Why should prostitution be illegal?
>STDs
No different than a college slut whoring herself around and not knowing/not telling anyone about having any. Any grown person should know the potential consequences of having sex with someone. And always wrap it before you tap it, lads.
>Government can't tax it
So? I can sell my stuff on craigslist (for example) and nobody gets taxed there either. Same concept.
>Why should prostitution be illegal?
it shouldnt. we already pay women to fuck us anyway, but its the form of dinners and movie dates. at least with prostitution, you give the money upright and get to good part immediately, no time wasted
Rich elites literally buying your daughter's pussy. She's gotta pay for her schooling so she can be an independent high-earner amirite?
Lots of girls are already getting sugar daddies or work a bit as escorts to pay their studies.
That's not changing any time soon.
But legalizing ordinary prostitution would make it more like germany/australia/etc where it's easier to get and less risky for random guys. And should be less risky for the girls too.
in a society as morally bankrupt as ours theres no reason for it to be banned
Don't have a daughter, nor do I want one, but I'll play along.
If my daughter reached the age that she's able to make her own decisions, then her body is her own to do as she wants. Plus I doubt she'd actually tell me that she's a hooker.
well obviously it would be safer if it were legal, but the obvious reason it isn't is because homocide rates would go up from brothers and fathers murdering people that nailed their sisters/daughters. imagine how many legal brothels would have pissed off family members storming in with guns blazing, no one wants to see their female family members become a whore.
It shouldn't be. Legalization means taxation and regulation. More money for the government and more safety for the workers.
Does this actually happen? Even in places where it's legal?
Do prostitutes run home and immediately tell daddy the name of every single guy they porked?
no but if your daughter ran away and you found her working in a brothel and some greasy fuckball was the manager well....you can imagine at some point someone is gonna lose their shit.
>I want to sell my women to the elite. I might be able to buy some poon easily as well! Trickle-down pussynomics!
Wake up.
Fair enough point, but that's a pretty big "if". I doubt this scenario would actually come into play often enough to justify keeping it illegal though.
I don't think this will happen much. Doesn't seem to be an issue in countries where they legalized it.
Anyway it could be balanced out by reducing rapes and virgin mass shooter incidents.
The elite already get all the girls they want.
Ive never seen people shooting up porn film locations because their family members were selling their body so why should it be otherwise for prositution?
>I want to sell my women to the elite.
Or, you know, they can just GRAB THEM BY THE PUSSY already.
I see where you're both coming from and agree that statistically it wouldn't be much of an issue. but even 1 shooting spree is too much, if we have the power to avoid it.
The elite already more or less controls our women through horse shit like media and feminism. Really isn't much different, friend.
I haven't heard of that happening either but im sure it has if we wanted to look into it. I do watch porn but lately im starting to get turned off of it. yea I understand these women are adults and can make their own decisions, yea I understand they agree to do the things they do, and make good money for it, but it still just feels wrong. I think the age for porn should be upped to 25.
It's illegal for the same reason some governments are trying to outlaw porn.
They want you to fuck women and make babies, population issues. Most men only bother with women to get their dick wet, if it's easy to get your dick wet without dating hassle they will do that.
>They want you to fuck women and make babies, population issues.
The fuck? Am I reading this right?
I thought everyone was talking about how overpopulated the earth is.
Everything would be forbidden with that attitude. Cars are too dangerous. Household chemicals are too dangerous. We'd be required to wear styrofoam armor to go out in case we fall. Actually, going out would be forbidden too.
Gotta find some reasonable compromises. And prostitution already happens anyway even though it's illegal. It's probably impossible to completely eliminate.
prostitution is already legal.
it is called modeling.
nobody wants some fugly drug-addicted skank off the street.
After prostitute was a legit job here with many regulations like fair share for the sluts, only with condom and many other things illegal girl trafficking got really down and puff daddys who got 90% of everything are not a problem anymore too.
They pay taxes and you can fuck something like pic related for around 50 euros here...
Making all this illegal would be a disaster like your failed war on the drugs...
>Why should prostitution be illegal?
Everyone involved is getting taken advantage of.
The john is paying real money for something he should be getting for free. Any average looking man with average social skills shouldn't have to pay to get laid. And people with below average looks and below average social skills should still get laid but they just need to work a little bit for it. And of course, porn exists for times where any guy doesn't want to put the time trying to meet a woman.
