/Fascism/ Why ?

Is this tread we lay down Arguments for Fascism.
First of all we need to lay down why fascism is better than a democracy and why we should change.
It goes like this.

>Can Fascism point out a problem ?
>Can Fascism solve that problem ?
>Why can't a democracy solve that problem ?

I will beguin

>Problem #1 - Term Limits, unreliable Executive Orders and the Opposition.

A problem with Democracy in this day and age, Executive Orders.
Let's say for example that President Donald Trump made an Executive Order to Ban all Muslims coming to the US,
and this executive order is approved by Senate and House. This order takes place and now muslims are banned from coming in.
The certainty of this order only lasts as long as the President, The House and Senate remains the same (About 4/8 years).

The next election senate and president can change drasticaly. Thus repealing the previous president executive order.
And the opposition if it controls the senate, can just throw away any plan sugested by the president just for the sake of opposing it. They will
Justify it by using dubious Constitution imterpretation.

This system isn't fit for long-term plans.

>Fascism is Authoritarian !
Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by strong central power and limited political freedoms.
Thus creating a system that's more fit for long term goals as:

>Rebuilding destroyed cities
>Dismantling failed systems
>Education.
>Infrastructure
>Reestablishing the nuclear family
>Making the citizens work-out so they don't become walmart tier obese neets.
>Slowly getting rid of the welfare state so people can adapty to these changes more successfully
Etc...

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>Problem #2 It can't sustain ITSELF !!.

Another problem with Democracy is that it relies on other countries to keep up with the demand.
Thus giving power to another country over you !
They treat the citizens like spoiled children. They will always demand X and Y even if the state can't keep up with those demands.
And they will give them even if it means bankruptcy, unhealty citizens, obesity, etc.... In hopes on a re-election.
This will eventually turn into a snowball (The more you give, More they want).
Sooner or Later countries that can provide for your citizens demands will screw you over. ((((CHINA))))
And now if you stop bowing down to these demands there will be riots. And you wouldn't be able to do anything about it
because (Muh-Freedom).

>Fascists discouraged or banned foreign trade, supporting protectionism over the economy and citizens !!

Fascism Believes that too much international trade would make the national economy dependent on international capital,
and therefore vulnerable to international economic sanctions.
Economic self-sufficiency, is a major goal of fascist governments.
Fascism is highly militaristic, and as such, fascists often significantly increased military spending.
It also emphasizes privatization.
the government has a strong control action,
effectively controlling the production and distribution of resources. On the whole, except in a few cases,
nationalization of the economy of the fascists developed on the basis of private property and of private initiative,
but it was subordinated to the tasks of the state.
Fascism approved pursuit of private profit and gave significant concessions to large corporations,
requiring instead that all of their economic activities serve the INTEREST AND BETTERMENT OF THE STATE THUS ELEVATING THE PEOPLE.

There we go Sup Forums give me more arguments that you guys can come up with for /Fascism/.

And if any of you Anfascism goys are out there you're also welcome to debunk.
Your criticism will only make us STRONGER !

Brasil hear me out, I am interested in fascism only as an answer to communism and left wing degeneracy. I want it ultimately to be a stop gap measure to bring society back on the right path and then return to a relatively free market with relatively free political freedoms, but not so much that we repeat the communist indoctrination / subversion from before.

Especially on South America, democracy has failed, our leaders are weak and easilly corrupted, we need to bring back morality, pride on our flag, and learn from the sins of the past to kick-start this continent into a golden age of progess and strenght
I think most people on the site agree that fascism can and has worked in the past, the question is how do you implement it in reality, given the bad PR it has, and the knee-jerk reaction people have whenever you say you are a fascist
If it were to be realistically implemented, it needs to start at a ground level, and then build up
>pic related
Chilean nationalist/proto-fascist movement

I see your point, and i understand why an American would want to keep the Freedoms. Is part of your culture.

But for Brazil man, i mean WE NEED THIS NOW !!!

>Obs: You typed Brazil with an "S" it makes me skeptical of your birth country.

e que falo o portugues e por isso escrivo o assim

Brasil does need it now. Fuck, it needed it yesterday!

