/left/ Lefty Politics General: Last time had some actual discussion edition

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As usual, discuss Marxism, Communism, Socialism, and other leftist ideologies here.

Post informational pictures, videos, and dank gommie memes ITT.

Buttblasted liberals and stormfags keep the shitposting to a minimum. Thanks and have fun!

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youtube.com/watch?v=0WfoxDzCDUU
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s3.jacobinmag.com/issues/jacobin-abcs.pdf
youtube.com/watch?v=T9Whccunka4
theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Soviet_inventions
youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc
youtu.be/u6XAPnuFjJc
twitter.com/AnonBabble

Sniffs for everyone

Remember that ugly, flabby SJW with neon pink hair you saw once? You know, that one with plaque and gingivitis in her mouth, with a screeching voice and an entitled, spoiled attitude? The one that said #killallwhitemales wearing "problem" glasses that smelled as if she forgot to wipe her ass?

She was probably a communist.

how do i gulag?

The wealth in the world is controlled by a disproportionately small percentage of the population, and this is bad for the rest of us, prove me wrong.

I suggest a step to improve things:
>nationalize all military contractors, and put the profits into job creation for working-class citizens

Discuss

Didn't the OP used to have resource links and a "If you don't see a general in the catalog, please copy and paste this" line?

Stop pretending to be leftwing it's boring

appealing to "cringe by association"

No one wants to be friends with a commie.

Nah, SJWs can't into Lenin, they're all about muh poor innocent Anastasia Romanov. I blame Disney.

*Sniff*
*Sniff*
EWWWWWW! What's that smell?!

Probably a commie because they can't afford toilet paper!

>says the anime poster

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Stay away Syka. Get away idiot blyad! She's will eat you.
youtube.com/watch?v=0WfoxDzCDUU
youtube.com/watch?v=wwUQWfyrqNA

The only thing communists can teach you is why you should hate them.

Says the neet living in his moms basement pissing into mountain dew bottles.

Rude

I'd be friends with an animu poster over a lefty pinko any day.

Kek

Fun fact: Karl Marx advocates opiate use!

Don't do drugs or communism kids, but if you had to choose, don't do communism or else millions of people will starve.

Daily reminder that fascism is the logical evolution of liberalism

yeah, here's the usual one:

>Socialism is an economic and social system defined by social ownership of the means of production. (Workers democratically own and operate the places in which they work, as opposed to private power aka capitalism)

>The means of production are non-human inputs the create economic value, such as factories, workplaces, industrial machinery, etc. Socialists refer to the means of production as capital, or private property. Private property in the socialist context shouldn't be confused with personal property, such as your home, car, computer, and other possessions.

>In a capitalist society the means of production are owned and controlled privately, by those that can afford them (the capitalist aka those with capital). Production is carried out to benefit the capitalist (production for profit). Workers are paid a wage, and receive that amount regardless of how much value they produce.

>Communism is the highest developed stage of socialism wherein there is no state, no money, no class system. The means of production are owned by all and provide for everyone's needs.

Resources:

ABC's of Socialism: s3.jacobinmag.com/issues/jacobin-abcs.pdf

Introduction to Marxism by Professor Richard D. Wolff: youtube.com/watch?v=T9Whccunka4

Selections of Left-wing Literature:
Anarchist:
theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread

Libertarian:
Mikhail Bakunin - God and the State (short read)
Thomas Paine - Agrarian Justice
Noam Chomsky - Notes on Anarchism
Anton Pannekoek - Worker's Councils

Marxist-Leninist:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

Capitalism grows while communism shrinks! If you know what I mean...

Anime is communist now my man

Contd

>revisionist detected

If America is such a racist country, why do Asians out-earn whites?

I've read Das Kapital and tried some of Engles' books, but i can't understand one thing. How are you supposed to maintain that level of inner colonization in the long run? What will we do once all resources have been shared evenly and there are none left. Wouldn't the whole system collapse into Anarchy or Tribalism to take someone else's resources?

Idpol != Communism

>and nothing of value was lost

There is only one way communism beats capitalism: diversity. Capitalism has benefited ALL white nations and only some Asian and black nations.

Communism meanwhile starved whites, blacks and asians. Talk about cultural enrichment!