The whore is no doubt some teenager or twenty-something that should be improving her life, not collecting stds and a lifetime of shame. Almost every single one is in it because of drug addiction and crippling psychological problems. You might find a stripper just "earning extra money for college," but all whores need professional mental health treatment.
And that's the best case scenarios. That's completely ignoring how much of prostitution is very dangerous men hiring 13 year old sex slaves prostituted by drug pushing pimps that beat/inject underage girls to force them to have sex with guys that could very well kill them.
>but there's exceptions! Carson City! Amsterdam! Etc!
Those places aren't exceptions. They may keep the drugs and sex trafficking out of sight, but it's there if you really go looking for it.
From a country where prostitution is legal.
Prostitutes and brothels get taxed.
Work is much safer. If you work illegal your pimp is the only source of protection. If you work officially you benefit from the laws that protect you. Like every other worker.
You get the full rights like every other working person like healthcare, pension, unemployment benefits and others.
You make prostitution illegal and get a swamp full of criminal thugs who only abuse you and you risk your freedom or even your life if you go to the police. You get no protection and end either broken and abused or even mentally ill.
>I think the age for porn should be upped to 25.
Yeah that would be great. Prostitution too should be older. But that would probably be harder to enforce.
Those girls should at least try to make a living some other way. And figure out if they would really be OK with doing this.
Yup. It's social control. Women keep men in the rat race.
>I thought everyone was talking about how overpopulated the earth is.
Not in the west you dumb fuck. We import third worlders like crazy because our birth rates are too low.
yes but the difference is we can't stop people from driving cars or using chemicals at home. We can't stop prostitution but we do have the power to not put up a giant sign that says "come fuck some dudes daughter!!!"
im not against prostitution for the record, I'm just against advertising that sort of stuff for moral reasons.
He lives in a country where prostitution is illegal
LMAO stay cucked.
In the meantime, a 5/10 (me) has sex with 9/10 chicks delivered to his door
Oh but hey, you can always fly to Thailand huh? :^)
>That's completely ignoring how much of prostitution is very dangerous men hiring 13 year old sex slaves prostituted by drug pushing pimps that beat/inject underage girls to force them to have sex with guys that could very well kill them.
This doesn't happen in legal prostitution and it's one of the main arguments for legalizing prostitution.
>for something he should be getting for free. Any average looking man with average social skills shouldn't have to pay to get laid.
I'm above very muscular and above-average attractive, but I LITERALLY CANNOT get laid, or have a gf/wife, because I'm a NEET.
I could pull out $100 to fuck a whore, but don't have the kind of extreme money required for a girlfriend.
But the government determining what's moral and using force to ensure everybody follows the same viewpoint is totalitarian. That's not a government's job.
If you want a moral society, you encourage church and community, and if someone wants to use a prostitute or sell her body anyway, stopping them with an ultimatum make you the bad guy.
>not hopping on nightshift.co and doing the exact same thing
Prostitution is illegal, hiring a "security" escort isn't
learn to loophole you fucking leaf
>Government can't tax it!
Good. Taxation is literally theft.
>The john is paying real money for something he should be getting for free. Any average looking man with average social skills shouldn't have to pay to get laid. And people with below average looks and below average social skills should still get laid but they just need to work a little bit for it.
That's a lot of should's.
>The whore is no doubt some teenager or twenty-something that should be improving her life, not collecting stds and a lifetime of shame. Almost every single one is in it because of drug addiction and crippling psychological problems. You might find a stripper just "earning extra money for college," but all whores need professional mental health treatment.
That I feel pretty bad about desu. There's very little help for people with drugs/psychological problems in the US it seems. Not much of it in Canada either (not free anyway).
But prostitution already happens no matter what. Legalizing it encourages it somewhat, but it also makes it safer.
Short of sex bots becoming a thing, prostitution probably can't go away. Even that wouldn't be enough. Sex bots won't replace people for a long while. It can't possibly be the same.
>And that's the best case scenarios. That's completely ignoring how much of prostitution is very dangerous men hiring 13 year old sex slaves prostituted by drug pushing pimps that beat/inject underage girls to force them to have sex with guys that could very well kill them.
I think legalization makes it easier to crack down on that. You force them to operate into the light. You cut off the profits of the underground ones.
