>And, the researchers said, the rise of cesarean sections — the surgical delivery of a baby — in recent decades may be contributing to an even bigger gap between the size of newborns and their mothers’ pelvises. In fact, the researchers estimate that the regular use of C-sections has led to a 10 to 20 percent increase in the gap between female pelvis width and babies’ size.
>But, the human female pelvis has remained small, despite evolution, the researchers said.
>“The dimensions of the infant head and shoulders are very close to and even exceed the dimensions of the mother’s birth canal in humans,” said Wenda Trevathan. She’s a professor emeritus of anthropology at New Mexico State University.
>“Labor contractions are probably painful for most mammals,” Trevathan said. “But, I think it’s safe to say that the long labor required to birth a human baby is more painful and difficult than the apparently shorter labors of other mammals, including apes.”
>In the new study, Mitteroecker and his colleagues created a mathematical model that they believe shows that evolution favored bigger babies because it helped the species survive. “Medical data show that larger newborns have higher survival rates and are less affected by several diseases,” he said.
>The authors of the new study estimate that the growth in cesarean sections over the last 60 years has actually affected evolution by making the gap between pelvic size and newborn size even larger.
>The study appears Dec. 5 in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
So natural birth are getting harder every generation and women have not evolved the child bearing hips needed to compensate.
Why did I think this was a baby taking a radical kayak ride?
Wyatt Powell
Thats ok, soon we will be using artificial wombs anyway.
Lucas Clark
Were you born naturally or by C-section Sup Forums?
Well it's a pretty radical ride of some sorts or so I've heard..
Gavin Lopez
>eventually a woman will no longer be able to give birth naturally >something bad happens >humanity dies out because women can't give birth anymore
fugg
Evan Hill
We need to grow humans in vats. That way the skull can be huge and the brain can be adequately developed before they're born.
Ethan Russell
So you're telling me it takes 60 years for something to change, evolutionary speaking yeh sure
Asher Rogers
>>Why is it so difficult and painful for human females to give birth? God cursed women with birth pains.
Tyler Green
>not drilling the birth canal to squeeze out your large baby during conception This is why Tyrone is more popular with sluts.
Leo Myers
From the article: >According to the U.S. National Library of Medicine, cesarean surgeries have been around for hundreds of years, but in earlier times they were typically performed on dead or dying mothers in order to save the baby.
Leo Gutierrez
>that image
Jack Walker
Your an idiot We have science
Wyatt Garcia
>tfw to intelligent for natural birth
Hunter Bennett
AWAKEN, MY MASTERS
Samuel Russell
Thank you, McDuff
Hunter Campbell
>Obstetrical dilemma
Noah Foster
Not after the dark age of technology we won't, heathen.
Brandon Campbell
OR, get this, women are gaining more weight during pregnancy, there are more obese people than ever before to begin with, and they're making their babies fatter in the womb.
It has nothing to do with evolution. Its fucking obesity.
Cameron Carter
Holy shit this is retarded
Evolution takes hundreds of thousands of years
Tyler Bailey
>it's an "entire media falls for meme broscience article" episode
Brayden Allen
>Men like to fuck small-waisted petite qts, petite qt genes get spread >Big babies are heathier, survive infancy and spread their genes more >Small framed qts forced to push out monster babies in hours of agonising childbirth
Women cucked by evolution yet again kek!
Jeremiah Brooks
>civilization collapses >humans are unable to reproduce because we require technology just to breed
That kind of thinking is short sighted and dangerous. If humans become too dependent on technology then we will be extremely fragile if there is a large-scale survival situation. We should not let ourselves become a species branded for extinction and only sustained by technology.
Eli Ross
DAILY REMINDER THAT DOCTORS AT THE HOSPITAL WILL SEND YOUR WIFE OFF FOR A C SECTION JUST BECAUSE IT'S FASTER AND EASIER AND THAT YOU ARE KEKED AND DEGENERATE IF YOU GO TO A HOSPITAL TO DELIVER A CHILD, YOU CAN JUST DO IT IN THE TUB
Jaxson Perry
>with birth so painful because modern women are parred spolied brats who never had to do a hard days work in her life. It used to be while men were slaving in the non-mech factory or farm, women were scrubbing the pans, washing clothes with a by hand with a wash board, cooking meals from hand, beating the dust out of rugs with wire rods, scurbing the floor on her knees. now all that has been replaced by machines like vacumms, and dishwashers, cloth washers, etc. the myth that men worked while women didn't is a myth, only the very upper class women didn't work.
We've removed a selection pressure in much the same way as the siberian fox experiment applied one. We're letting babies survive that otherwise would have never been born.
Joshua Rogers
In ye olden times a c-section killed the mother but gave the baby a chance to live But the alternative in a diffifcult birth was that both the mother and baby would die
Remember no anti-biotics at a minimum means that the wound from cutting her open is getting infected. Even if they survived blood loss and sowing all the organs back together (which wasn't going to happen) they'd die of sepsis.
Leo Reyes
Okay, so this is what I'm getting...
Babies are getting bigger, but women pelvises remain the same size?
What's the big deal if the larger babies have higher survival rates? More cesareans?
