How was the United States military repulsed in Vietnam without any Chinese intervention?

How was the United States military repulsed in Vietnam without any Chinese intervention?

How were the forces of capitalism defeated by a semi-feudal, nascent socialist state?

I've literally never understood this.

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The government lost support for the war, they didn't really lose in regards to casualties/damage

It's not that you were repulsed, it's just that it wasn't worth it having so many people die in Vietnam, they simply would not give up.
Governmment lost support because of it (and some other things that since i'm not american i can't really talk about) and had to pack up and leave.

Russia provided Vietnam with tanks and other such weapons. The Vietnamese were pretty good at guerrilla warfare. To be fair to us, though, we killed far more of them then they did us. We all didn't have a population that was enthusiastic about the war, for good reason. We could have defeated them if the war were important enough to us, I suppose.

Same reason as Iraq. The bodies piled up, and everyone started calling for the troops to come home.

we also*

Because we didn't use the bomb

>i know nothing about vietnam: the post

you appear to know nothing of "guerrilla warfare" and I recommend you read up on it before you embarrass yourself again with one of these threads, OP

>American propaganda machine tells everybody the enemy army is on the ropes, can no longer put up any real resistance

>Chinks make suicidal push against Americans, shocking America and breaking their morale, a strategic win at the cost of a great tactical loss

>IT DOESN'T COUNT VIETNAM YOU DIDN'T REALLY WIN.

Lol Burgers mad Vietnam outsmarted a superior force?

Change of administration; After Linebacker II the NV went crawling to the peace talks in Pairs.

Then the media in their wisdom of military tactics claimed the NVA won a victory with the Tet Offensive rather than suffering catastrophic losses.

Cue the US government going full pussy and leaving millions to suffer under communism because the press are a bunch of fucking hippies.

Yeah, I wonder that too.

>How were the forces of capitalism defeated by a semi-feudal, nascent socialist state?

Vietnam was the first televised war, so a lot of cucks placed pressure on our government, which lead to the military not being able to take liberty in how it removes rice.

It was basically the fault of liberals. Not because we couldn't beat them. We could have.

Damn, checked.
My first trips.

If the aim would have been to win no matter the cost ans slaughter everything it would have been over in a weekend. The us was for a lack of better words to "good hearted" cared to much.

They did out-smart us, and they did win. However, we did not lose.

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>America joins the war to help stop yet another country from falling to Marx's bullshit
>Americans use precise military and social tactics to capture key points and win over the populace
>VC and NVA use terrorism and human wave tactics to take those points back
>The north was killing so many civilians and so many of their own, it became less of a war and more of a sick joke
>Pressure back home leads the US to withdraw and agree on a peace treaty despite kicking ass
>The commies ignore the peace treaty and invade the south anyway
>Turn vietnam socialist and go a whopping 15 years before giving up and opening the markets back up anyway

Nice.
Is this how you "defeated" China as well? What about the mongols, or france, or cambodia?

Never trust the eternal viet

We defeated them in literally every single battle. They couldnt defeat us in battle and youre right the liberals forced us to leave vietnam

Thanks, Austria. I'm so tired of everybody making fun of us for this.

>they did win. However, we did not lose

Because War isn't entirely a string of tactic engagements. War is a political action. The Vietnamese created a political and literal meatgrinder into which they threw themselves and the Americans into. The weak social fabric of the United States began to turn on itself and fracture, creating a political environment that began a march towards anti-war. As the death toll rose, as did the anti-war sentiment.

Vietnam is proof that you can lose every battle and win a war, because war is politics.

checked

Our media

>Join other wars
>"WE won, yes us Americans won these wars, you couldn't possibly have done it without us"
>Start your own war
>Get utterly btfo
>"G-Guerilla warfare, muh nukes"

Yeah, okay United States of Never Won A War America.

Well, all I'm saying is that North Vietnam got what they wanted. Technically, we won every single battle and killed a much higher percentage of their soldiers than they did ours.

militarily you decimated the vietcong.

Culturally and politically you lost the war.

>It wasn't a military war to begin with so you cannot win a military victory.

If you kill your enemies, they win

Also it wasn't our problem to begin with. You can trace it back to the failure of the French

Vietnam was a drug smuggling OP.

> and they did win. However, we did not lose.

Is that you Justin?

>what is the Revolutionary War
Also, it is fact that the Axis Powers would have won had we not intervened in World War 2.

What matters in the fight is not the size of the dogs, but the size of the fight in the dogs. They simply had more fight.