It's legal in Canada?
This is interesting.
It comes with all sorts of legal problems. How do you regulate it?
Forced condom usage? Mandatory disease testing for both Johns and prostitutes? How often?
What if the woman gets pregnant?
What if a male prostitute impregnates a female customer?
How much should you tax? Would sin taxes apply?
How would you settle disputes where a man pays for sex but the woman declines to render services?
>implying you need religion to have morals
I'm gonna talk out of my ass here but I think its safe to say the majority of people are against prostitution. like I said I'm not personally against it, but I just don't think we should advertise it. If you wanna pick up whores thats fine, they hang out around bars and all over the streets at night, its not difficult to find them. but having websites or news flyers with your daughters picture in them is a bit much.
So having sex for money or a privileged life is immoral?
Good to know.
Prostitution and fornication shold be punishable with death.
>this restores the family
>I'm above very muscular and above-average attractive
Silly you, you forgot the most important thing.
Someone killed a man over a chicken wing. Better ban them.
It's already legal in Nevada, you can go look up how they do it.
Condom usage is mandatory, the whores are routinely tested for STDs regularly.
>What if the woman gets pregnant?
Not an issue.
>>What if a male prostitute impregnates a female customer?
Male whores and female customers are practically non-existent. Anyway he would have to wear a condom, not an issue.
>How much should you tax?
However much the government wants, not an issue.
Wow your "issues" are really deal-breakers, how could it possibly work with these "issues"?
It has nothing to do with that. It's just an old fashioned puritanical belief with Christians that it's a "sin" to sell your body, or to engage in sexual acts outside of marriage.
They cling to outdated morals like this, so they can pretend to be ethically superior, meanwhile they've made many other "sins" like gambling, alcohol and drugs legal.
>I'm above very muscular and above-average attractive, but I LITERALLY CANNOT get laid, or have a gf/wife, because I'm a NEET.
>because I'm a NEET.
You've been sold a pack of lies. Women don't give 2 shits if you're a NEET. Hop on dating sites/tinder. If you're really "above-average attractive" you can get laid tonight.
>only students or guys with good jobs can get laid
Can you imagine how small the world's population would be if that was true?
>It's just an old fashioned puritanical belief
We should consider WHY this prohibition arose. Prostitution was common long ago, and as societies advanced it was outlawed. I'm curious why.
It seems extremely detrimental to the family.
>So? I can sell my stuff on craigslist (for example) and nobody gets taxed there either. Same concept.
The stuff you sell on ebay, already paid taxes, that's why they don't make you pay more taxes. Not a good argument.
Prostitution is a like a job (same as pornstars), by not paying taxes you are the same as a drug dealer on the streets, you don't contribute to society and all you do is keep everything to yourself.
Jesus turned water into wine, how could they believe alcohol is a sin?
It does say drunkards are sinners, i.e. people who excessively abuse any drug.
It's legal in Europe and they have a birthrate of 1.5 while America has a birthrate of 2.3
>a chicken wing is comparable to having your daughter or sister in an ad for sex
imagine the legal complications, at least with the chicken wing you can say hands down the guy is a fucking idiot and needs to go to jail. but can you really jail a father for wanting to protect his child? it just creates the possibility for too much legal bullshit
Well run brothels counter both the negatives you posted as well, so there's literally no reason to not legalise prostitution.
>Women don't give 2 shits if you're a NEET. Hop on dating sites/tinder. If you're really "above-average attractive" you can get laid tonight.
Maybe I will try once I get a car...
Maybe you're right and they'll at least fuck a guy with no money if he looks good.
This is bullshit too though, we don't want legalization, we want decriminalization. Keep the state out of affairs like this, we're taxed enough.
>No different than a college slut whoring herself around and not knowing/not telling anyone about having any
That doesn't make it okay you fucking degenerate
>Why should prostitution be illegal?
Degenerate.
Dangerous.
In short, it's exactly what the enemy wants to do to White countries.
>No different than a college slut whoring herself around and not knowing/not telling anyone about having any. Any grown person should know the potential consequences of having sex with someone. And always wrap it before you tap it, lads.
You can't offer a legitimate reason why anyone should have sex with someone other than their married spouse of the opposite gender.
>So? I can sell my stuff on craigslist (for example) and nobody gets taxed there either. Same concept.