Hunter Richardson
You fail to consider the huge number of humans on this planet. Humans will be fine.
Mason Campbell
I guarantee we will be sustained mostly if not only by technology within the next 30-40 years, automation is the future and it's going to be a scary future.
Gabriel Ward
So humans will eventually become a race of big guys?
Isaac King
complications can happen and both of them can end up dead.
William Reed
Probably this. Gestational diabetes causes monster babies. Causes insulin levels to surge (because of insulin resistance), that acts as a strong anabolic hormone on the growing baby. Fat women get gestational diabetes.
Anthony Robinson
It's changing because women have more variety of men to choose from and invariably prefer to get preggers by bigger guys.
Dominic Ross
C-section, my mother barely made it. You do realize that c-section by itself doesn't affect evolution at all? The problem is that the baby survives. Which kinda what you want when you are a father/mother. So unless you are willing to sacrifice your wife and child because muh evolution, please stop posting.
Isaiah Barnes
Thought that was a baby in a kayak in a helicopter spot light.
William Scott
Me, my sister and my brother were all born naturally.
Grayson Baker
Humans won't evolve anymore. We've constructed a society that prevents natural selection.
Besides, the next evolution of humanity will be cybernetic or totally robotic in nature rather than organic. As a species we don't have many centuries left.
Dylan Hughes
I have a 2 week old, our first one, and I gotta say I have a whole new respect for women after being in the room for the birth.
Eventually my old lady caved and got the epidural and it was pretty smooth sailing from that point, but the pain women go through is no joke.
The worst part about the whole thing was these creepy fucken doctors that kept coming in to check how dilated she was. Basically sitting there watching your woman get fingered is so fucked up...I guess I know how cucks feel lel
Aiden Russell
yeah this is bullshit, how can this shtit be real when most generations don't even have a tradition of c section? just because my mom got a c section doesn't mean my friend's vagina who isn't related to me will be small. we've literally been doing and perfecting this stuff for the past 60 years or less. get off with this pseudoscience shit.
this reminds me of that article saying that women absorbed the dna of every guy that cum inside of them and then pass it on to their children
Why are C-Sections named after Julius Caesars son with Cleopatra?
Adrian Richardson
did you know every gray hound dog is born with c-sections? so if humans die out, so do gray-hounds [breeders are scum that ruin every breed]. I don't care about humans, I only care about western civilization, and we would be the ones fucking ourselves, of course the other 6billion+ on the planet would be fine.
Dylan Adams
>human will be fine Who cares about 'humans'?
White people, the most valuable genetic stock on earth, are fucked if we use technology as a reproductive crutch, and some sort of cataclysm happens.
We need to ensure that superior white genetics can outlive our ephemeral civilization. This idea of dependence on 'artificial wombs' is incredibly selfish and short sighted thinking.
Nolan Morgan
>born by c-section >born Only natural birth people are born. C-section people are removed.
Only natural birth people have BIRTHdays. C-section people have REMOVALdays.
Cant wait for my next BIRTHday, i get as many blowjobs as i want.
Wyatt Sanders
>not lnowing bactioria passed from mother to child effects survival rates and bacteria get cucked in c-sections, which many researchers believe adds to the increase in things like allergies
Charles Walker
I agree
Connor Allen
>Were you born naturally or by C-section Sup Forums? yes. because I didn't want to get out, they forced me into this fucking world.
Jayden Green
C-Section, my mother was in her late 30's when she had me.
"I just wanted to wait until we were financially stable and had paid off all our student loan debt"
I'm having kids before 25 once I find the right woman.
Michael Gutierrez
They aren't, they're named after Caesar himself because he was born with one.
Bentley Moore
>humans wont evolve anymore
you are retarded
we have both
1. removed selective pressure for intelligence and self-preservation
2. removed selective pressure limiting head and brain size at birth
it will be a strange future
Ayden Gonzalez
I'm going to force this genius meme from now on
Adrian Stewart
that's how I was born. pic related is me as 5yo
Anthony Long
under rated
Lincoln Moore
Also, c-section people are parasites that would have died in the womb/killed the mother. Ban c-sections, remove these parasites from out midst.
Liam Parker
THE LEGEND NEVER DIES
Angel Hughes
I was like 4kg giga baby "The Destroyer of Pussies" so c-section was the only way
Jackson Johnson
No, humans as a species have a ridiculously dangerous reproductive system compared to others, and always have. It's a combination of a structurally slapdash transference from quadruped to bipedal, and human babies needing gigantic heads in relation to the female birth canal.
It is actually a mystery to anthropologists why humans evolved such relatively giant brains in the first place, given all the hazards involved.
Alexander Torres
High blood sugar also leads to bugger babies.
Jose Cook
Calling bullshit on this one
How the fuck does getting a c-section effect the child's genetics? Even if it did , how long has c-section been around as an official medical practice ?
Joseph Campbell
The truth must be exposed.
Connor Murphy
Aliens.
Ian Cook
It's not that far fetched. The Belgian Blue (pic related) has been around for only 200 years and it's nearly impossible for it to give birth without a C-section.
Ryder Wood
The original genetic mutation giving us that must have been one HELL of an advantage.
