Did we lose vietnam even though we never lost a battle?

Did we lose vietnam even though we never lost a battle?

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Seeing as you surrendered, yes

you 100% "failed your mission"

yes america has not won a war since before 1812

unfortunately america is a country of losers and frequent losses

america takes credit for ww2 but who stormed hitlers bunker? WE did

who stormed the beach? WE did

who assisted with the development of the bomb? WE did

>Seeing as you surrendered, yes

We withdrew, we didn't surrender.

George Washington lost a lot of battles and yet here we are.

Sure thing buddy, whatever the schools tell you.

It was "lost" due to our government leaders. When would BTFO the nips and then they would go to peace talks. There would be a ceasefire, and the chinks would build their forces again. Rinse and repeat for 10 years. We would also go into battle, win, and then leave without taking land. Then the zipper heads would come back into the area.

you need more training from your master

>Ran away

holy shit that was one abhorrent post good job

We quit. Then South Vietnam lost.

It wasn't inevitable, US policy was fucked after Kennedy took over. Then LBJ doubled down on the fuck ups, and by then it's 1969 and a lot of people are fucking dead and several years wasted.

doesn't sound like a scheme to make money at all

And add micromanagement from McNamara and crew in DC, impossible rules of engagement, constant changes in what the mission was, and no exit strategy or even a set goal of what winning was.

Viet Nam was prolonged specifically to keep Johnson's war buddies in government contracts. Nixon gets teh blame, but he inherited a clusterfuck from Johnson, and was actually deescalating it with a set withdrawal goal, but the SV govt and SVA were corrupt beyond managing and didn't give a shit about rice farmers.

You were in it too fucker

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Atleast they got a possitive military KDR

and not just mass murding citizens pretending its soldiers and officers.

>Sweden supporting the Viet Cucks
What the fuck?

[citation needed]

btw civilian casualties are accounted for and properly listed.

Yes.

You failed to achieve the objectives of the war and had to give up. The enemy achieved it's goals.

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We lost the war because we pulled out. I don't understand why so many give the US shit over this, we killed about a million of them, and we lost about 55k men. No one surrendered, we left the war for the vietnamese to take charge, because no one supported the war on our mainland. What shame is there in that? Yes we lost, only because we decided to stop beating their corpse.

God in Heaven
Is there no end to their degeneracy?

>communism
>keeping the harvest you sow

lol leave it to a dumb gook to not understand what he's even fighting for

Is Vietnam communist?
The answer to both questions is the same.

>who stormed hitlers bunker?
>we did
Try again Canada. It was the fuckin Soviets

That's pretty catchy. Is music the one thing communists get right?

art in general
including architecture
(inb4 commie blocks)

You know both your countries had forces their too...

They were politically unstable and politically isolated due to the wonders of communism. They're more socialist now, so one of those answers isn't technically yes.

>Is Vietnam communist?

That's the fault of the SV Government. Troops were introduced as advisers by Kennedy who wanted to limit US exposure. Johnson wanted full scale involvement, which he did immediately after Kennedy's death.

The US wasn't there to make SV a colony (ask the French about that).

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>never lost a battle?
58,315 dead
303644 wounded
americans
but hey, at least kissinger got the nobel peace prize right?

Lost what fucking war? We LITERALLY were not there to win that war, that was not even in the fucking description of what the US was there to do, do you even know anything at all about Vietnam?

yes,
vietnam was when american high command learned the value of pschological warfare
because it's why we lost
tet offensive was all about mindfucking american civilians back home, and the VC knew exactly what they were doing

>won a war
65,000 civilian dead
444,000–1,100,000 military dead or missing
600,000+ wounded
viet congs
but hey, at least they got to enjoy communism for a few years until they became socialist right?

Yes, and we were the belligrents on the losing side. We lost. Do you think we won?

>Did we lose Vietnam
Yes. How do some of my fellow Americans not know this. I'm I understand having pride in your country, but don't be retarded.

