Tfw to intelligent to be a Christian

Do you Christians have a SINGLE good argument?

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You're going to Hell lol

Which ones are the worst, atheists or pagans?

*too

this meme has gone too far

is this a real question?

black people

Sure, it goes a little something like this.

There is no argument for God. It's inherent. Christianity is about accepting what is true, and right, living like christ to be closest to God, and the most good. This is evident by 2,000 years of achievement, all spurred along by Christian philosophy-- VISIBLY superior to those not guided by ideals which we have TESTED TO BE TRUE.

I will add that all the world's greatest evils are responsible for subverting us from this path. every time.

There are no real pagans. They are atheists who are ashamed of being atheists. I can guarantee not a single person on Sup Forums actually believes in Odin

Listen to Jordan Peterson

Do you believe in an infinite universe or a beginning point?

No they do not.

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Collectively these two playlists contain the extent of christian arguments. All of them are utter garbage.

Don't know yet

>tfw too lazy to actually look at the arguments and decide

that's what you're doing

thats beautiful, man

Thanks, it's the culmination of about 10 years of religious soul searching- capped off by reading and understanding the entire world history.

Well let's look at it like this

If someone believes in an infinite universe, it challenges the very nature of how we understand physics. Therefore it would be incompatible with a "scientific" view of the universe as we know it. You could argue this in other methods, but not through how we observe the world today

If you believe in a beginning point, what causes it? Science has stated that something cannot come from nothing, even if it's conversion from one thing to another. The question for all religions is what causes this beginning point? Is it an ultimate creator, is it some sort of providing field in the universe, or is it the normal course of nature? Christians assume the most likely answer is an ultimate creator because everything seems "too" perfect for us. I can understand this sentiment, but don't agree. It's up to you to decide what you think is a likely answer in that scenario

Yes, it's called faith you fricken moron. Maybe if you had a little faith God would be real in your life too. Too bad you'll be spending an eternity burning with Satan in the afterlife doing drugs, alcohol and having sex with children.

>Christianity is about accepting what is true, and right
Saying whatever you believe in is true without provig that it is is not an argument.

Here, as a simple example:
There is no argument for Allah. It's inherent. Islam is about accepting what is true, and right, living like Muhammad (pbuh) to be closest to Allah, and the most good.

You're not converting to Islam, are you?

im due to be baptized soon. i think the values system will greatly benefit my family and i

You're not half as smart as you think you are. No offense or anything, just it sticks out like a soar thumb; you're either under 25 or retarded.

Churches are different everywhere, what's important is your relationship with God. I've been reading a lot of history, and some countries were introduced to Christianity with a psyop- or had it forced on them. I think some Slavic country told me the other day they are Christian out of spite for the Communists. There's a lot of different things going around in the world of politics, but I think what's most important is the appreciation of the beauty of God's gifts.

There the same God btw lmao
Get fucked cunt

Then there's no harm in saying La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammad rasoolu Allah right now, is there?

Care to explain?

Read guns, germs, and steel so you can stop gargling on this intellectual backwash.

Europe was already in the big leagues long before Christianity became popular. good land, lots of easy trade, lots of useful animals. there are real world reasons for why certain things happen the way they did.

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No, I only read true sources from accounts of those who lived close to the time period. Thucydides, Plutarch, Caesar, etc. I don't read some Jew's pop-culture 1990s book on his summary of shit that he read once.

>Read guns, germs, and steel

Faith is not a virtue, its a gullibility.

Faith is something everyone practices everyday, it's not a gullibility, at best it could be a vulnerability, but so is everything else.

Give thinking a try some time

>(((guns, germs, and steel)))

Zebras are an objectively more difficult animal to domesticate then horses, niggers were not smart and had worse conditions to work with.

>implying that animal domestication is the core keystone to jared's works.

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(skip the bitch and go strait to sargon)

Christfags get in here This man just declared himself christ and has abunch of followers

First GG&S, now Sargon? Really?

Christianity strongly promotes the traditional family, which has been the bedrock of civilization for thousands of years. Other family structures are empirically inferior with regards to life outcomes for the children. Atheism promotes unrestrained sexuality, which results in women flocking to the top men and creates an underclass of sexually frustrated but still quite dangerous men. These men will eventually revolt against the dominion of the top males, most likely ending up killing them due to the superior numbers of the rebels. Thus, not only does atheism foster family environments that result in increased poverty, violence and disease, but it creates an unequal distribution of sexual relationships that destabilizes society. This is why every civilization that has withstood the test of time has had strong religious roots.

*blind* faith in magic sky daddy who has been disproved from every angle and back for the last decade is a flaw.

Try thinking yourself before you try to defend that kind of worldview.

that doesn't actually make any of it true.

>le sky daddy meem

Correct.

What words does the Lord's prayer start with?

Checkmate.
Simple really.

I believe it does. If a system of life advances the human condition to the most observable beauty, then it is the most correct. You'll find this logic most acceptable.