>hoxha detected

Here it is, sorry I was a lazy fuck:
This thread is for the discussion of any and all left-wing political ideology, including, but not limited to, Marxism/Socialism/Communism/Anarchism/Syndicalism/etc.

>Socialism is an economic and social system defined by social ownership of the means of production. (Workers democratically own and operate the places in which they work, as opposed to private power aka capitalism)

>The means of production are non-human inputs the create economic value, such as factories, workplaces, industrial machinery, etc. Socialists refer to the means of production as capital, or private property. Private property in the socialist context shouldn't be confused with personal property, such as your home, car, computer, and other possessions.

>In a capitalist society the means of production are owned and controlled privately, by those that can afford them (the capitalist aka those with capital). Production is carried out to benefit the capitalist (production for profit). Workers are paid a wage, and receive that amount regardless of how much value they produce.

>Communism is the highest developed stage of socialism wherein there is no state, no money, no class system. The means of production are owned by all and provide for everyone's needs.

Resources:

ABC's of Socialism: s3.jacobinmag.com/issues/jacobin-abcs.pdf

Introduction to Marxism by Professor Richard D. Wolff: youtube.com/watch?v=T9Whccunka4

Selections of Left-wing Literature:
Anarchist:
theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread

Libertarian:
Mikhail Bakunin - God and the State
Thomas Paine - Agrarian Justice
Noam Chomsky - Notes on Anarchism
Anton Pannekoek - Worker's Councils

Marxist-Leninist:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

Practically everyone ""advocated opiate use"" in those days; it was a common over-the-counter drug. Lazy b8 is lazy.

this argument is boring, respond to an actual leftist idea
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Yes it is. Minorities are more likely to be poor. Therefore, your stupid ass ideology would have to have to disproportionately cater to minorities by design. "check your privilege" lefty scum.

> What will we do once all resources have been shared evenly and there are none left

What makes you think production stops in communism... We don't run out of resources, we continue to produce - more efficiently than in Capitalism, to be honest.

Why do you think that the earth does not have enough resources to sustain us especially when population would stabilize with the education of those less able to obtain it?

Karl: Hey Engles?
Engles: Yes Karl?
Karl: What if, instead of rewarding people for hard work, we reward them for agreeing with us!
Engles: Sounds like a plan Karl!

>theory grown directly from marx != communism
all of them are self professed commies anyway so not that it matters

Why cant all of socialist Venezuela feed one dog?

China implemented capitalist reforms after chairman Mao died

Under these reforms, roughly 70% of it's population has been lifted out of poverty.
That's almost 1 billion people no longer starving

The small percentage of people, to a large extent (with the exception of certain obviously materialistic businessmen), represent the will of the people and are able to manage money better than the ruled.

You assume this is only a problem facing communism, but rather, limited resources is a problem that all economic systems face. Communism is more prepared than capitalism to face these challenges because unlike capitalism collective action to fix future problems is much more possible.

Wrong. If someone produces more value for a company, they will as a result of the free market have to pay that person more money for that person to not go and work for the companies competition.

Fascism comes directly from marxism, doesn't mean fascism = communism.

so he was religious? ;)

anime has always been communist, a true proletariat force working for the good of the worker.
Your party's claims that it is only now being subverted towards a common goal are burjy lies and plots to undermine our authority
>Just when I thought I wouldn't have to send anyone to gulag today.

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Why did socialist Romania execute thier socialist leaders, were they not happy with socialism?

>marx invented corporatism
please

This is a subversion thread from /leftypol, and Reddit
They have been planning to raid this place with these threads for awhile now. What they want is to create dissent to either completely get this board erased, or at the very least get it to split.

It's best to just ignore them.
>sage

How do I into fascism bro? Seems that it's the only thing that works in Latin America
Also, how do I reconcile fascism with my belief in personal freedom (in some areas) and freedom of speech and media? Is a compromise possible?

Leon Trotsky, Vladimir Lenin and Josef Stalin

Marry, Fuck and Kill?

Ah I remember that famous quote by Marx a real classic!

more egptyian catgirls pls

Why do Cubas hospitals look like shit?

You need to go through capitalism to reach communism. If anything China shows that communists understand capitalism better than capitalist ideologues

NORMIES GET OFF MY CHAN
REEEEEEEEEEE
>>>/reddit/

This is the most backwards argument I've ever seen.