We lost the Vietnam War. If it makes you feel any better the Vietnam War was part of the Cold War, and we won the Cold War.

umm
americans paid for the bullets and bombs that killed those people
then left
and i'm sure whatever happened afterwords was slightly less painful than FUCKING NAPALM
enjoy your victory
say hi to one of those wheelchair vets

We did not win nor did we lose because the objective, by written accounts, stated the US was not there to win the war.

US. Was. Not. There. To. Win. The. War.

even though we lost we still won. the entire goal was to stop chinese influence from spreading in vietnam. turns out the vietnamese really don't like china and just wanted to be independent gommies. now look at today and vietnam wants to open relations with the usa. we win even when we lose

Militarily we won by a large margin, politically we lost catastrophically. Vietnam gets called a war, but how can you call something a war when you know where your enemy is hiding and where he moves his supplies but you refuse to destroy him and his means to make war? Vietnam in my eyes was the first police action of an empire, not a war. If it wasn't for the piles of dead commies I wouldn't be able to smile when I think about it.

What is your point in this, leaf?

>Canada tries to take credit for winning wars that happened before Canada was a sovereign nation.

Regardless we lost. Even if our intent wasn't to win, that doesn't mean we cannot lose.

>We lost the Vietnam War.
DC lost the war, not the military.
America lost the war because it exposed how little DC cared about the kids it sent over.
SV lost the war, because the people in charge were too busy collecting US dollars to give a shit. The people of SV didn't care either, because there's nothing poorer than poor.

War objective: Preserve the independence of South Vietnam

Result: Failed

Bu-but we got a higher bodycount!

>I didn't lose, I wasn't even trying to win

Vietnam ended up the same with or without capitalism, with or without communusm.

everyone lost
just like with 9/11
how about that?

Dat k/d man

Dat k/d.

Suck it gookins.

Debate my daisy cutter napalm ass.

vietnam was like the invasion of russia only you pulled out before you had your Stalingrad because the media and hippies would have had a field day

americans are so fucking stupid they can't seem to figure out that YOU ALL GOT FUCKED
military industrial complex made billions, instead of you getting roads and schools
your sons and daughtwers died for no good fucking reason while kissinger and company drank champagne and laughed at you
LAUGHED with their big fucking jew noses they laughed all the way to the fucking bank they own

Well there's this one. I have to warn you though, it's quite graphic. Lots of grown men crying and shaking. Literally. You know, like an American war movie.

youtube.com/watch?v=BFIemKduYdI

>DC lost the war, not the military.
Doesn't matter. A loss for one is a loss for the other.

Well it was preserved for a year with peace so it was like South Korea. Then we left and eventually north invaded

Fuck off kike

Even I know it was russia faggot

Napoleon complex much?

Well that's only because we suspended arms shipments to South Vietnam and failed to honor the protocols in the Paris Accords.

The NVA got dumped $1 billion by the Soviets for their final offensive.

North Vietnam wouldn't probably have invaded again, the Soviets were fucking pissed at the Vietnamese and were tired of it too.

We did win cause Vietnam isn't communist anymore
Checkmate faggots

>your sons and daughters
only the conservative and nationalistic once

the south became communist, we lost, but we saved as many innocents as we could and brought them here or to our allies before we pulled out in the last week or so.

Dumbfuck there was a draft kys

>Vietcong objective: Get the US to leave
>US objective: Remove the vietcong

Guess which one of those things actually happened.

Holy fuck! This!

Is this a joke or something? I honestly never knew about this.

YOU DISGUST ME, I HOPE I CAN SELL YOU OUT ON THE DAY OF THE RAKE FOR MY OWN LIFE

>we lost something we never did or intended to do

I'll say it again, we didn't lose or win the "war" because the objective was not to win a war.

That's like saying the people who funded Hitler in WW2 also lost because Nazi Germany lost.

