Redpill me on mgtow

men with options actually choosing to go their own way and ignoring women?

or men sent their own way because women ignore them?

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If you're easily triggered and like complaining about problems that are too complex for your tiny mind, which describes most people browsing Sup Forums, then you'd fit right in

mgtow is yet another of (((their))) tricks

yes good guy why not just give up on women right? gay = okay right goy you arent homophobic are you???

movement for bitter virgins

They are men who have a philosophy of life and feel the need to make a "group" and talk about it, to comfort them in their own ideas.

Exactly like liberal cucks.

You want to stay a bachelor? Then do it, why do you need the approval of fucking strangers on the Internet?

They're beta pussies.

I'm not MGTOW but I got twenty bucks that says a hot MGTOW dude is worth at least triple what some faggot feminist dude is worth on the open-market.

On-topic, if you want to understand MGTOW, try that Sandman dude. Lots of vids.

It's simply the Dunning-Kruger effect.

obviously bitter beta nerds
there are plenty of legit 'mgtow' but they aren't turning it into an identity

It's the age of Universe 25 and the behavioral sink in some cases, in others maybe the man has bad experiences from the past with woman. Perhaps cannot locate a suitable mate, perhaps doesn't want a relationship?

I have no problem with it unless they start going all gay bottom and homosex enmasse I suppose. You won't get too writing off half the human race, that's a silly dialect.

I'm not really sure what it is, but I guess it depends on the person. I just pursue women for casual sex and I get it too. I probably won't ever marry and have kids unless things start changing in western society. I feel that way because I wish I was never born into this shit when I think about it and wouldn't want someone else to be forced into this hell either.

It makes sense to refuse to get married but practically no guy is refusing to date or fuck girls (except uggos) of their own choice.

>people who share similar ideas are cucks
good thing you have never had an original idea in your life, or you might know what intellectualism looks like D:

whites having babies in the current year without any plans for rahowa are selfish sociopaths

>men choosing to voluntarily end their genetic line

Choose extinction, what could ever go wrong?

Just remember not to ever again complain that the white master race is being outbred or some similarly retarded shit.

theres a terrible resource/person ratio right now its a shitty fucken existence everywhere in the world
theres an egregious white/minority ratio too but how does having babies fix that fundamental problem

So people who have children of genetic value are selfish? What kind of logic is that?

>throwing a kid into a life of slavery and subjugation is not selfish

Lol it's funny that people still try to push the Malthusian meme. We aren't running out of resources we probably never will. Humanity has consistently figured out how to be more efficient m with the same amount of resources. With modern science and I really find it hard to believe we will ever fall into some sort of Malthusian trap where we need to make a conscious effort to reduce our population. The worst part is birth rates are declining in the wealthipcountries on their own. Really I think we'll run out of people way before we run out of resources.

just because there are plenty of resources around, which i agree with, doesn't mean my kids get easy access to them you fuck

Why are you even here?

Yes, yes, don't have kids! Huehuehue

I've been reading and watching MGTOW for 2 years now.

Here's what I've got out of it. This isn't what most MGTOW think, but it's a synthesis of the salient points.

1) Women are more easily indoctrinated than men. As such, the state, via "feminism", has targeted the smartest of women with a message telling women that they are simultaneously the best thing on Earth, but that they are oppressed, which is why most of them just want to stay at home and care for children or be NEETs. Since most women never ask other women, they assume that they are being told the truth. The concept of microaggressions validates women in estimating themselves to be oppressed.

2) Once indoctrinated, women imagine themselves to be princesses, deserving of male provisioning and simultaneously not needing male provisioning. They demand to be treated as queens but consider capitulation to them, from most men (see Hypergamy), to be a rule-out factor for mating. In other words, women shit-test until their man breaks, and then they swing to the next branch.

3) (controversial) If you get a woman who is a virgin OR who hasn't been directly ejaculated into, her process of bonding to you will deprogram her. It's like Sleeping Beauty; if she falls in love with you, she may awaken to the ways in which she's been misled.

4) Even "deprogrammed" women still exhibit hypergamy, so the tendency for women to branch-swing must ultimately be controlled by social pressures, punishment to women who defect/cheat their spouses, and state/community intervention. In the current climate, many, if not most, women will cheat eventually, and at that point there are no clear answers as to how (or if) to save your relationship.

5) Circumcision has been discussed by MGTOW. It decreases sexual pleasure and makes men more likely to cheat and fall into poly (Chad) patterns, because, with reduced sensation, variety becomes a major component of the male sex drive.

You're a fucking tard and likely some pro abortion head case

>You want to stay a bachelor? Then do it, why do you need the approval of fucking strangers on the Internet?

You seem oblivious. Most people that are against MGTOW are against the very idea of men not dating or marrying women. This idea of "go your own way but don't make a movement" is bullshit. People complain about men not dating women all the time.

MGTOW is literally a "movement" whereby incels tell the world "it's not like I wanted to get laid anyway"

>theres an egregious white/minority ratio too but how does having babies fix that fundamental problem

Are you seriously asking how having babies of your kind increases the amount of people of your kind in the world?