I have always advocated personal fascism, as in living your lifestyle very strict and fascist in your own life. Only then can you claim to want to have that as a political movement.

>The question is how do you implement it in reality.

Brazillian Intregalism is the answer !
For Europe would be a bit tought, but with the right policy we can make it work without genocide.

And also europeans won't need to deport everyone. If they can keep just a low amount of immigrants in their country it wouldn't make much of a diferrence.
If they fix the goddamn Nuclear family unit and end Feminism/Welfare ONCE AND FOR ALL. Whites would be popping babies more than muzzies.

Pic related is a Chilean politician/businessman that advocated for something similar, that countries need a strong government to advocate for morality, secure borders and strong, working institutions, when those things are established, you can begin liberalising markets and rolling out democratic measures
He said, in very clear terms, that with the demographics in south america any democratic government was doomed to fall or devolve into aristocratic rule, because they were too fucking dumb to figure shit out for themselves
Nothing has changed

This, pretty much, I would say most, if not all of SA needs to be levelled and rebuilt from the ground, the problems we face are but a symptom of the disease that plagues our countries

>let hostile non-citizens remain in your country

That's fucking retarded

Also

>integralism

Fascism for men who like it when their daughters fuck niggers

I will look into Diego Portales. Very interesting. I have felt the same way. Pinochet is a manifestation of that, no?

i like to make right wing / fascist leaning vaporwave meme cards to feel like i am contributing something.

That's is it. We can't demand do end degeneracy if we are degenerate ourselfs. The change beguin with us !!! Ohterwise we are just another hypocrite.

The fact is, The state is a major representation of the people !!

Here in brazil we see people stealing cables, breaking the law, evading tax, etc... This same people come around and talk about how the gov is corrupt.

IT'S A SHAME !

Absolute Catholic Monarchy > Fascism > Everything else.

The right wing in Chile is a bunch of corrupt cunts, same as Pinochet, while he did good in getting rid of Allende and commies, he sold out the country to (((foreign companies))), plus he stole a load of money
But in essence, yes, he established a constitution and the basis for the system we have now, and the UDI (our far-right party) is a self proclaimed portalian-party
I have no love or respect for them though, they take every chance they get to steal money and take cash from corporations, and don't work for the betterment of the country, rather to perpetuate the status quo and their investors, instead of addressing the concerns of the people and working towards the future we must aspire to

>not having green
Hey Irmão
Are you in favor of the united kingdom?

I did not say to let hostile non-citzens in you'r country, if all non-white where violent and unfit for modern society the white race would be dead allready.

Let a small number that can play by the rules remain. They will not overcome whites if their numbers remain small and whites start breeding again.

How can we have ethnic purity in Brazil?
It only works for european countries
Integralism for Brazil, its our system, others need to create their own, its on of fascisms base principals, each country governs itself based on their own necessities, to go against internationalized political systems

>Catholic Monarchy

We are Having difficulties putting fascism in place. Imagine that !!!

Let europeans cleanse their gene pool, its still not late for them

Do you have more of like this? I like

We have a large religious population still, also some people relate fascism to anti religious sentiments
An authoritarian government directly connected with religious beliefs would be better accepted by those conservative groups inside our country

The thing is genocide will lead to intervention, that will lead to war. Even tho fascist is bretty gud at war. The allies will come crushing down with overwhelming force. Another war against fascism will justfy Antifascism sentiments on the entire globe (AGAIN). Just make our cause harder to achieve

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Fascism is the only realistic way to stop global warming.

Hitler didnt get shit from allies whilst cleansing Germany
The problem was when he began expanding his territories into other countries
If he had stayed within german borders allies would have had a harder time trying to justify another war

>Politics doesn't interest me, but as a good citizen I feel free to express my opinions and to censure the government. Democracy, which is so loudly proclaimed by the deluded is an absurdity in our countries, flooded as they are with vices and with their citizens lacking all sense of civic virtue, the prerequisite to establishing a real Republic. But monarchy is not the American ideal either; if we get out of one terrible government just to jump headlong into another, what will we have gained? The Republican system is the one which we must adopt, but do you know how I interpret it for our countries? A strong central government whose representatives will be men of true virtue and patriotism, and who thus can direct the citizens along the path of order and progress.