Whether or not "minorities" are poor or rich doesn't affect my view. What matters is that they are poor - not their race or ethnicity or whatever. I'm not gonna cater to them on grounds of ethnicity - that would be Idpol - I'll cater to them just as I would to any person - black, white or anything else: on the grounds that they are poor.

Why do I have to disproportionately cater to their ethnicity? You're bought into Idpol yourself if you think you have to cater to such stupid identity politics.

lenin, trotsky, stalin

No, that's Capitalism you're thinking of.

Just a few bad apples, eh?
I say they are not evil people, but work towards their own self-interest in a system that rewards them disproportionately.
I say the problem is not a few greedy ones, but the system itself.

>Leon Trotsky, Vladimir Lenin and Josef Stalin

How about Titio?

It's closer to syndicalism than corporatism.

If you think fascism is corporatism then you don't know what fascism is and have only swallowed a memetic definition of it that is no better than a strawman.

Why cant socialism produce beautiful things?

>cherry picking this hard

Sure, just use the magic of social engineering like most Commie-Lites do in academia

but instead of using it to destroy the host culture to make way for multikulti, use it to reinforce culture via social shaming

this is the way America worked up until the summer of love

How does communism inspire innovation?

The point is that he is enumerated based on value produced, where he goes to engage in exchange doesn't matter as long as he is exchanging labour power for money in a Capitalist society.

Why cant socialism build beautiful buildings?

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>USSR
>socialism
shiggy diggy

But it can.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Soviet_inventions

That's a non-answer my friend. I didn't say production stops, i say what will we do once we have run out of raw material?

I'm not talking about the entire planet, I'm talking of the Communist state or entity, the place were communism is implemented. And what do you mean with "The stabilization of population with the education of those les able to obtain it"?

You cannot reach communism
It's retard-tier fairytail bullshit

In the end it descends into dictatorship, like all failed states

You tell me

Wasnt cuba supposed to have nice hospitals?

Materialism is more human nature than bad, I agree.

But, to work in their self interest they prop up the world. Your world isn't going to be that great if you're in your 100 story building while the rest of your nation is a ghetto.

How does profit and capitalism inspire innovation?
youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc

Nigger goes in all fields

>not liking brutalism

>kulak detected

Not everything is based around the profit motive

youtu.be/u6XAPnuFjJc

>Conflating social justice warmongering and communism
Nigga, are you even trying?

Reddit is SJW/neoliberal for the most part user. They make a vague pretense of egalitarianism while being perfectly to sit on their asses and enjoy the fruits of sweatshop labour.

Read The Ideology of Fascism by James Gregor as well as his book on Marxism, Fascism, and Totalitarianism.

Fucking fantastic works.

>forgot pic

>Cuba
>socialism
Shiggy Diggy!

this

Did you know Cuba has different hospitals for tourists and cubans?

>Bash the Fash

These are innovations of the soviet government via the Cold War. The question is how does communism inspire innovation?

Class are formed naturally because hierarchy is the natural state of reality. Egalitarianism is delusional and tone deaf to the very nature of existence. Communism is a snake oil salesman tier idea.

Looks like youd catcha cold just standing inside one of these.

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Well if we literally run out of raw materials, we're as fucked in Capitalism as we are in Communism, regardless.

Communism makes it less likely to get to that point, though, as Capitalism is an almost anarchic system of investors buying up shit because it turns a quick profit, while Communism can plan for the future without having short term profit as its constant priority.

Look at the way we manage fuel consumption today: Capitalist interests of short term profit mean that moving away from oil and into greener, more sustainable fuel sources, is slow and constantly stopped by business interests in the oil markets.

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Basically the fairytale of "communism" is a beautiful lie that high verbal-IQ jews used to destroy western ethno-states so they could have access to the power structure

The fact that people still fall for this is baffling

>lazy OP for a general
>pic basically says all you need to know about communism

Why is this shit even being discussed at this point?

You can't have communism without it being world wide, now socialism at least early on could exist in a single country and as far as population stabilizing, the most educated countries on earth have seen a reduction in population as people start having only 1 or 2 kids as opposed to 4 to 5 like years ago.