Look, if you don't have kids, someone else's kids, namely ahmed's, will just move in and take your shit when you're too old to work/defend yourself.

This is completely accurate. Mgtow are a bunch of dogmatic cucks that feel the need to project their ideology to world to try to prove a point. Just search up the retarded mgtowers on youtube, most of which are faggots, and you'll get to hear their sermons and the commandments they preach.

>People complain about men not dating women all the time.

Who gives a fuck? If you're happy and successful what does it matter if people complain about your lifestyle? No one can force you to marry or have kids and that's the great thing.

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6) Men and women have innate biological drives, but they can be controlled, if you understand them. On a society-wide scale, we need controls to reduce hypergamy and encourage families.

Obviously, men and women are different in many ways.

7) Unilateral divorce (no-fault) with presumption of motherhood (men rarely get evenly shared custody), men are disincentivized from becoming fathers.
To address OP's questions:

You're misunderstanding it. You're looking at it from the individual's perspective. When you look at the whole picture of the dating market, you will understand better.

Women want resources. With wealth inequality as it is, women in the workforce, women favored in all of the areas that lead up to employment ("We need more women in this field!"), and men simultaneously feeling alienated by women-friendly policies such as vague sexual harassment standards, women are stepping up and men are stepping back. This leaves the genders in a position where it is rare for a man and a woman of breeding age to be able to make a long-term commitment to one another.

Neither men nor women are able to find people of the opposite sex with whom they can settle down. MGTOW is men realizing that the decision to find women or not is largely made for them by the women around them and by their own socioeconomic standard, so increasing numbers of men aren't even trying to meet women. This makes women increasingly desperate and neurotic as they approach 30 while men approaching 30 suddenly start having more choice about which woman to date.

Parents, as a group, end up settling down later in life, after far more partners, and with higher expectations, having been sold the idea that they're looking for the perfect fit. In reality, a couple works by cooperation. Thus, marriages become more scarce and last far shorter than they used to, and their children are less likely to get married, less likely to have kids, less likely to be employed...

Its simple: the single life is portrayed better and better and married life is being portreyed worse and worse. Fathers and husbands look like retarded wife slaves on TV. who the fuck wants to be like Homer simpson or that reymond? Women in general seem less and less apealing as the days go buy and it feels like good wife matirial women are going extinct.

More like Men Go Their Own Jew

In the end of the day, so far, nobody can force us to do anything. But anti-MGTOW people say that nobody cares, but yes, people complain it all the fucking time. I do not affiliate with internet movements and I see how easily MGTOW could be defeated. But still. There is absolutely still a pressure for men to get married and the people that deny that pressure exists are liars.

Go ahead, leave, see if we care.

So
>men with options actually choosing to go their own way and ignoring women?

>or men sent their own way because women ignore them?

Both.

The open dating market makes it very easy to see who has power and who doesn't. Wealthy, tall, attractive white men have their choice of women. Women see that these men are single and focus on them, ignoring the men actually in their league. These women inevitably give up their sexuality to these men but cannot lock down a relationship (because these men have so much choice), so they resent the partners they eventually "settle" for. The men who aren't the top 20% of attractiveness get locked out of the dating game, and when a woman settles for them at 30, she's bitter about it. She doesn't want to have sex with this "lesser" partner, so bed-death is common after the first year of marriage.

When men recognize that they are in the bottom 80% of men, and that they will not get what they want out of the dating market, they drop out.

The men who get their choice of women are "Chad"s.

The men who keep trying to "hook up" (emulate Chad) even though they're in the bottom 80% are called "fuck-boys", because they think they can get sex without relationships. They can, but it's infrequent sex.

The men who realize that they're wasting their time are called "MGTOW." There is no shame in recognizing that, due to circumstances beyond your control, you've ended up in the bottom 80% of men. That's where most men are. The shame, in my opinion, is the "fuck-boys" who buy into the Game/hookup culture and seek short-term sexual satisfaction, while simultaneously looking for a long-term relationship, because they end up looking for long-term partners in places where all the women are looking for short-term partners (Chad) (bars, clubs, concerts). These men, looking in the wrong places, never find the long-term relationships because they overstate their own desirability and Game-skills.

mgtow is a group of the most cucked nu males in existence
they're such losers that they have literally given up on reproducing
they're literally genociding themselves
they're fucking worthless anyway so i don't really have a problem with it

Op only post 1 thing, huh...that's odd

bar bar and Spetsnaz are better. Sandman is MGTOW 101. CS MGTOW is also good, as is Coterie.

shilled again?

Post ur feet

I am going MGTOW, but only temporarily to sort my shit out after divorcing my wife. After that, I will simply be much more selective about my future mate.....if my selective mindset means I'll be alone, that's cool.

Ultimate cucks who pretend to be "red pilled"

In reality they're all either porn addicts who masturbate alone or manwhores who fuck roasties while crying about women being whores.