North Vietnamese was willing to die fighting to regain independence from Chinese and Colonial influences. Americans wasn't willing to continue sending troops into a meat grinder to fix France's dumb mistakes.

>literal rice farmers repel US army despite carpet bombing with cheap automatic weapons and mines while riding water buffalo into battle
But US citizens could totally never take on the Government because they have planes and tanks!!!

>I get my history from Cracked, the post

No, it was more like the American propaganda machine held the US back from hitting harder because every yellow journalist from the states was reporting on the HORRORS OF WAR every fucking chance they could because it sold papers. The Tet offensive was a massive tactical loss that if it happened in any other theatre that wasn't cucked by the news media would have been a fucking footnote, but since everyone was crying back home the Govt. pulled out of Vietnam, and without the support of the US, particularly the air force, the south got rolled up. Sage for your shitty thread.

>getting more kills mean you win

The USA military was completely and utterly humiliated in Vietnam...

no clue what youre talking about maplenigger

>shocking America and breaking their morale

not of the troops, no. of the dumb hippie drum circles stateside, yes, because they already made up their minds and this was just confirmation bias

Communist master race shoves punji stick up Americucks asses.

How can US stop losing so much>?

Boy they sure did outsmart us by having 20x the deaths that we did. Even with the Chinese and Ruskies helping them out.

I guess we lost though huh? Well, I suppose if you kill your enemy, they win after all.

>without any chinese intervention

they actually openly admitted they sent over 300,000 troops in the PLA's official media

from USSR, China etc altogether there was about $140,000,000,000 in today's dollars worth of military and economic aid provided to north vietnam

people have this idea that all they had was infantry guerrila fighters, but we lost over 2,000 aircraft there

USSR sent their most advanced AA to defend strategic positions in the north, and our pilots weren't even allowed to target them because killing their soviet crews could greater trigger conflict with USSR

the level of aid provided to them was about 5-10x what we provided to muj in afghanistan

The North Korean government taught both the Chinese and the Vietnamese everything they know.

Don't believe me?
Then why hasn't NK been taken down if they are 'so pathetic and dumb and starving (for the last 20 years apparently)".

because they are a superpower, and they discreetly control the entirety of asia through china and Chinese investment sans India, Thailand and Japan.

but we lost the primary objective
it makes sense if you've ever played objective based shooters
people who think the US won vietnam are the same people who play for kills and ignore objectives in objective based games

Is that you Dustin?

If you take a pro heavyweight boxer, tie one hand behind his back and make him travel via hopping in a potato sack..

Then you make him fight 5 midgets that don't even lift...

The midgets win every time

>korean war
>vietnam war
>war on drugs
>war on terrorism
When did US win their last war? I dont think they have won a single war after 1945 when they destroyed europe and nationalism.

>sweden
>having any relevant opinion on wars when his country is being handed over with zero resistance to shit skins.
Wew lad

Fantasy.

Dwindling support at home due to hippies, war lasting too long and the gooks putting up a hell of a fight.
American army clearly under estimated the situation and went balls deep.
No plan for what to do when war is won.
Americans are mostly seen has invaders by the local populace.
Good gook and bad gook is almost impossible to tell.

Imagine this scenario, and don't make fun of me for it ;(
Superman goes to fight Robin, for whatever reason, justified or not. Superman is decimating Robin, for obvious reasons, but Robin is not dead, because Superman is holding back. Instead of killing Robin, Superman decides to retreat becuase fighting Robin is no longer worth the energy or time. Has Superman been humiliated?

>having more kills means you won

ARE YOU STUPID IN THE HEAD?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??

America was left BATTERED AND BRUISED and FLED vietnam like a bunch of CLUCKHeADS!

>what is the persian gulf war
>What is the spanish-american war

We weren't. We stomped the shit out of them and then the Democrats literally just decided to leave after a ceasefire was signed instead of staying to make sure its terms were obeyed.

Shall we have a rematch then?

Maybe with ALL of our weapons this time.

This is completely irrelevant because the USA hardly decimated the Vietcong

>They didn't really win because they took advantage of the US media and public to defeat the US

There is nothing as funny as listening to Americans rationalize why they didn't lose

>Bragging about how you gave up with 20x less losses than the Vietnamese

WEW LAD

We did, though. We won every single battle and killed a huge percentage of their military men.

LULZ all the burgers in this thread

>but
>but
>but
>but
>but

You're shit and you lost and you lose all the time.

>How was the United States military repulsed in Vietnam without any Chinese intervention?
How was the Soviet military repulsed in Afghanistan?