Also the philosophy was around since the Greeks, the golden rule, the 10 commandments are both Greek philosophy.

Absolutely. The codification of the Christian faith was a sword to split honest Greek thought from the superstitious Talmudists. Khazaria, of course, adopted Judaism in retaliation.

No, you want mad truth?

Nothing can be proven. Conciseness is dammed to try and explain everything what is reality, but the best it can some up with is symbolism.

Words, thought even, is just symbolic. You can never know anything to be 100% true. The universe is /most likely/ probabilistic, and not deterministic. This means everything that could happened has, but somewhere else. The only reason you have free will is becasue this reality is a distinct course of action among other options.

Consciousness is shaping up to be a pipe dream - humans are just squirrels with more bells and whistles. Stop thinking so hard and just meme already. Memeing is the meaning of life.

>Memes are the meaning of life
>checkmated a checkmate

>be 19yo edgy atheist me
>having a conversation with my dad (he's a spiritist)
>we start talking about religion
>i tell him i don't believe in it
>he asks me if i believe in science
>yeah
>he says "you agree that nothing is created out of nothing, right?"
>yeah
>"so who created the universe?"
>duh... the Big Bang
>"what created the Big Bang"?
>idk some dust particles i guess
>"what created those particles?"
>silence
>"see, i could do this forever and at some point we would have to find something that has always existed, and that thing must have been created by a power we can't comprehend"

I know this is kind of dumb but that changed my point of view forever. Now I believe in the Simulation Theory.

Who created the creator?

>double slit experiment
>realize shit don't exist till it's observed
>reality is simulation
>simulation is god
>le Goldilocks probability brought about the universe over infinite time
>universe is a single entity
>consciousness is an illusion

meditate and/or use drugs and it becomes pretty apparent

nothing created everything. probability just favors that shit happens, so it does. the universe is predicated on spontaneity - that is the creator - simply the likelihood of existence occurring.

That question wasn't sincere but thanks for answering anyway.

I don't belive in god. Yet i self identify myself as a Christian because of tradition and values.

You don't have to believe in God to be a good Christian.

Here's the reality of it all.
Some people have an experience similar to mine and I hope that someone does have a serious non shitpost answer to this:
What does one do when they stray from their religion, become exposed to so much more of life than was ever thought available, the beauty and tragedy and horror of life,
It's all so intense and nearly overwhelming, borderline sensory overload, but as time goes on and more experiences are had you find yourself questioning the deeper aspects of life, the hard questions that seemingly have no answers.
You find yourself incapable of returning to religion to find an easily accessible purpose to life, and you begin to resent your own intellect, not enough to put you among the stars, to make a real difference on this earth, but just enough to be incapable of simply living unquestioning of the deeper harsh realities of existence and the lack of answered to be found relating to its origins and purpose.
You find yourself stuck, no god could possibly exist that is so cruel to permit such existential suffering upon humanity for an absolute lack of reason, yet if it didn't, it could not claim such omniscience and omnipotence for to know and allow is to become wicked and true evil.
You find yourself daily questioning your own existence and why you continue to live for those surrounding you attached to your life, however few they may be, and you fear that your children, genetic or not will continue this trait of existing for others and the fear of hurting them by opting out of existence...

Don't bother with these plebs my man. At some point it all gets tiring.

np, i like answering rhetorical questions with incoherent shit.

seriously tho, memes are the meaning of life. i don't know how Sup Forums hasn't unanimously figure this out sooner. i know a lot of trolls/dumb-asses end up here, but a lot of fedoras do too.

it's only a matter of time b4 Sup Forums unlocks the meaning of the universe.

earth 4 dankest memes 2016.

This is as stupid as saying you identify with socialism as you post through a Mac book.

B-but muh European culture

the fact is no-one has an argument. it sucks that you have to get gaslight to understand, but roll with the punches.

as to the question of what created what you call 'the universe' to house the God within it.

we are
ergo he is

it is your first folly to assume there exists no thing-- for we are from it.

I hope you will be satisfied with this answer.

>tfw to intelligent to be a Christian
>tfw to intelligent
>to

>merican flag

>big government is gay
>u need free will to argue for small government
>freewill has to be god given
>leftists hate christianity

and thats how pol faggots get converted

>freewill has to be god given

The comparison is stupid since I do live my life following Christian values and traditions.

>Do you Christians have a SINGLE good argument?
XX centuries of flawless philosophy and success.

okay nigger
explain how it wouldnt be god given

>soar thumb

where can i find more of brain man

Dude, don't think so hard about it. Humans aren't getting much smarter and dude have already thought these memes.

But that's just it. Meme magic is the reason for life. Life is the great meme. Don't ask for the meaning of life, ask for the meaning of memes - it's life.

This sounds like the typical Sup Forums hahahuehuepepe.jpg answer, but it's not. Why do you think you use this site? Humans spread memes for social reasons. You care about what other anons think despite being removed from them. You post for replies.

No user is an island, so keep memeing. It's the only reason to live.