I think religion is a necessity in imparting a strong morality in the people
While not necessarily being intertwined, Catholicism, or at least some the moral aspects of it should be imparted in state funded schools

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Yeah that's true. I myself think this kind of gov is not that far away from Fascism. If the curch stays OUT and let the Monarch rule alone it can be good. The church is extremely corrupt.

These fucking rule. Nice job

Well to make such a claim you would need to explain why a Democracy or another type of gov can't do it.

I agree 100% with you but this is for the redpills and not for the circle-jerk.

The Catholic Church has for millennia been a stabilizing figure in European international politics and society.
It imposes a strong moral sense and intermediates between countries, it served as an important tool for peace during the most glorious centuries of european development. Mussolini believed in the capability of the church to adapt itself to changing governments and he was right in forming the independent vatican state, a very wise move. If only peace had reigned longer between European nations, the church would have helped cement a firm base for Fascism

Anything that can bring more unity is welcome. But we need to be very carefull to not make more enemies than we allready have.

But did the church not be protected by the Francoists in Spain?

Thank you. Have another. Gotta catch em all.

The only problem I have with the church is those that run it, that's why I would opt more for the principles and moral guidelines it imparts, rather than give them actual political power, go for the cultural aspects of it, rather that the structural-political side of it
Especially with that argie closet-commie as pope

Anauê!

I believe in the church as a form of ministry as any other but not in a modern sense of the word, but as advisors, and serving as in the past as a justifier/validator of the monarchs decisions

Yes
I said it is seen not that it is true
We have been through a lot of brainwashing
If you ask common folk they will mostly tell you Hitler was an atheist

What makes fascism distinct from democracy? I haven't heard a good portrayal of it yet.
As best I can tell
> Extremely socially conservative
> Nationalise businesses?
> /milcore/ fashion
> Memes
What am I missing?

Like i said in
Also as an intermediator of international debate instead of the (((UN)))
The pope commie francis can be explained as Mussolini predicted it, the church adapts to survive
If government changes the Church will change.

cattle voting.

Help me understand here, once the fascist state has set things in order (no corruption, working institutions, secure border etc) how can you ensure that the process of democratization actually begins?

History shows that once people are granted ultimate power, they struggle to relinquish it and in some cases a degree of violence is required in order to take back power from a despotic ruler. It reminds of that quote, I may be paraphrasing but it goes something along the lines of "ultimate power corrupts ultimately".

Fascism is quite interesting if for no other reason than how taboo it is. But there is one aspect of it that I can't rationalize and that once the conditions are right, the leader will benevolently restore democracy. Are there any historical examples of this?

Do they use that expression outside of Brazil?
Also "cabresto" is closer to a herd as in sheep

I think the major point is that when a Democracy gives the people a certain entitlement/right the democracy itself is unable to undo it. Thus making the society get even deeper into the Hellhole.

Is that really what you want our country to work towards? I mean, I wouldn't be opposed to it but it's never going to happen; we have no leaders and we are a mostly race-mixing low-energy people.

Just help me campaign for balkanization, at least we can do it even if everyone is lazy.

In Brazilian history we have our first vice president (Floriano Peixoto) who ruled with militaristic authority as to protect the new born republican constitution, when his term was over he gave his position up to the elected president Prudente de Moraes.
We have also the Roman dictator that was called two times to defend rome
Both times after the war was won he gave up his position as dictator over to the senate and retired to farming

cattle is cattle, my friend. it doesn't matter where you are.

if one system could achieve such marvels for a society, why would the people want to get rid of it?

if you build institutional organisms that can control the excessive centralization and abuse of power, the problem is solved.

Don't forget
>Distinct and exaggerated sense of national identity (whether it's racial or not depends on each group I suppose)


Just made another one.

That's very true my hue-friendy. The thing is we have to beguin from the bottom up.

see We have to start low, it is possible, but there's just too much work ahead. But i'm willing to red pill as much as i can to make it happen

>if you build institutional organisms that can control the excessive centralization and abuse of power, the problem is solved.