How was the United Kingdom military repulsed in the Thirteen Colonies without any French intervention?

How were the forces of monarchism defeated by semi-puritan, nascent free trade colonies?

I've literally never understood this.

>We won every single battle

you can't be serious

t. the country WHO SENT MONEY TO THE VIET CONG, you cucked fuckstick.

Okay, that was an exaggeration. We won almost every battle.

>Projecting this hard as your own country is being overrun by Mexicans and other illegals
How "shocking" of you to resort to that type of mental self-defense, my 60% white American friend.

You do realize we were allies in Vietnam right? You literally fought with us.

it was never about winning. It was about attrition and profits. Big business learned from WW1 that war gives you great returns. It would still be going on if it wasn't for those camera men who showed the wargrounds for what it really was.
Thats the reason (((they))) don't allow cameramen anymore on the battlefield.

Shouldn't you be insulting your indigenous population for being violent drunks?

The argument was that they outsmarted us, which they didn't. The retarded hippies were the reason we quit fighting the war.

In all reality, it was a retarded war to begin with and we had no business being there.

What's with all the leafs shitposting about this topic. When's the last time your country has even done something relevant besides letting your entire country get cucked by your faggy leader?

You leafs are a fucking disgrace to the anglosphere. At least Australia is entertaining when they shitpost.

Yes, it's true but we have pride and we need to make up analigies about how we are a giga heavy weight nigga boxer/superman/superpower simply walking away from a fight.

It's tough to walk by the retirement home that houses all those lonely crazy GI's from that era. I just remind them about our gdp when they are sucking off some black guy for vodka money.

>repulsed in Vietnam
>utterly demolished gooks
Read a book, nigger.

>It's not that they outsmarted us, it's that Americans are retarded

Look up the kd ratio for both sides, faggot.
We annihilated those gooks. We pulled out of Vietnam because of political pressure, if we stayed we would have won with ease.

> without any Chinese intervention

Even if there wasn't, and I'm not sure that's true, there was Soviet intervention.

In more direct answer to your question though, guerrilla war. We had to fight slope irregulars who could pass as farmers or whatever. And while we did kill a bunch of civilians, we were still trying not to. If we'd wanted to, we could have used our technology and resources to bomb the entire jingle into smouldering coals.

In the interest of fair play though, we decided fight a largely conventional war with conventional forces against a largely unconventional enemy force. Same thing is happening in the middle east right now and the unconventional spec ops units are having much more success, just like those same units did in Vietnam.

>Lose war
>Get upset when people mention it
The only reason this is working is because you're so defensive about it.

Why didn't Hitler just start off by attacking the Russians

I mean, we were Superman walking away from a fight, though.

>with zero resistance
key phrase

Now that's a lie my silly and uneducated American friend. Our anti-immigration party is polling its highest ever from a very recent study.

America accomplished its geopolitical objectives of containing the threat of Soviet expansion in southeast Asia and the threat of a unified communist bloc. By the time the Vietnam war ended the Sino-Soviet split has long since happened, the US had opened relations with China, Vietnam and Cambodia were fighting and soon China and Vietnam would be fighting. By the time the Vietnam was ended the communists were eating each other alive proverbially speaking.

Arrogance.
Russia is an agrarian backwater to Hitler. There is no way they could make anything like a T-34 tank.
This was a miscalculation.

>hate the jungle
>try buring it down
>doesn't work
>spray chemicals everywhere instead
>4 million people get cancer
>leave
>take a bunch of their babies while we're at it

Yeah, I'm not really going to bother getting flustered by shitposters from two of the most cucked countries on the planet right now.

If you wanna make fun of the US for Vietnam, go ahead. At least we're going to make our country great again while you fags let the rapefugees ruin your nations.

I guess if I was stuck in canada or sweden, I'd probably hide from my sadness by shitposting as well. Good luck in the coming years, maybe you guys can turn things around.

pop it in the thread ragnarr

SD?

Supposedly a wierd fact I saw on battle field one multi-player login screen is that a majority of the US was for joining the central powers during ww1 ?

And that most of the tanks and hardware were Fr**ch

dawg we literally fucked their shit up non stop , we couldnt go full beast mode because it was too " mean " and people get their little feelings hurt

Is Vidya spewing nonfact as fact to our youth ?

I'm not trying to be a dick here, just genuinely curious: isn't it already kinda too late for Sweden? Your anti immigration party is polling high, but if they get in, will they deport the thousands of Arabs and Africans ruining your future demographics and causing your sex crime rates to sky rocket? Even if you do manage to get rid of the horde, aren't most of the native Swedes completely fucked in the head by Marxism? I mean feminist fucking snow plowing systems?