I visited my mother’s house quite often in the Autumn. To my extreme rage, I discovered that my
sister now had a boyfriend, and that she had lost her virginity. She had casually “dated” boys in the past,
but never to the serious extent that she did with this one. This one was a half White, half Mexican
named Samuel, and I immediately took an intense disliking to him when I was first introduced to him. He
seemed like the typical obnoxious slob that most young girls are sexually attracted to. Georgia invited
him to my mother’s house all the time, and it angered me to watch him lurking about, eating my
mother’s food and drinks, and making use of my mother’s house. He was freeloading off my mother,
and she didn’t even realize it.
I eventually grew to hate him after I heard him having sex with my sister. I arrived at the house one
day, my mother being at work, and heard the sounds of Samuel plunging his penis into my sister’s vagina
through her closed room door, along with my sister’s moans. I stood there and listened to it all. So my
sister, who was four years younger than me, managed to lose her virginity before I did. It reminded me
of how pathetic I was, that at the age of twenty-two, I was still a virgin. I hated her boyfriend as well. My
sister said that he’s been with other girls before her, and I’m sure he lost his virginity at a much younger
age. It is such an injustice. The slob doesn’t even have a car, and he is able to get girlfriends, while I drive
a BMW and get no attention from any girls whatsoever.

Faggit

hmm sounds like a very selfish perspective
i should have kids so i can leech off them in my old age?

I wish I could have a relationship with a woman.

Genetic dead ends who cant accept that life is a struggle.

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Get in here and stop discussing meaningless!

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>men choosing to voluntarily end their genetic line
that isn't what MGTOW is about
if it was up to me I'd gladly raise two or three kids by myself (but most likely one) without a partner

Men who value their happiness and sanity over doing what society tells them. To be MGTOW is to not let anyone shame and control you life. Don't want to work yourself into an early grave to raise a family? Don't. Do you find having to deal with women not worth the sex? Then be single. Most don't even identify as MGTOW

>HURR UR JUST GIVING UP. IT'S YOUR DUTY TO REPRODUCE

Typical respond I'd expect from feminists and Sup Forums.

the problem is modern day laws and rules
raising a kid would be much easier if we adopted 18th century laws
kids dont eat much and dont need all that fancy crap they sell nowadays

That is a very sad story. I'm sorry to hear it, friend.

I hope that the large number of men in your shoes eventually form stronger male-only spaces than currently exist, so that your social needs can be more fulfilled than even those of married men, but it hasn't happened yet.

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>be 6' 3" handsome white male
>qt's message me first on Tinder
>sexually satisfied

Nah breh, I think I'll keep going this way

I sympathize with MGTOW but I find many flaws in their philosophy. I can never have a decent conversation on here about MGTOW without anti-MGTOW people sperging out at me though.

Eh, I would like to have a wife/family, but I just don't trust these hoes. Even if you find one who has a good attitude at the time, all the incentives are there for her to ruin your entire life the minute she feels like it.

the only redpill you need on this is that they're all ugly neckbeards who can't get laid, so they pretend they don't want women anyway.

That's another quote from Elliot Rodger's autobiography, "My Twisted World". Elliot Rodger is the guy in the picture enclosed with the post that you yourself made. you fuckin newfag faggot

why are there a million anti-MGTOW threads for every zero pro-MGOTW ones?

to read this shit you'd think it was a reaction to annoying pro-mgotw spam, but I've never seen anyone stump for that bullshit on Sup Forums, ever

MGTOWs are the biggest losers in the world, very sad dudes.

kik?

This phenomena has been vividly demonstrated to me when I moved to a liberal hell hole for work after university.

I went to a Top 1 University (the one in Boston). I am a white male with light eyes, and I'm not even that tall (only 5'10"). In an east coast major city I am worshiped by females, especially females of color. I have a plethora of options and will not settle for anything less that what I deserve, a white, light eyed, Christian virgin. If that means not getting married at all, so be it. If that means pursuing first generation immigrant females from Eastern Europe exclusively, then call me MGTOW. I will fuck as many sluts until then, though.

Now let's take a look at some of my fellow alumni, who happen to be Asian-Americans. They are COMPLETELY shut out of the game here. Ultra liberal females have explicitly said that they would not fraternize with Asian-American males. These guys aren't Chinese food delivery men, they are Ivy League educated lawyers, financiers, investment bankers, and tech workers. Yet females, even ASIAN females will not "stoop so low" as to date one of them.

How can you blame these Asian-Americans for opting out of the dating game and using sex tourism to find relief, or to arraigned marriages to find a mate?

I am MGTOW and so are they.

Elliot Roger?

I was sent my own way desu and in kind of sucks but you gotta come to terms with that.

Those with options that chose to opt out because they're still butthurt need to get over it. They're squandering their chances at a good, meaningful life. Never mind what's the deal with genders as a whole. You're dealing with individuals. And if you're MGTOW then you should know what to watch out for. Unless you're too autistic to figure out people like I am.

Hey Roger, I thought you were dead

You know how bad things are right now? Picture how bad they'll be by the time your daughter is a teen.

I think the world is in such a perilous position, especially in the UK, that having children is an act of supreme selfishness.