I can see your broad point but could you be a bit more specific? What would these institutions look like? What powers would they have? How would the people who run these institutions be selected and how would you ensure that they themselves do not become corrupted?

We have another example in Brazilian History
After the suicide of Vargas in 54 we ended in political turmoil, vice president picks up the stick, lets go of it, president of what i believe to be our equivalent of the house of commons picks up the stick, we elect a new president (Juscelino Kubistchek) but the president in charge refuses to stand down because of ideological disparities, a Military coup is staged and a general deposes him and assumes the position as president, militaries tell him to continue as president and begin a military regime but he refuses and gives up his place to the elected president Juscelino

That's a pretty good argument against fascism desu.

At the end of the day we can't ensure our own leader wouldn't become corrupt himself.

This needs some deeper evaluation of what can be done to solve such a problem. No form of gov is flawless.

But in the end you would be "more right" than I am
Absolute power in the vast majority of cases corrupts absolutely, we have some exceptions

High-Tier Success
>Pinochet
>Salazar
>The Guy in Charge of Vietnam when we offed him in '63
>Metaxas

Medium Tier
>Franco
>Mussolini

Don't remember any others desu. And fascism is inferior to "Paternal Authoritarianism". Fascism has too much socialism mixed into it i think. Salazar is probably the model for whatever someone is going for, the more stable right-wing strongmen of East Asia are good for that people.

If you want to get triggered about Vietnam, Tom Woods interviewed some historian about how the Vietnam War was pretty much only lost because (((diplomats))) didn't like that the leader of South Vietnam (a Catholic) cared more about his own country than America. The guy practically pioneered counter-insurgency to stop commie fucks

You could empower the legislative the judiciary and the executive. Make them solid and reliable.

Next, you should implement a 100% transparency rule for all powers. And the people itself could monitor and patrol the acts of the government via internet or whatever.

If the "great leader" step a fucking mm out of the line, his politic life is caput. If there's any abuse of power, the people, the senate the judges the fauna and the flora would be informed.

We don't need to blindly follow a fucking austrian to certain doom, on this age. Via social organization and mass communications we can make them dance OUR music.

The party isn't the leader. The party is the people.

Problem #3 The Environment.

In a democracy, the system of the demand vs offer will eventually make the gov plunder his own land. Hurting his motherland in the name of materialism.
If he doesn't then we go back to problem #2 ! That's because a democracy is unable to supress Entitlement over its's citizens.
The mass will awalys vote for more entitlement/Benefits. Because of that the democracy is unable to undo the Welfare state.


>Fascism will require that individuals sacrifice their interests to the well-being and glory of the 'land'.
When revitalizing customs and culture, Fascism will ensure that the main-land will be preserved. The eco system is an essential
part of a fascist identity.

A good book to read on fascist reasoning and arguments would be Mosley's "Fascism: 100 Questions Asked and Answered"

amazon.com/Fascism-100-Questions-Asked-Answered/dp/1908476680

>Problem #4 The Human

>In a Democracy individualism is what often gets "preached" for the masses.
But the human is flawed, an as pointed out in #2 and #3,
once a democracy makes a mistaky it is unablke to undo it. The majority doesn't know any better.
That's why democracy is such a failure. Letting people that know nothing about anything decide how we should
run a NATION is reckless. The human is a social creature, 80% of the time he sees himself as part of a group.
When a conflict or challenge comes, the individual alone is powerless. Humans do this everytime.
When you see a car, you don't think about all the parts, all the components, and how those work togheter.
You just think it is a car ! That's why you hire a especialist to fix it when you have a problem ! Because he knows what has to be done to make it work again.
Even if it means replacing crucial parts of said car for new ones.

> Fascism is the collective.
We are stronger togheter, If is there any component missing/broken/corrupted in the system, it will no longer work as it should.
A NATION united can overcome hardships easier than any individualist society. Humans don't form groups because it's right or wrong.
They do it because it works !! Having a clear hierarchy will make easier to straighten and fix any problem the nation will face.
And having a good especialist in command will ensure that the root of the problem is fixed as fast as possible.

Maybe this is just Too long to read and no one bothers anyway.