What were feminists and social justice warriors like in the 90s?

What were feminists and social justice warriors like in the 90s?

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Was shit like Buffy the Vampire Slayer representative of most mainstream feminist attitudes at the time?

Was Xena responsible for creating manly butch dykes?

Posting more strong indpendent women in media from back then

Really non-existent. You have to remember most of these ideologies are spread through the internet...that's how they become normalized.

-Tradition, strength, masculinity--these are good instinctive qualities that exist separate from any medium so they were always prevalent. But the sick SJW shit takes years to metastasize, but when you see it everywhere on the internet day by day it becomes more normal and the freaks that actually subscribe to this stuff find other "like minded" people like them discovering they're not alone so they began to no longer keep their twisted beliefs to themselves and organize meet ups in real life.

Honestly, a friend asked me a few days ago If I could remove one thing from existence, what would it be? I said the internet, even though I derive a lot of joy from using it--I do believe it has had a large hand in the moral decay of society.

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The internet certainly accelerrated things exponentionally, but as a child in the 90s I remember tons of media that promoted "muh strong womyn", though I was too young to really know anything about the social climate at the time. Would it be safe to say the seeds were sown for modern SJWs back then? Also what phenomenon is Jordan Peterson referring to when political correctness was on the rise in the 90s?

Doubtful. I doubt many women who weren't already gay watched that show.

Now Spartacus. That show might have made a few women gay.

Shows like Daria were obviously left-leaning and pro-feminist, how much impact did they have?

Idk but she was responsible for turning my dick into a giant diamond. Hard to pee desu

Those yummy mommy tits. I'm literally drooling.

I wouldn't know. I grew up in NYC and the "soapbox screeching militant feminist" type got laughed off the streets whenever spotted. Fuck...I remember how awful alphabet city and hells kitchen were before the mass gentrification.

This city lost its "zaz" a long time ago desu senpai. No more grittiness.

All this kind of "SJW/feminist/strong wiminz/homo" type of crap surfaced during last 6-8 years. I was in high school 6 years ago and everything was pretty normal, there were Chads, geeks, Staceys, general weirdos etc. typical hi-school characters. Now, when I walk past my ol´ hi-school, todays boys act like bunch of fags while girls dye their hair red or green, wearing those large hipster glasses and neck bracelets thinking they are better than anyone else.

Xena is HIGH ENERGY.

These are all fine and good examples of how to make strong female roles. They could draw you into the show by their own merits, not just YOU BETTER WATCH THIS OR YOU'RE SEXIST

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>Also what phenomenon is Jordan Peterson referring to when political correctness was on the rise in the 90s?

the 2010's is not the first time Political Correctness reared it's ugly head. If you watch the previous season of South Park, one of the episodes had a scene where two dudes mentioned PC culture came around about 20 years ago, disappeared for awhile, and has seemingly come back with a vengeance.

Here's a video of George Carlin talking about Political Correctness.

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It's hard to find actual examples, people didn't really take it as seriously in the 90's as they do now. The easiest examples to find are provided by Social Commentary of the time.

I also graduated 6 years ago but that shit already infected academia by my first year of college. One of my first liberal arts courses was about ageism in film taught by an old menopausal butch dyke. I just now started going back to school and it's a million times worse.

What I'm wondering is where it all started, these people didn't just come out of nowhere. The age group of them puts this kind of media in their developmental stages, so I'm wondering if there's any relation.

It wasn't as big a deal in the 90's.

Feminists were rightly a fringe movement of loonies. As a straight white man I found enjoyment in both Daria and Xena in the 90's.

Remember, Xena was a spinoff of Kevin Sorbo's Hercules and he made frequent appearances. The show had good stories and was entertaining because the characterization was good (unlike today). Xena was not a Mary Sue she was just really bad ass from overcoming adversity.

Daria was also a spinoff, of Beavis and Butthead. Daria showed a misanthropic worldview with exaggerated caricatures of high school experiences at the time. Daria herself was deeply troubled and never fit in, and it was well made an entertaining.

