Explain This Global Warming Deniers

I agree with Sup Forums that a lot of the methods people used in determining climate change are suspect, but the fact remains that the earth has heated up 1.7 degrees F, 2 thirds of which was after 1975. If increased CO2 from industrialization isn't the cause, what is?

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The sun you lemming. If you cant redpill yourself on global warming without the help of a fucking anime message board you should kill yourself

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Shit happens.

Maybe it's the same reason that the 19th century was colder, this shit fluctuates

Sunspot cycles from the sun influencing our enviroment

The Earth's been around a long time its always gonna get warmer and colder

the fact remains that the big bang happened which was prior to 1975. If increased Jesus isn't the cause, what is?

Do you even scientific method bro?

That is a fallacy. You have 1 cause from a million variable phenomenon. We do not understand the other variables or how and why the climate changes.

Something should be done about this:
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huge spike during WW1

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Global warming is happening, folks. What can be argued is if it's really that harmful as the media portrays it to be. But saying there is no warming is retarded.

>tfw I'm too intelligent to deny the overwhelming evidence for global warming

>Why does the temperature change

I dunno user, maybe satan does it

actually, the latest data from Nasa shows this
see pic

how do you know it is happening? have you personally observed and recorded the warming or are you just repeating what you have heard? do you have any experience measuring temperatures? are you aware of the various problems associated with measuring temperatures and how much error can introduced by those problems?

Explain the Y axis. Why not just use the Temperature data?

KYS you cocksucking globalist fucking filth. If killing you and every single scumsucking faggot like you wouldn't save the world, then what would?

exactly, and why not use raw data instead of adjusted data?

It's happening because the average surface temperature of the Earth is increasing. You can measure it by satellite or by observing the trend in meterological stations.

Has it had some impact? Probably yes. Is the world going to end because of it? No. Is it being taken advantage of to create an entirely new tax, one that guilt trips people into paying it? Yes.

do you know how satellites measure temp? I don't think you do, because they don't measure surface temp for one thing, they don't even measure atmospheric temp directly. do you know how the data of earth and sea stations is collected and adjusted before being published? I don't think you do, because if you did you would be just as doubtful as I am.

We're coming out of an ice age. Of course its warming. It's not caused by humans.

Sources?

Just to creep you all out, notice that the dawn of the first human civilization occurred right after the temperature leveled off after the last ice age (about 8000 years ago).

This leveling off of temperature is actually very unusual by historical standards. Thus the birth and dawn of modern civilization has been facilitated by this relatively comfortable climate situation.

But imagine what things would be like if the temperatures were swinging as rapidly as they were during the younger dryas period? What a cataclysm this would be for the world. Would our civilization survive?

Well, I've worked in a meteological station before(mostly internship, but still) and I do know how they measure satellite temperature (and also the frequency used to do so). But to be honest this is irrelevant to the matter. Because even if I didn't know, there are tons of evidence that the planet is warming (like rising sea levels, rising sea temperature and sea heat content, the melting of the Arctic, and so on).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas

Sea levels have been rising for hundreds of years user

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But not very much

You know what carbon also does? Fertilizes plant life
Did you know greenhouses artificially bump up CO2 levels to four times atmospheric levels? Plants absolutely love it, they grow 5 times faster

More plant life means more animal life. If we were able to double the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere, we could potentially double global food production. And enrich ecosystems worldwide

Nice trips. Was looking for sources on those images in particular. On mobile so maybe they just don't show up?

the excess of carbon is absorbed by the oceans
and even the volcanoes produce much more carbon than humans

Just go to Climatedepot dot cum, and you will be redpilled

>More plant life means more animal life.

not if they're running out of surface area to occupy and we're polluting the shit out of it anyway.
we're not acting like the sky is falling because it's cute or fun...

devil is a lie bih

>the excess of carbon is absorbed by the oceans

Thanks for reminding me of that other terrifying prospect

I hope you never wanted to scuba dive in a reef before you died

>climate change being man made
>climate changing several times over thousands of

guess which one is the truth! (just one)

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the climate has changed many times over, but trends like warm periods and ice ages changed over millions of years you dense fuck

Global warming is the only topic I agree 100% with the liberal media.

t. Someone living 1m above sea level.