Just because something is "legal" or "taxed" doesn't make it right.
You're no better than a "muh dik" nigger.
Our higher birthrate is because of Mexicans.
of course they will lol. wtf do you do when you go on dating sites/tinder? do you actually read the profiles? or just look at her picture and decide if you wanna fuck her. thats all women do too.
No, it's not
>There's very little help for people with drugs/psychological problems in the US it seems.
Nah, there's tons and tons of help, but it's all voluntary. Back in the day, leftists made it so you can't have someone committed against their will. So hobos and other mentally ill people walk the streets until they decide they don't want to anymore. Makes it really hard to treat people when facilities are voluntary only and people have illnesses specifically driving them away from treatment.
>But prostitution already happens no matter what.
So does rape, murder, theft, hard drug use, etc. Shrugging your shoulders and saying it's "inevitable, might as well tax/regulate it" is pure surrender.
>I think legalization makes it easier to crack down on that.
It's true. Once you regulate it, you clean it up to the casual viewer. But you haven't cleaned up the mental problems driving women into being prostitutes. And you haven't cleaned up the social problems driving (very often married) men hiring prostitutes (behind their wives backs). The drugs and abuse is still there too, right out of sight.
You're an idiot. If prostitution were legalized, brothels would only exist for the lowest classes, like migrant workers and broom pushing niggers. Any girl with any qualities would be able to set herself up as an escort, working out of her apartment, or doing in-call, and it would be next to impossible for "Daddy" to find out, or find her customers.
And, over time, "whores" would become normalized, and less scandalous, and family members not giving a shit, especially the ones with hot daughters and wives they can turn out and put to work on their back, so they can stay home and play video games all day.
We, as a modern society, really should be treating prostitution more rationally, and support it, so it's more like the courtesans in Japan, a noble profession, trained, quality, safe, and women are treated as special for entering the field.
There's no downside to legalizing it. By licensing it, you can mandate testing, and reduce the spread of STDs, you'd reduce rape and sexual assualt, everyone who wants to get laid can, money would flow to single mothers, doctors, and the local businesses, the state and fed would benefit from all that subterranean income now being taxed - the only group who would be impacted negatively are the churches and religious (and most of them would be customers), and single women, who will have to try harder to get dates, when every guy can ignore her bullshit and go bust a nut in a girl who looks just like her after work for $50.
It's the epitome of "my body, my choice". I'm surprised more feminists aren't behind legalizing prostitution.
Putting a price on something priceless devalues it
Relax there ahmed
its a control element that is wrong.
this country is not free, and never will be.
we all know why.
I'm thinking of getting a girl to celebrate on Trump's inauguration day. How long of a nofap period beforehand would be optimal?
>And, over time, "whores" would become normalized, and less scandalous, and family members not giving a shit
are you sure its me who's the idiot? or does your family just suck major ass?
we dont legalize it for the same reason we dont legalize hard drugs, doesn't matter that you and I are comfortable with people making their own decisions, theres a lot of people who aren't, because they've seen it destroy their loved ones.
More college aged women are turning towards cams than escorting. It's safer, it can be done anywhere, it's legal, and they never have to see, hear, or smell their audience. Or get groped by a sweaty, fat neckbeard in a corner of a club, or have a pack of ferals learing at them and hooting like chimps.
Support your local cam girls. It's a good thing. One day, that hot neighbor of yours might show up on one.
>Nationality Asian
lmao
>Maybe I will try once I get a car...
Millions of women don't give a shit if you have a car or not. Would you refuse to fuck a hot chick because she didn't have a car? See how stupid that sounds?
Sure, having a nice car, a nice house/apartment, a good job, a prestigious degree, and the title "his royal highness" all makes it MUCH easier to get pussy. But the entry level to getting laid easily is "be okay looking, with basic social skills." That's it.
Legalized prostitution has never "destroyed" anyone, in any society it's been legal in.
Pull your dumb as fuck, religious, sanctimonious head out of your ass.
Dora exploring the streets.
Do you really think you're getting pussy for free?
>You can't offer a legitimate reason why anyone should have sex with someone other than their married spouse of the opposite gender.