Neither show at the time struck me as explicitly feminist, because each had its own merits beyond "raaah grrl power." That's more than you can say these days.

She was the ultimate alpha female. She was what the 'independent women' should've become.

it was more about the environment

remember the exxon valdez

I definitely remember the term being thrown around back then, but I vaguely remember the more punk/grunge/alternative types rebelling against it, which confuses me becase I thought that was the crowd feminists tended to align with back then.

They watched Daria

Cunts that were horny, but didn't want to fuck because of muh antidepressants. No shit.

I can agree with that. They didn't seem spiteful against men, just strong and respectable in their own right. What the fuck happened?

It was the Obama administration that allowed these idiots out of the asylum and into the mainstream. Straight up. Even the early 00's weren't bad.

For actual social justice before it got hijacked by radical feminists.

Also that cunt Ellen coming out and being a dyke character accelerated the fag agenda. And seriously, lots of kids shows too. Rugrats promoted crossdressing nonstop.

Kurt Kobain put this quote inside one of his albums, I don't remember which. I always though it was funny because if you were reading it, YOU ALREADY BOUGHT THE ALBUM WOW SO EDGY.

A piece of me died when the (((producers))) gave Xena a Dindu love interest one episode.

there were none really they were mostly neo hippies that cared about world peace and they hated globalism with a passion . basically the complete opposite of what SJWs are now

What show was she in again originally?

Was sexism, racism, and homophobia back then used as the catch-all terms they are now?

This be true. Here, the progress was like this:
>Socialism (70-80's) --> Environmental (90's) --> Liberal SJW feminism and multiculturalism (00's)
Whenever a problem is fixed they make up a new one. Political party might change but the complain never ends.

Tiny. Being in they daddies' balls, and all.

in the 90s you could have a female lead character in a film and it wasn't cringe worthy as fuck . what the fuck happened ?

How did he specifically cause their rise?

Hardly. There was definitely a focused attempt to expand the meaning of these words that seemed to die down in the late 90's and early 00's. There was then a pushback against Political Correctness for a little while, but the PC wave of the 2012/2013's onward make the 90's PC craze look cute and small in comparison.

Not that different. This originally aired in 1994:

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> dindu pulls gun on cop
> cop shoots dindu as he would any dangerous criminal threatening his life
> Obama on tv crying and talking about the cop's 'Internalized Racism'

Social media and internet had huge impact on the rise of these degenerates, during last decade, because "monkey see, monkey do, monkey creates internet community" so they started sharing their beliefs and communicating on forums or over social media. Back in 90s, only type of communication or media was telephone and TV, so it was more one-way. Now, everyone is connected and news & informations are shared faster than ever.

Plus, add some good old propaganda (be it politics or money) into mix and BOOM, those "trends" exploded in last few years.

Wow, this is spot fucking on. Absolutely nothing has changed. I wish mainstream comedy was like this, the alt-right are the only ones making fun of these people now.

(((producers))))

So basically they were basically dormant and limited only to liberal student culture, but Obama playing them up let them loose on the greater population?

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Alanis Morissette was a wonderful human being and a great artist/ song writer.

Occasionally irritating but easy enough to ignore

No. 90's level racism, sexism, and homophobia would be considered hate crimes today.

Kurt Cobain was a very dishonest man who cared more about drugs and his image than he did his wife or kids or being a decent role model for millions of impressionable people.
Very sad.

I remember there being lots of controversy but I was too young to get the full scope of the reaction to this. What was the average person's thoughts on it when it happened?

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I only know her big hits but I can pretty much agree with that. She was angsty as fuck but in a "fuck people who mistreat me" kind of way and not in a "i bathe in male tears" kind of way. Either way though, she was definitely a prominent self-proclaimed feminist.

Speaking of shitty mainstream pop, was the 90s the beginning of Disney and Nickelodeon grooming child actors into becoming postergirls for being degenerate sluts, or had that always been happening?

veganism and activism against animal abuse was also huge. the left was against eu corporatism and globalism they had been left to wander aimlessly after the fall of the soviet union.

that changed after the eu meeting in gothenburg 2001 when the left rioted against globalism causing police to arrest many and even shooting at violent protestors. after this event the globalists created institutions that took control of the leftist zombies and made them work towards globalism instead of against it.