They didn't, it wasn't their war.

Nice exaggeration. And after we left the War in Vietnam life continued normally. He 80's came and that was one of the most influencial time periods for the US. You keep pushing
>hurr you lost
So what? There wasn't any merit for the Viet Congs winning either.

>>DC lost the war, not the military.
>Doesn't matter. A loss for one is a loss for the other.
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It was a political defeat, not a military one. The military was never allowed to win.

DC was more concerned about fighting the NV over the table size and shape than allowing the Generals to conduct a proper military action.

Your dad pulled out but you were still born weren't you?

You got analy fucked by a bunch of rich farmers that crawled through tunnels

We should just let Vietnam occupy the US since clearly the US is not worthy of its title

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>It was a political defeat, not a military one. The military was never allowed to win.
It's a defeat nonetheless.

False Equivalency
We were fighting the Viet Congs, and one of their objectives was the get us to leave.

The US withdrawing from the war had nothing to do with the millitary from the Viet Cong. We withdrew due to a lack of support for the war.

You want to win a war? OK

Do these 4 things right.

Lets see how they apply to Nam

>1. Have a clear objective so you know when the war is over.
Returning back to arrangements as the existed in 1963 Indochina was a retarded aspiration.

>Have popular support of the locals.
lul nope

>Cut off the enemy supply.
We let Russians ship arms into the country and refused to deprive the North of their industrial capacity.

>Maintain political morale on the homefront.
People saw it as a bullshit war in a foreign shithole. Nobody supported it after 1968.

No.

We fought for 15 years.
We fought Vietnam, Cambodia, China and Russia
Kill / Death ratio was insane.
Eventually Vietnam was forced to normalize relations with America.

We have never lost any war. Ever.

you make it sound like they fucking invited you over for a war party
you got fucked, iraq, fucked again, libya, fucked again, syria, fucked again
you must love being fucked

>anally fucked
The Vietnam War was lost because we left it. We left due to a lack of support. How is getting tired of beating a dead horse a horse kicking your ass?
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Let me ask this: did we gain anything in the long run from the vietnam war at all?

Serious question.

hey thats our flag

War is political. Read Clausewitz you dolt.

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Some pretty bitchin' war movies.

Do we gain anything from fucking world war 1 fuck off didn't get shit

Nixon
Hippies
Eventually Reagan

christ de pays de marde basé sur la manipulation et le mensonge.

I've said it and will say it again, the conflict was lost because we withdrew. Why is there a continual and incessant urge to shame the US for this? It really is hard to do so when you realize that the war was lost because we left.

true

We didn't lose. Despite everything, we left Vietnam with a solid peace treaty between North and South. The North then rearmed and roflstomped the South while our garrison force could only watch in horror while evacuating.

Also, most US engagements were with the North Vietnamese Army, a contemporary Communist military following modern doctrine using Soviet and ChiComm weapons. The whole "defeated by rice farmers lol" meme needs to die. It's simply not true.

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No (you) for you, you fucking LEAF

>did we gain anything in the long run from the vietnam war at all?

Some of the best rock and roll ever created.

I love leafposting.

Technically, no we didn't "lose" because we had treaties and shit and were at a ceasefire when we withdrew and all that bullshit.

Going by any metrics that actually matter, yeah we lost that motherfucker. It was a huge waste of resources, money, and lives that accomplished nothing besides making defense contractors and a few others rich.

The war 9 years of US involvement.

The Chinese were backing the Cambodians.

The Russian were backing the Vietnamese.

Those alliances hated each other.

This was after Sino-Soviet split.

Do more research on the era.

The War in Iraq and Syria are wars we have won though. The connotations from the word fucked is completely absent when you use it in this situation.

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>we never lost a battle

Well for starters. You're a fucking retard.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Junction_City

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lang_Vei

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ap_Bac

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Lam_Son_719

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dak_To

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cedar_Falls