Because men NEED sex and marriage is becoming harder to get
>Women refuse to marry down, yet over 60% of college grads are women
>There's not as many women willing to get married
>They're more career-focused
>More women don't want to have children
>Women can cheat on you with no legal repercussions
>They can then divorce you, take your kids away, and force you to pay money
>You can even be forced to pay money for kids that aren't yours, even if you have a DNA test proving it
>Most western women are nightmares, they're mostly leftist/SJW/feminist archetypes or believe enough of that stuff to be ruined, and there's not enough of the ones who aren't to go around
Fucking a prostitute is just way easier. I'm starting to care less about reproducing, or basically just giving up, society makes it so difficult.
Any woman who would fuck a guy because of what car he owns, is probably a lousy lay anyway.
>200 dollah per hour
Where prostitution is legal, the state become s the pimp. They provide protection (police and judicial system) in exchange for a cut of the profits (taxes and fees).
When a government goes into the gambling business (lotteries) they make anyone else running a gambling operation a crime.
>Because men NEED sex and marriage is becoming harder to get
So the solution is to make things even worse than they already are?
>Fucking a prostitute is just way easier.
You sound like a nigger that needs sex in order to function.
> I'm starting to care less about reproducing,
Exactly, you don't give a damn about the survival of the White race. What's worse, you think that the extinction of the White race is acceptable.
>or basically just giving up,
KYS then race traitor.
>society makes it so difficult.
And you really think that's not by design?
>Legalized prostitution has never "destroyed" anyone
>prostitutes are healthy well adjusted people that go on to become successful professionals and community leaders
Lol.
I wouldn't say every prostitute dies in the gutter with their throat slit, but do you really think prostitution is beneficial to the woman in any meaningful way other than money in her pocket (and stds in her veins)?
I've banged my share of hookers. I've asked a couple why they do it. One actually said she just loved to fuck and figured she could get paid for it. The others were a mixed bag of no other options or it's easy money.
I don't see how I was taken advantage of since I sought them out, looking to blow my load in a pussy and they got paid more by the hour than the most crooked union flunkie.
All legalizing it would do would give the girls and guys who are abused by shithead pimps and madams a legal recourse for abuse.
It's a win/win.
College grads, at least in the US, are massively fucking weighted down with debts. It stinks of something extremely overinflated, no wonder they were so desperate for Bernie.
>Would you refuse to fuck a hot chick because she didn't have a car? See how stupid that sounds?
No but surely you understand the extreme difference between how much males and females want sex from eachother right?
An ugly 3/10 obese single mom could go on a dating site and get hundreds of offers. Girls are really picky and have the choice of whoever they want.
Let's just say for the sake of argument I'm a 7.5 muscular good looking guy who isn't retarded, it doesn't matter if you believe me or not. Do you think I could actually post on one of these dating apps, and find some girl to fuck even though I have no job/income, no car, and live with my mom? I do have some spending money but that's it.
>pay 200 fucking dollars an hour to get a woman to touch you
>brag about it unironically online
Start now
When you live in a society and reap the benefits of living in a civilization, you pay taxes faggot. Don't like it? Find some unclaimed land, live there and enjoy shitting in the woods. Grow the fuck up you fucking pleb.
Why do you assume that prostitution, removed from the dangerous practice that it is when it's illegal, would be "harmful" in anyway? Is it an attack on your feeble little mind that a woman could enjoy sex and intimacy, and get paid for it?
Could you be MORE retarded?
That's been how government has been since forever, no shocker there.
fuck families
>workers
You ment SS leeches
>Nah, there's tons and tons of help, but it's all voluntary.
You get charged insane amount of money for that though right? I guess you can just not pay? Do they actually help people? I just assume you get out of there jobless, homeless and even crazier.
>So does rape, murder, theft, hard drug use, etc. Shrugging your shoulders and saying it's "inevitable, might as well tax/regulate it" is pure surrender.
Yeah, but prostitution is a bit different. The victim does so voluntarily (kind of). Stopping people from getting things in exchange for sex is hard.
I guess even if no drugs, it's always crazy to be a prostitute. They probably wouldn't do it just for the money. They wouldn't have to.
But there's all sorts of "soft prostitution" going on too (which isn't as bad though). People just love money. Or really need extra cash sometimes.
2bh, if I could sell my dick to cock hungry 3/10 chicks for $50-$100 a hour, I would in a second.
I'd quit my job and set up an Uber like service that drops of bored Chad wannabes at your doorstep to fuck any of your hungry, hungry holes for a nominal fee.
