the get there, the pl is a dud board and they're laughing at you fucktards for having no clue what you're doing.

this desu

yeah, I understand their breed of socialism was more about proper wealth distribution than it was about entitlement and doing the opposite of rewarding productivity and success, like those dirty commies

A fucki... based leaf.

>typical pol shit posts are okay

really user

this is a board for politically "incorrect" discussion. leftism/sjw/socialism/commie/free immigration etc is just about as "politically correct" as it gets. leftism is the current establishment in the usa, canada, europe, etc.

that's why.

/thread

Youve gone to far trying to activly colonize and spam propagandize which means open war, there wont be discussion till you sit the fuck down and calm down

>peruvian shitpost from 3 months ago
sad!
youtube.com/watch?v=uUyDcGSMPEQ

>Start lefty/commy thread
>Get BTFO in discussion
>Ignore it and start a new thread

I wonder why?

Communist/socialist is mental illness.

you forgot
>repeat every day for 2 weeks
>still produce zero arguments in every fucking thread

This entire raid is just proof that communism fails, they can't even convince a single autist here yet hope to start a worldwide revolution.

>We want economic democracy meaning democratic workplaces

This is the main issue I have with communism, most people barely know how the current government works. They sure as shit don't know even half of what goes into running a business. All they see is the isolated bubble of their specific job, they don't understand most of the regulations, they don't understand why certain things are done over another.

This is coming from someone who has an associate's degree that includes business. Most businesses being run under a democratic model would collapse, because most people don't actually know what will benefit the business as a whole.

My other issue is the Communist belief that everyone around the world needs to rise up for it to succeed, to me that's a flawed ideology if it can only exist without competitng systems and ideals. Once Communist actually figure out how to make their ideology work without needing the entire world on board I'd be more open to discussing it.

Where are we btfo? I can respond to any questions you have. I don't like sticking to the general because of the constant shitposting which is now picking up here..

Triggered? You ain't seen nothing yet! When we get triggered, lead flies.

>Muh """real communism""" has never been tried meme
That's called the no true Scotsman fallacy, dumbfag

Witnessed.

why would i EVER want to share the spoils of my hard work with some dumb nigger or mudshit? it's retarded.

See
You are like a little baby

Well doesn't it get tiring starting the same thread multiple times a day, only to just have everyone call you a commie faggot and leave it at that?

Nobody here wants gommunism besides you guys from /leftypol. Even the autistic retards at /pol are too smart to fall for your philosophy. That, and mostly that, should make you reconsider your stances.

You want to vote your way out of business.

Leftwing ideologies are not legitimate politics.

MODS

Can you cucks please remove the dox ban?

I don't give a fuck I'm telling you what they say, you'd know that if you weren't so busy thumping your chest about USA USA USA. You're the reason we can't have nice things, be a little more informed if you plan to do anyhting.

Workers themselves actually are doing most of the day to day operations of a business themselves. A lot of the bureaucracy we have now wouldn't exist because this is outside of the market model.

>This is coming from someone who has an associate's degree that includes business. Most businesses being run under a democratic model would collapse
There are some fairly large coops out there. Mondragon is something like the 5th largest corporation in Spain.

>My other issue is the Communist belief that everyone around the world needs to rise up for it to succeed, to me that's a flawed ideology if it can only exist without competitng systems and ideals. Once Communist actually figure out how to make their ideology work without needing the entire world on board I'd be more open to discussing it.
Socialism is a system revolutionizing system just like capitalism. It has to replace the globalized economic order in favor of an international democratic model to function. You can't meet every person's needs well when you're isolated and under attack on all sides.

What I find odd is that you think capitalism is somehow the end of economic progress. We've been through multiple systems and a class based model centered around markets wouldn't even make sense with increasingly automated production. Eventually most people won't have access to jobs. Actual economics have said the way to fix this is a UBI, but that doesn't address the underlying contradictions of the system.

>American education

I think most people accept Capitalism as "the best we've got" rather than the perfect system. I've noticed a lot of socialists have this misconception.

Capitalism is almost globally accepted because it has a good track record of raising individuals out of poverty, increasing GDP and average income, quality of life overall generally increases.