Also, the actual reason C-sections are becoming more common is because women are waiting until their 30's to have kids. 16-year-olds who get pregnant by Chad usually don't have much of a problem pushing it out.
Joseph Davis
C-section here.
I tried on my grandfathers old fedora and it didn't fit, it just rested on top of my head. It fits on my dad and on my mom, so my head must be HUGE. It's not natural.
Charles Edwards
>evolved such relatively giant brains in the first place, given all the hazards involved. Ayy lamo intervention/fuckery?
Samuel Wilson
Bigger, we arent fighting Enders Game
Camden Hernandez
The bible talks about fisting and today it's looked at as something disgusting and perverted. I think it's time we start giving our ladies the 5 finger fucking again to get the baby's flowing.
Jace Wilson
Fuck, user. I came here to shitpost and laugh, not feel..
Benjamin Phillips
Evolution takes a really long time yes, what we are looking at are biological adaptations that pass over generations because C section babies are still fertile. TLDR races that have had access to such medicinal practices for long times like white people will probably grow larger over time. Whites are per capita average nearly at african tier size
Charles Fisher
Yeah, but that's through EXTREMELY selective breeding guided by us.
Poodles didn't exist a few hundred years ago either. Human selection of traits can speed up evolutionary processes much more quickly than natural selection.
Ian Perez
Cooked meat and agriculture in general
Sebastian Smith
That's about how long we've had mega supermarkets for.
It's probably the food that's doing it, not the use of C-sections specifically.
Aiden Bailey
4u
Cameron Bennett
Second. Im going to push this meme at work.
Lucas Perez
Fake News!!
Camden Moore
Live, at home, in this very room
Cameron Parker
>The bible talks about fisting Sauce ?
Kayden Wilson
I imagine interstellar colonization will kick human evolution into high gear. As it stands there are less evolved homo sapiens still walking around that still need to catch up with thousands of years of evolution
Brayden Anderson
This isnt evolution. Its artificial selection.
Nathan Morris
God. Humans are not animals, and any augument that doesn't inculde the touch of the divine and soul into account will be flawed. Same with psychology, you will never understand yourself with a purely naturalisim augument.
Kayden Garcia
This model uses a LOT of assumptions. Labor is dynamic and complex and trying to reduce fetal dimensions to a single value (as done in the paper) is not really appropriate and fails to account for an enormous number of other variables. The authors are clear that they're not sure if the change is in babies or mothers or both. This is totally theoretical and not really based on any gathered delivery data and as previously mentioned it's a prediction on what might happen. Having said all that it's a reasonable premise and attempting to prove it using actual gathered data would be incredibly difficult to the point of being essentially impossible at present. My own opinion: it's reasonable to consider that increasing the section rate will alter human physiology but I don't think this paper definitively proves anything.
Lucas Parker
Do you work prenatal?
Isaiah Butler
Song of Solomon 5:2-4 It is the voice of my beloved! He knocks, saying, "Open for me, my sister, my love, My dove, my perfect one”…My love thrust his hand through the opening, and my feelings were stirred for him.
Jack Stewart
Technically we are in the kingdom animalia
Lincoln Martinez
>So natural birth are getting harder every generation and women have not evolved the child bearing hips
Stop impregnating skinny short boy body women you degenerates.
> buh buh buh thick is fat and fat people disgust me
Enjoy your genetics going straight down the tube. If your wife or girlfriend doesn't have hips almost as wide as her shoulders then you are wasting your time.
Easton Roberts
Oh lawdy.. this.. this sums up Sup Forums perfectly. Thank you.
Benjamin Rogers
C-sections, in some form or another, have been around for a long ass time, with references to the process dating back to Greek mythology: >nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/cesarean/part1.html Effects the child's genetics in the sense that women with hips too narrow to safely give birth can now give birth to children who will likely have narrow hips, and the cycle repeats. Or at least that's what the study suggests.
Elijah Clark
this is definitely a possibility the way things are going, were tampering with things that shouldn't be tampered with.
Dylan James
((Technically)) stay bluepilled forever, the soul is a part of you and you will have to sqaure with that one day
Aaron Edwards
why hasnet anyone shooped this baby into a wild river ridin a kayak yet
Easton Bennett
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Ethan James
Fucking Shlomo man
Joshua Lopez
In this day and age I thought wide hips were becoming more prevalent. That fucking sucks, I want my child-bearing hips gf.
Colton Wood
Anyone read Macbeth?
Those who are born via C section are NOT of woman born.
People like me can kill the king ig
Isaac Garcia
T H I C C is an evolutionary advantage
Hudson Campbell
Welll.. some women actually plan c-sections to avoid the pain of childbirth.
Carter Fisher
thats kind of what it is
Juan Sanchez
...
Jayden Davis
There's very little humans
Robert Thompson
>practically the entirety of human history >women push babies out of their cunts in the dirt and go on to do so multiple times >20/21st century >women give birth at a hospital surrounded by trained professionals and pumped full of painkillers to give birth in an alternative and unnatural way that literally harms the future and well-being of our entire species just for their own selfishness, personal gain, and vanity Women were a mistake.