More about these institutions?

They were all into the environment. Save the trees this. Can't hug with nuclear arms that. It was all about listening to Phish, doing drugs, going to concerts, wearing DaKine and anything made from hemp. And if there was any time left after all that shit, fake interest in some bullshit hippy dipshit cause.

White guilt was present but people just gave it lip service back then. "Oh you think Native Americans got screwed and slavery was wrong? Yah me too bruh" type shit. The type of comments that would make you seem compassionate, but not require you to actually do anything. You really got the sense that deep down these people knew they were full of shit and just wanted a cover to do drugs and listen to jam bands all day.

Today people are just full retard. White guilt has gone off the fucking charts. I don't know what to say.

Benign. Everyone already knew it was closet lesbians.

Would you say back then it was more "fuck the system" and less "fuck the white race"?

Amen. Nyc club scene veteran here. Im guessing you are in your mid 30s.

Gentrification took the soul away from nyc big time. I know of what you speak. I woukd take back zoo york in a heart beat.

No that was definitely a 90s thing. Disney was actually floundering in the 70s, until Eisner took over in the mid 80s. He really turned the company around, and Disney had something of a renaissance that really started to hit its stride in the 90s. They found a LOT of success convincing young girls that being a carefree princess was the thing they should be doing with their lives. It's funny because even today I can go up to nearly every one of my early 30's female friends and ask them which princess they wanted to be when they were little. You'll never get a "what are you talking about?" - every single one of them will rattle off a Disney princess like a good little robot. It's fucking eerie.

Are you suggesting the Disney princess phenomenon/Disney reniassance was a part of that? I was thinking more of the Disney Channel original series and what happened to former Disney child actors like Brtiney Spears later in life (and of course now Miley Cyrus being the prime example).

because they werent tryng to be men, they were lead female charachters with female minds and problems

the eu erasmus program and ngos created by globalist billionaries like george soros took control of the leftist youth movement that used to be autonomous after the fall of the soviet union. in sweden they never revealed who was working as agents for the soviet union because the globalists use the exact same people and tactics to break down independant nation states

The princesses were the beginning of it. Disney realized that a step better than cartoon princesses were creating real ones, which is essentially what the child actors were meant to be. But Disney never would have been in a position to launch a large scale TV operation without the financial successes of the late 80s and early 90s. It's all connected.

Interesting. How do you reconcile the messages of Disney movies back then mostly being about the princesses falling in love with their prince and forming monogamous relationships with the general promiscuity promoted later by Spears and Cyrus? Those seem like conflicting messages to me.

this is true ask anyone 37 or younger what disney princess they would be and they all have an answer. the mexicans embraced pocahontas the asians had mulan. wow their must be some psychological warfare crap going on. today we have the new ones they actually have a few latina ones i think

Certainly in the BLM regard

pretty despicable attempt to stoke fear and division

i think the whole princess thing made them think me me me, at witch point they have already been brainwashed. then comes adulthood. also it has been promoted in movies a lot that being single and a whore is the life to lead. sex and the city was a huge push for being single having a great career and fucking hoewever you want while muh girlfriends support me

The "all men are pedo rapists" scare of the late 80s merged with the "we are one dude" attitude of the 90s to create anti-white-male militants in the 2000s.

I think it was a cultural shift en masse, not just within Disney. Unabashed promiscuity was something that appeared simultaneously in all sorts of media during the 90s. From music to TV and movies (this was the era of 90210, Madonna, Scream, etc) this was just one of the hallmarks of new wave entertainment. Disney simply rode that wave with what it was already doing, and that happened to be child actors behaving like miniature princesses in order to drive sales through the roof.

the whore thing was pushed to becoming the norm. know you ask anygirl in their 20s and they cant even tell you how many guys they have slept with

guys know have to fufill this impossible dream women have of being their prince. this is going to lead to the largest generation of single women in their 30s 40s

>dishonest
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>Cared more about his image
his image of jeas and a sweater or t shirt? his image of playing music?