>not if they're running out of surface area to occupy
What are you talking about? The vast majority of the globe is empty wilderness.

You probably live in a city, so you think everywhere looks like that. Just isn't true. Besides, the majority of CO2 is processed in the ocean. Scientists don't even know for sure, but they estimate between 50% to 80% of the Carbon cycle occurs underwater

Anyway, I'll bet you didn't know the US has more forested land today than it did 100 years ago. That's called good land management.

Temp measurements are the most relevant part of this whole debate. All the phenomena you are citing are due to temp rise, and if temp rise can't be accurately measured, which it can't, the whole thing falls apart. Keep in mind that th e base claim being made is that avg temp has risen by a tiny ,8 degrees since 1880. The part of the atmosphere that is supposedly affected by this ,8 rise has a volume of 7,7 billion cubic km, at most there are 7000 reporting stations. If these stations were equally spaced around the globe, which they are not, they are clustered in North America and Western Europe, that would give one station for every 1,100,000 cubic km. That is an absurdly small sample size to make the claim that it can detect a .8 degree increase over 137 years.

Add to that the facts that the raw data collected is "adjusted". data for grids with no stations (most of the earth's surface) is simply made up and there is substantial reason to doubt the fundamental claim being made.

The sea temps you reference have only been measure by the present methods for a few short years, far far too short a period to indicate a long term trend. There has been no observed rising sea levels as well, and the predicted rises of the first, second, third, and fourth IPCC models did not occur at all. In short, bullshit. There are liars, damned liars, and statistics.

Core sampling suggests that Atmospheric CO2 has been steady at 300ppm. Sampling data from the Mauna Loa obs. has it rising from the 70s to 400ppm. So the past 30 years (modernity) are responsible for 25 percent of current concentrations.


But if you believe that the earth has had a steady concentration, then this variable would have a hideously small standard deviation, meaning a 33% increase would be many hundreds of deviations away, which would have to be represented in a similar scaled effect in the dependent variable. This hasn't begun to happen.

as I said the amount of carbon we produce are irrelevant
stop this globalist induced paranoia already man

climatedepot is a shill site, not credible at all.

then why have frozen mammoths been found with grass still in their mouths and stomachs, you dense fuck?

Pretending for a moment that Global warming is completely false and a gigantic conspiracy to make money or whatever, what's the end game?

A future where we have a cleaner environment and don't have to cut down forests to access minerals for energy production, rather relying on renewable energy sources that are getting more efficient by the day? I could certainly think of worse futures.

free market will get us there anyway

>Data sample of 120 years

Unless the earth is only 500 years old you can't prove trends with any level of confidence.
This is why statistics needs to be mandatory in all levels of academics.

the end game is global resource control, a global scheme of socialism. it is possible to have a clean environment without a global government. a future in which you are told what you can do, what you can wear, what you can eat, and how comfortable you can be. cutting carbon emission means cutting production of all the things that has given us a high standard of living. be a dumbfuck if you want and fantasize about living in a mudhut with roots and berries to eat (when the local commissariat decides it's your turn to eat)

Data sets are fiddled: youtube.com/watch?v=Gh-DNNIUjKU

>what's the endgame?
1. global carbon taxes, thus a new pass for a global government
2. impeding poor countries to develop themselves

I think the whole climate change thing is silly. I don't care if it's real. Let's say it's real for a second. What the fuck are you going to do about it? No matter how many solar panels and windmills you install, we're fucked.

>Implying the free market achieves anything other than exploitation

Let's pretend for a moment Communism is completely misguided and a gigantic Jewish conspiracy: what's the end game?

What's really so bad about a post-scarcity future free of class and state where everybody has enough to go around? Why can't we all ju-woops just killed 50 million people

Yes climate change. Humans are small fry. Heat expands civilization. Pic related.

it achieves growth of wealth, so its something

here we go with the marxist shilling. having a place to sell your produce, a place to buy the things you need, a job to allow you to participate in the market...all this is exploitation of the worst kind, isn't it?