Communism is almost univerally hated because of it's track record. Before you bring up some point about capitalist piggus, just try to find some old guy from Eastern Europe to talk to about this.

The barber in my has a lot of older slavs working at it, I learned a lot about the Soviets from a Lithuanian and a man from Belarus. It was a bad time.

Socialists invented political correctness.

This is the politically incorrect board.

Because unlike the edgy suburban retards parroting that nonsense some have had the misfortune to live in such utopia.
Only good communist is the dead one.

That's total bullshit though. Young people are brainwashed against communism, while the majority of older people will tell you that their life was better during USSR times.

m80 I don't doubt you but I can't read your slav runes, that could be a graph about interracial marriage for all I know

I work in a highly specialized field of healthcare, where I deal with a lot of patients and sometimes save them from near death. Is the drooling idiot that sloppily makes my ham, cheese, and bacon omelette going to have a say in how I do my job?

I work with a nurse that acts like a total bitch a lot of the time but you know what? She knows how to do her job 100 times better than any of the other nurses I work with and I hate when she isn't working with me. Is she going to get voted out in your "democratic system" because the other nurses simply don't like her?

I own a pretty nice home that is completely paid for and owned by me, with a sizable property. Is someone going to come and force me to give up all my shit since private property is now outlawed? If so, who? Will it be some democratically elected security force? If so, who will oversee them? Some sort of state-, oh wait, no that can't be, this is a supposed stateless system. Then who is going to oversee all of this?

nope

It's a raid, and that is a big difference.

KEK "raid" lol

MODS ARE KEKS AND PROLLY AGAIN
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Someone found out earlier this week that there's a commie mod on Sup Forums, that's why none of these threads have been deleted

>tfw we had filthy reds monitoring this board

>Would you like for USSR and socialist system to be restored?
>Yes, and I think it's entirely possible 14%
>Yes, but I think right now it's impossible 44%
>No 31%
>Don't know 10%

And another one.
>What role do you think Lenin played in the history of our country?
>entirely positive 13%
>mostly positive 40%
>mostly negative 21%
>entirely negative 6%
>don't know 20%

That's not a no Scotsman fallacy and your post isn't made in good faith whatsoever. Communists never supported party dictatorship or a state-capitalist command economy. Really you should read Marx and Kropotkin. Even if you don't like them it would at least be good to know your enemies to better challenge their arguments.

>Well doesn't it get tiring starting the same thread multiple times a day, only to just have everyone call you a commie faggot and leave it at that?
I have a thick skin and would like to discuss/debate leftism on Sup Forums like we used to.

>That, and mostly that, should make you reconsider your stances.
Have you ever reconsidered your stance? Have you read any theory whatsoever? I went from libertarianism(American kind) to anarchism to left communism as I continued to study. I can't grow politically without debate to challenge my ideas and make me rethink my position. This is always the way I approached it.

This is a board for politically incorrect discussion. Communism is not politically incorrect. Kys commie faggot.

>Lenin
>positive

Name one thing that Lenin did that was positive. Shipping your farmers to Siberia and letting the peasantry starve to death doesn't seem like such a positive to me.

Overthrow of tsarist regime.

Interesting, I would have expected Russians to be pretty adamantly against gommunism. I was referring to mainly western countries like UK, US, France, Canada, etc wherein communism is super popular at the moment, but hated up until then.

Why do you think Russians are semi-friendly with their gommie past?

Their brand of socialism was not primarily economic. Their socialism was about the social structure and unification of the people.

Profit motive doesn't drive production in socialism. Porducts are produced to meet needs rather than make someone rich. There are no markets in socialism so as long as you are meeting whatever quotas the community or larger federation/confederation set there shouldn't be any problem. And fwiw the Anarchists in Spain had higher worker productivity during their self-rule than at any other point. Workers coops seem to do fine too once they get off the ground.

>Workers themselves actually are doing most of the day to day operations of a business themselves. A lot of the bureaucracy we have now wouldn't exist because this is outside of the market model.

Do you actually know what I'm talking about when I say running a business or are you just filling in the blanks to fit your narrative? It seems like the latter.

>There are some fairly large coops out there. Mondragon is something like the 5th largest corporation in Spain.

Interesting to know, notice how I've never heard of them or their products.