>being a decent role model
like to be passionate follow your dreams and dont step on anyone in order to get there
Using drugs is not immoral(especially when you can afford them) and a by factor of depression which is an illness

fuck off m8

>lilith fair
>lilith
it's not even subtle.

women were always happier at home with the kids but the reoson it didint work out in the 50 was because all the men were traumatized ww2 vets also many men did not treat their wives right because they were drunk asswholes

>i think the whole princess thing made them think me me me
This is an important point. Feminism collided with the individualistic narcissism of the time, and so instead of asking "what can feminism do for or integrate with society" it began asking itself "what can society give to me?" because we'd raised a generation of literal princesses.

Kat Bjelland was pretty cool.

only qt lesbians probably

ask any millenial girl what disney princess they want to be do it

Interesting. I always took it for granted that little girls wanted to be princesses, but you're saying that wasn't the case until Disney popularized it?

does this also explain the pussification of men

The same but they were less fat

You can find works criticizing concepts like "safe spaces" going back to the 1980s, absolutely none of the crazy bullshit currently being pushed is new- they're just stupid ideas that failed before that stupid people pushed on a new generation of stupid people in the hopes that their stupid ideas might succeed this time

Gas the marxists, idea war now

yes before this women wanted to be good wives this was the fantasy thus the playing with dolls

Kinda understandable for the time desu. The whole "protect the children from the gay agenda" thing and other forms of general Christcuckery kinda reached their peak in the early 90s.

after the 90s it became less you need to find a man and more i need a great career to live a sex in the city lifestyle

good find

Lilith fair

He wasn't trying to be a fucking role model. Heck, the whole reason he hated being famous was because he didn't want a bunch a kids looking up to some loser drug addict as a role model.

wow after the 80s jews manipulated media to destroy the family unit for good by making women femenist who thought that being independant was the solution to their happiness

Oh I already have. My ex wanted to be Belle. My buddy's wife wanted to be Cinderella. A cousin of mine wanted to be Ariel. They pretty much all had a princess or two picked out as their own avatar. I can only think of one woman I know in that age group who DIDN'T want to be a Disney princess, and that's because she was a country bumpkin who grew up riding horses and living in the middle of nowhere. And before you ask, she's still crazy, just a different crazy than the rest.

Lesbians love Xena.

many such cases!

i think blm was a typically failed attempt by the clinton campaign to organize & motivate blacks to vote for clinton

90s girls were GOAT

it's post 9/11 where the whole thing really went into overdrive

>they were less fat

you're wrong.
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The problem is that the cultural Marxists won. Our institutions and traditions haven't been completely destroyed yet in the minds of the older generations, but the Millenials/Gen Z are increasingly growing up without any sense or connection to them. The "gen Z is conservative meme" is bullshit, most haven't aged enough to form worldviews yet and the social pressure to adopt a leftist one is greater than before.

So would you say that the princess phenomenon turned the dynamic from little girls wanted to grow up to please their families to wanting men to please them?

they also all love shows like freinds or sex in the city or will and grace or seinfeld that promote the single girl lifestyle of me me me me me

no from wanting to please their families to pleasing their selfish interest that may or may not involve men

I come from the Bernstein universe. In my universe there were no SJWs and feminism wasn't big. If someone talked about feminism it was usually about those ladies in the 1910s and 1920s that wanted female suffrage. It didn't exist as a label or mindset like it does in this timeline. People were normal in that timeline.

They were tolerable, and some were even attractive. Dunno where it all went wrong desu...

Didn't all the 90s princesses end up with a love interest though? I thought the whole lesbianic "fuck men" thing started with Frozen?

I'm skeptical of the Mandela effect but I also remember it as Berenstein and I remember all this media during my childhood.

Did the cultural/sexual revolution never happen in the 60s in your timeline? Was atheism ever prevalent there?