I wish you guys the best but you have a long fucking way to go.

America never lost a single battle against the gooks (look it up you stupid fuck if you don't believe me)

>We were too afraid of looking like an imperial power so we didn't fight to win.
>for example, we were not allowed to hold ground we captured (look up hamburger hill for the most obvious example) we would kick the shit out of the gooks, kick them out of whatever strategic ground they were in, then leave only to repeat the same thing a week later.

>we were not allowed to cross over into the north and concur it. if we were then it would have taken a week or so. were would of had to fight a guerrilla war but nothing of any consequence. (think our invasion of Iraq but even easier. Iraq was us destroying a country and taking it over with ease followed by every muslim from around the world with extremest views pouring in to kill americans. no one would have come to gookland to fight and die for them. it would have been a lot easier fight then iraq)

>when nixon got into office he bombed the shit out of the north bringing them to their knees and then to the negotiating table to sue for peace)

>>we went to paris, made a peace deal, left vietnam, then a few years later (after nixon quit) the gook bastards invaded the south and there wasn't the political will in america to come to the rescue again

don't believe me? then pick up a fucking book and learn history instead of depending on the left wing entertainment industry for your understanding of history.

god damnmit! fuck you for not knowing history and making me so angry that i had to write a wall of text to a fucking retard who is too lazy to read a fucking book

9/10 for making me respond and making my blood boil

It's because americans are shitty fighters, and especially the Vietnam vets who were all faggot baby boomers. Americans are deracinated subhumans and it is hard to have a good military when your only reasons for fighting are to protect Israel or die for Jewish corporations. That is why the American military is generally crap when compared to real militaries throughout history. If it had been the British forces of the empire the Viet Cong would have been subdued by a few thousand men, but since it was Americans they only got slaughtered and got ptsd like pussies (fact: British never had ptsd in all of history, only deracinated subhumans suffer from it).

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here you stupid cunt, it took me 10 fucking seconds to find a short video to prove HOW FUCKING STUPID THE PREMISE OF YOUR QUESTION IS

FUUUUCK!!!!! i dont know why i come here anymore because you are all fucking retarded

this place used to be full of smart people acting like idiots
>now it's full of idiots who actually think they are smart

WE HAVE BECOME REDDIT

FUCK THIS PLACE AND FUCK YOU OP

youtube.com/watch?v=7hqYGHZCJwk

our army wasn't repulsed lol. we accomplished all our military goals in vietnam and left. we had an agreement with the south vietnamese that we would resupply 1 for 1 every piece of equipment we loaned them, from ammunition to heavy vehichles, everything. congress refused to continue doing this and south vietnam fell to the north.

the liberal narrative would like you to believe that we were steamrolled in vietnam or something, which isn't the case and is an outright lie.

You dumb shit, I'm so fucking tired of hearing about this faggotry fucking bullshit argument.

The K/D ratio was 50 to 1, and that was with the US holding back and not using all of its firepower in the interests of saving civilians.

Comparing guerrilla warfare tactics to conventional was is hyper autism. Can a bunch of clowns with AK's defeat the US army in a conventional fight? No. Can they sneak around pretending to be rice farmers and then ambush US soldiers? Possibly. Does this make them good fighters? No.

Can I defeat the MMA heavyweight champ in a fair fight? No. Could I sneak up behind him while he's in a grocery store and shove a knife in his neck? Sure. Does that mean I'm a better fighter than him? No.

FUCK OFF

>Not because we couldn't beat them. We could have.
Incorrect. Americans do not win wars.

Fact: Americans have never won a real war.

We had a lot of German immigrants and people with German heritage in our country at that time. So much so that the 2nd most spoken language was German back then.

Of course by ww2, the jews had pushed the nazis are evil meme so hard that the public couldn't imagine siding with them at that point. But during ww1, most Americans wanted nothing to do with Europe's war at all and we might of even stayed out of ww2 if the nips didn't pull that shit at pearl harbor.

People like to push us as a war hungry nation, but we were largely isolationist until after ww2 where we had to step up as a superpower to keep the commies in check.

Didn't the chinks helped out with North Vietnam as well or I'm confusing it with war with Best Korea?

Waaaat?

>how to trigger americans 101

Guerilla warfare.

Americans can't do shit if the enemy runs, hides, and pretends to be innocent civilians.

>Vietnam was a drug smuggling OP.
And this. US military are simply low quality mercenaries for Jewish drug trade.