>Socialism is a system revolutionizing system just like capitalism. It has to replace the globalized economic order in favor of an international democratic model to function. You can't meet every person's needs well when you're isolated and under attack on all sides.

So you're admitting it doesn't have the robustness to actually stand on its own and must have every system be exactly like it?

>What I find odd is that you think capitalism is somehow the end of economic progress.

What I find odd is that you read that in my statement where no where did I say it. This is why I normally dont talk with leftist anymore, my experience has been just this. They have a preconceived notion of how people think just because they don't buy into their ideology. Almost all debates I've had go this way, assumptions everywhere and projecting their own anger onto what I should feel.

As for the access to jobs, robotics is not cost effective enough to begin on any kind of large scale. Even when it does, new jobs will open because no machine, so far, can 100% accurately diagnose a problem in another machine, I'd know I'm a mechanic.

While I don't mind discussion learn to assume less and tell some of your members to stop arguing from a moral stand point. I'm heading back to work and good luck to you.

How do you respond when mentally ill retards start to organize your life in ways that are doomed to fail?

I've been talking to eastern Europeans for a long time. and like I said earlier in the thread there are always mixed views, but that still ignores the point that I'm not in favor of Soviet state-capitalist command economies. I want economic democracy, not dictatorship.

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socialism isnt politics its just autistic screeching

I guess you got me there. Atleast they had plenty of prisons to use.

Please answer my questions

If you can show me how communism wouldn't totally fuck me in the ass and completely collapse my field of work, I will go out and buy a Marx and Lenin poster and eagerly await the revolution.

I hope other people here agree with me: I am totally fine with people talking about socialist, communism, or any kind of political ideology. I am interesting in political discussion. But I don't like when people raid the board or create 4-5 generals at once.

So go ahead and talk about political stuff you want to discuss, but don't create a deluge of threads for the sole purpose of annoying the board or swaying the ideology of the board.

>they're
we're*

FTFY

FUCK YOU AND FUCK YOUR SOCIALISM AND CAPITALISM SHIT.
YOU FUCKING FAGGOT LIVE IN THE US, A RICH COUNTRY BUILD ON THE FUCKING CAPITALISM.
WANNA SOME GOOD OL' SOCIALISM, BITCH? COME TO UKRAINE, SEE FOR YOURSELF WHAT COMMUNISM DOES TO COUNTRIES. Fucking fuck, dude, you're like one of those hipsters hating on capitalism while typing on your brand new iPhone 10.
Fuck you.

This is board is politically incorrect, so I don't see a problem with having some threads on one of the most dysfunctional ideologies in existence.

Yes I read the manifesto when I was 14, understand maybe half of it but still called myself a communist. I had a teacher who handed out excerpts of it during class, encouraging the "smarter students" to read into the material. I believed in the worker's struggle, in fair resource distribution, and the like.

Then I grew up, worked different jobs for a few years and read Basic Economics by Sowell. I've been pretty hard right since then, but not just because of Sowell. That book only taught me about the economic realities of socialism.

My personal disdain came from the fact that I had a teacher who brainwashed children, and she's still working at that high school. I just don't think that's right but it's still a personal reason I wouldn't expect someone else to care about.

I've also changed a lot politically, and while I agree with *some* tenets of socialism, I prefer to look at outcomes rather than intent.

Socialism, my friend, has an absolutely awful history of outcomes.

>rightards figthing for illusionary things
not even surprised

The commies will repent

Because we were a great and respected power. We produced our own things instead of buying Chinese shit. We developed new technologies instead of just selling oil and gas to the West to the benefit of the few that don't even live in the country. We promoted non-degenerate culture instead of trying to imitate America. Because people didn't have to beg on the streets to survive their old age on a meager pension. Among other reasons.

I support this user.

> I had a teacher who handed out excerpts of it during class, encouraging the "smarter students" to read into the material.
Holy shit is canada really this cucked?

>amerifat
>talking about communism/socialism like he has a clue
I hope putin nukes you all soon

Marxism isn't politics, Marxism is mental gymnastics. Dielatectis are basically "everything is wrong, we can force men to behave in this way, there's no such thing as human nature blah blah it's all social, all science is wrong, society is god"