The large scale rollout of windmills and solar panels is an utter scam. The technology is premature at best

The working theory is that by pushing it out prematurely, it will incentivize investment and technological development. In reality it's simply a cash grab by shady politically connected green corporations

Alternative energy is improving rapidly, but we're still decades away from an implementing it effectively on an industrial scale

>Temp measurements are the most relevant part of this whole debate. All the phenomena you are citing are due to temp rise, and if temp rise can't be accurately measured, which it can't, the whole thing falls apart.

Actually, it's exactly the opposite, phenomena like glacier melt support the temperature measurements. You can't just throw relevant data out of the window when they don't support your argument.

>There has been no observed rising sea levels as well, and the predicted rises of the first, second, third, and fourth IPCC models did not occur at all.

Wrong, the IPCC has underestimated sea lever rise.

Explain this, cuck.

KILL YOURSELVES!!!

SOON THE KOCH AND OIL OVERLORDS WILL TAKE OVER THIS NATION, AND YOU'LL ALL BE FORCED TO WORK IN MINES AND OIL FIELD TO EXTRACT ALL OF THE RESOURCE TO FEED THE CAPITALIST MACHINE. YOUR LIVES DOESN'T MATTER, NOT ONE FUCKING BIT!!!!!!

Post scarcity isn't a reasonably achievable goal, not at present. However renewables have been shown to be increasingly efficient at meeting energy demands, your comparison is awful

Who said anything about a global government, I sure didn't, also the fact that there are many coal mining coporations lobbying against renewable energy is really evidence that the free market won't resolve this on its own.

Just because I think the free market is the stuff of memes doesn't mean I think communism is an amazing ideology.

Wealth growth for the wealthy

If increased CO2 from industrialization isn't the cause, what is?


See how that works?

its all speculative bullshit not proof

We've increased total CO2 in the atmosphere by 40%. CO2 acts as an IR insulation blanket and now a massive energy imbalance has occurred. Not everyone on here is retarded.

Not an argument

The IPCC is a political organization, not a scientific organization. Any claims it makes are based on political agenda, not good science.

Local warming of some areas in no way indicates global warming. In the sixties and seventies there was grave concern over the growing ice caps and glaciers. This is more bullshit being used to explain why the temp isn't rising, and why it isn't rising at the rate the IPCC panels predicted. Now they say, oh, don't look at the temps, you can't go by that...when the whole scam is based on rising temps. Keep shilling.

Easy one. Answered with two questions. 1) what caused the ice age? 2) how the fuck did it melt? Go pratice your global warming religion else where

You know why Canda has so many lakes?

During the Ice ages, the entire continent was crushed under a literal mile of ice. It flattened the land and settled in massive pools when it melted. In fact the reason the American midwest is so flat is because sliding glaciers carved away all the landforms.

When the ice finally melted, America was inhabitable once again. The Great Lakes are a legacy of this colossal climatological event. The Mississippi River is the major waterway carrying water from the northern melt into the ocean.

See pic related? This is a Mountain in California called "half dome", named this way because a massive sliding glacier shaved away one of it's faces. Look how tall the mountain is, the glacier was even taller than that.

When human beings were first branching out across the world, there was so much ice in these glaciers that global sea levels were low enough for people to cross over a land bridge from Asia to Alaska. People think warm temperatures are a catastrophe, just imagine what the Earth will be like the next time we have an Ice Age (we get them at irregular intervals)

>Wealth growth for the wealthy
Nope, just look how many people worldwide got out of poverty in the past 100 years

It is the IPCC members who are regularly promoting a global taxing authority, the same people who have been sponsoring this whole global warming agenda.

If you don't support a free market you are at best a socialist. There is no in between. You obviously favor a system in which some authority controls you.

>The IPCC is a political organization, not a scientific organization. Any claims it makes are based on political agenda, not good science.

Less poisoning the well, more answering my point about sea level rise.

>Local warming of some areas in no way indicates global warming

Glaciers are receding almost everywhere.

>This is more bullshit being used to explain why the temp isn't rising, and why it isn't rising at the rate the IPCC panels predicted. Now they say, oh, don't look at the temps, you can't go by that...when the whole scam is based on rising temps.

Wait a minute, I though the temperature measurements are all fraudulent, so why wouldn't "they" want people to look at them?

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A free market doesn't have CEOs.