>I've banged my share of hookers. I've asked a couple why they do it. One actually said she just loved to fuck and figured she could get paid for it. The others were a mixed bag of no other options or it's easy money.
Heh. Some of them must have had drugs addiction or serious psychological problems?
I guess "no other options" should be fixed. Prostitution is easy money in a way, but can also be very harmful.
>cam girls
I don't understand why people are into that desu. You pay someone to tease you and you still have to fap.
>Do you think I could actually post on one of these dating apps, and find some girl to fuck even though I have no job/income, no car, and live with my mom?
Honestly? Yes. But it's up to two variables.
1. How old are you?
If you're 35 and living with your mom as a NEET with no car, shit's going to very difficult, brah. Get used to toothless obese single moms with 3 brown babies. You're still getting laid tonight, but you're not going to be bragging about it. If you're in your teens or twenties, there's millions of women in the same exact situation as you on these sites looking to meet 7.5 looking guys. You might want to lie a bit and call yourself an artist or something to explain why you're in a shit situation currently.
2. How picky are you? Remember our toothless obese methhead single mom? She's looking to fuck you TONIGHT! Look, everyone needs attention/companionship, and women are willing to pay with their bodies for it. We all want to bang 10/10 women for free, but if you're willing to dip down to 5/10, you can probably find plenty of very nice, very sweet women willing to spend time with you. And if you have enough charisma, they'll take care of you financially until you can "get on your feet."
But hey, don't take my word for it, prove me wrong. Create some profiles, put yourself out there, be honest and upfront (but not stupid), and see who you meet.
Remember: Women don't want sex as much as men do, but they fear being alone about 20 times as much as you want sex.
I'm still impressed desu.
>You get charged insane amount of money for that though right?
Depends on the state/situation. But most often, if the person is destitute (no job, hobo, etc) then it's covered by medicare/medicaid, so it's free. But since the patient can check out any time they want, it's almost impossible to get them to complete their treatment and get clean of their addictions/disorders.
>But there's all sorts of "soft prostitution" going on too (which isn't as bad though). People just love money. Or really need extra cash sometimes.
You're absolutely right, where there's money involved, this kind of thing is never going away. It will just change shape and forms, but it's always going to be available in some sense. But what society should do, is always shun it and encourage healthy relationships between healthy caring adults. Anything less is a surrender.
I'm willing to be with very ugly girls, I don't care about that I'm not picky.
I've just never tried because I assumed they would never want anything to do with a guy with no money under any circumstances.
I've felt like this for years but you're giving me some pretty good motivation that it's possible. I think I really will try.
the comment that there's no reason to ban it in our reprehensible, degenerate society, was not wrong.
But we can make policies for the society we want, not the society we have and hate.
So, what arguments against prostitution could we make if we were building a better society?
1) It's bad for women
a woman who has been a prostitute is permanently damaged.
she can never have a normal life.
same with porn actresses.
men value chastity and loyalty.
women who are ex-sex workers have traded a lifetime worth of value for some short term cash.
it would be like selling organs (which is illegal everywhere) - do you let someone destroy their own body, soul, and spirit for short term cash?
Women who want "out" of the life have to lie about it to get out. Society shouldn't accept that. Since honesty, loyalty, and chastity are components of female value in the sexual marketplace, a woman who lies about her sex history is committing fraud. Society should always punish fraud.
So, allowing women to prostitute themselves ensures that they destroy themselves for their entire lives, and puts them into a position where they have to defraud society if they ever want to "undo" the damage.
2) It's bad for families
Married men should not be banging prostitutes. It is a dishonor to himself, to his wife, to his children, to his community, and to his nation.
Because degeneracy rots a society from the inside.
Just because society is rotting, doesn't mean that you should just embrace the rot.
In fact, your very assumption that hookers whould be legal because sluts is a symptom of said rot.
>No Different than a college slut
Implying college sluts are acceptable
Don't "Tap" anything. Get a good lady, wife her, be loyal and have a family like a normal human.
is that a little kid?
NO!
Completely possible to fuck chicks if you're a NEET.
There are lots of losers with high-paying jobs and expensive cars who have trouble picking up chicks.
Just have to be in good shape.
A built 6'2" NEET will do way better than a scrawny, 5'7" startup-found any day.
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