Your sea level rise chart is pure bullshit. I have worked at sea since the seventies and sea levels are the same as they always were. You can pawn that bullshit off on people who don't know, but you can't pawn it off on me. The very idea of being able to detect an 8 cm rise in sea levels is beyond retarded. The sea level is 400 feet above where it was 8000 years ago...the carbon concentration must have been extreme during that period, mustn't it?

And just how do you arrive at that brilliant conclusion? A ceo is nothing other than a person who makes final executive decisions...even mom and pop sandwich shops have such a person.

>I have worked at sea since the seventies and sea levels are the same as they always were.

>The very idea of being able to detect an 8 cm rise in sea levels is beyond retarded.

If you believe that we cannot detect sea level rise, how can you say that it hasn't occurred?

wtf user you need to give all your shekels to the jews so they can fix it!

> If increased CO2 from industrialization isn't the cause, what is?

Who Fucking Cares?
It's easier to run a dictatorship that focused on exploitation on all available resources than dealing with this environmental bullshit.

This thread is about global warming, but to put in my 2 cents

Individualism is fucking retarded. Human beings are connected to their environment, their fellows, their race, their history, their traditions....etc. Just as a tree is connected to the soil in which it grows.

The fundamental unit of humanity is not the individual, it is the tribe. Unlike an individual, a tribe can live forever. A tribe can grow and expand infinitely. And most importantly: a tribe can fight back against the overwhelming might of other tribes.

It was hotter during roman times.

Give everything you have to the Jews.

All these temp graphs are subject to manipulation. They're all over the place

Difficult to trust any of them. I prefer to use arguments based on common sense and logic

As you can see from this chart, global temperatures are going up and staying up.

counter this deniers.

Pro tip: you can't

The graph you posted cannot be used to compare recent and past warming.

>Wait a minute, I though the temperature measurements are all fraudulent, so why wouldn't "they" want people to look at them?

"They" don't publish the raw data. If anyone seriously investigates the collection of temperature date they will arrive at the same conclusion I have, that it is full of opportunity for inaccuracy. Most people will never look though, because even if they do it is presented in such a convoluted manner it takes weeks to understand and make sense of.

>“I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI [Freedom of Information] Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the process,”writes Phil Jones, a scientist working with the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), in a newly released email.

“Any work we have done in the past is done on the back of the research grants we get – and has to be well hidden,” Jones writes in another newly released email. “I’ve discussed this with the main funder (U.S. Dept of Energy) in the past and they are happy about not releasing the original station data.”

Same thing, what do you think control of the remaining fossil fuels through an enviro meme is all about? Energy is life in the oil age. Carbon tax on carbon based lifeforms is a life tax. It's absolutely disgusting really and look into it and you find to no surprise some of the most disgusting people to walk the face of earth today.

If earth is warming it might have something to do with run off from the last ice age which in geological time, was just the blink of an eye ago.

>believing humans have greater impact on the temperature of the earth than the activity of the big yellow thing in the sky.

Raising taxes will surely fix all of our problems somehow right.

The planet Mars is experiencing global warming, explain that first!

As an American, you probably have no idea what it would be like to live in a properly functioning ethno-state

youtube.com/watch?v=B-m9A8mY-U0

See here? This is what was stolen from us. All your life you've lived with an empty hole in your chest. Feeling slightly out of place, like a distant memory, or the haunting feeling of a missing limb. Our civilization, the way it was meant to be

not only that, but once we have enough taxes then there will finally be enough money to fix global warming

>1890-2010

Quick, zoom in more!

You realize the climate's been around for billions of years, right?

The instruments don't lie

>youtube.com/watch?v=B-m9A8mY-U0
Looks pretty comfy, unlike why my ancestors had to escape to the US due to Communist Jews.

>"They" don't publish the raw data.

Actually, they do. I find it hard to believe that you have seriously investigated anything.

>Well, I've worked in a meteological station before(mostly internship, but still) and I do know how they measure satellite temperature (and also the frequency used to do so). But to be honest this is irrelevant to the matter. Because even if I didn't know, there are tons of evidence that the planet is warming (like rising sea levels, rising sea temperature and sea heat content, the melting of the Arctic, and so on).

I have experience taking direct physical measurements too. The data set is 50 years old. Snow is disappearing in the mountains.

Denier faggots always forget about carbonic acid rising in the ocean, too.