Humans are by nature religious. Christianity is currently one of most harmless ways to express religiosity, while still instilling good values. If religion can't be extinct due human nature, religions should be more like Christianity.

Because there's no reason or need why it would be.

I ask again what is this 'no thing' you posit the universe 'sprung' from? It must be inside their skulls. The religion of atheism is a foolish one of superstition and pride.

nothing besides us has been proven to have freewill
the freewill argument is about humans being special and have a supernatural force (read as God) giving us free will

fucking dumb sound of music country

>Do you Christians have a SINGLE good argument?

Religion is not a debate, it's a matter of personal faith

Militant atheists are autistic as fuck that they can't process this


Neo-Pagans and Atheists are just as bad, regular Pagans are alright

>religion is an idea
>science is an idea
>humans are the only creatures with 'ideas'
>everything you're thinking right now is on the same level as religion
>contemporary views of religion are ancient memes that people thought were cool
>pepe is essentially a religion of sorts

All options are equal, it's just how practice stuff is. Science build the internet, Christianity some of the greatest art humanity has ever seen.

Ideas are just ideas at the end of the day. Let the meme battles continue until we find the perfect idea.

>Do you Christians have a SINGLE good argument?
The degeneracy and moral decay we see in western society today is a direct result as the fall of Christianity. Without proper moral guidance people are left to their hedonistic impulses and rationalize everything using fedora-tier logic.

Christianity is in the process being replaced by feminism, social justice and marxism. Atheism is the cause of gay/tranny acceptance, the destruction of marriage, slut walks, and SJW's. Now I don't believe in God myself, but I'm not stupid enough to actually believe that the common people are intelligent enough to replace a belief system that modern civilization is founded on with their own personal pseudo-intellectual misinformed secular "logic".

>nothing besides us has been proven to have freewill
Define "freewill". Then prove that we have it.

it hasnt been proven humans have free will

Its not so much desiring the answer to the meaning of life as all of the deeper meanings implied by words like onism and solipsism.
My biggest issue is I can't not think about it. The medication never shuts up my mind, the drugs didn't do it when I was growing up, the desert didn't fix the pain, and I've found myself isolated, disconnected from the rest of the world save for a small population of individuals in my life that ultimately I am left questioning in a philosophical level of whether or not there is even a solid argument without basis on assumptions that certain aspects are true just because there is no way to argue for or against them, but I am left questioning whether I could justifiably argue that this is base reality. That these relationships extend beyond the superficial, that I know the others I encounter aren't just some wild twist of my own psyche and that they actually exist.
Then I find myself going nigh full Sup Forums and becoming frustrated with the direction society and the world is taking. I find myself desiring what I cannot find, a grouping of likeness in mind of others who desire to see humanity pushed to the bleeding edge of our capabilities just to ensure our own continued existence on a galactic timescale.
I find myself frustrated that the closest things I find to my own mentality is a weird cross between neo-nazi mentalities and egalitarianism.
A desire for aryanism by virtue for all people's and that they stick to their own kind by breeding unless directly guided and manipulated by genetic engineers to ensure the detriments of each involved race are discarded and the benefits are added to generate a truly superior offspring.
The desire to eliminate theology from existence for the pains it causes but finding that very desire reprehensible knowing the pain caused to myself by my own lack of faith after turning away from Christ but having to face the fact daily that I can never return to belief because though I've desperately tried

>Religion is not a debate, it's a matter of personal faith
>Neo-Pagans and Atheists are just as bad

Really activates my almonds.

>fedora-tier logic
ideologue fags pervert schools of thought. even in a nihilistic universe you can have morals becasue they correlate with better societies.
>utilitarian fag
>realize there is a common good
>understand moral obligations to biological function of society
>don't fix what hasn't broke for 10,000 years of human society

Nowhere did I say it was because of their faith, in fact, I said
>regular Pagans are alright

don't try to be intelligent when you aren't
We already saw what happened in your last election what "Austrian Intellectuals" can do

For years it hasn't worked and I am continuously faced with the realisation that humanity is alone on this tiny rock in this vast emptiness of space.
I find myself unable to reconcile a god with my understanding through experience of life, and then find myself not even wanting to from knowing my own experience that I would only detest any god who allowed the things I have seen others and experienced myself to occur.

>prove we have freewill

listen faggot i didnt make the rules
i took a community college philosophy class
the free will argument is kind of boring and I'm an agnostic who likes free will, so i dont really have everything ironed out.

as far as I know the argument for free will would require some supernatural force to have given us free will

also austria looks nice and salzburg looks like heaven
merry christmas user

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Allah is NOT the same as the Christian God.
If that was true, there would've been no holy war and ISIS wouldn't be beheading christians

The problem is that most people are not that smart. Most people don't think like philosophers and aren't capable of reasoning beyond their immediate selfish desires. And it's even more frightening to imagine a state setting the moral standard.

There is a very good reason why all communist states are vehemently against religion and traditional belief systems. Atheists are extremely easy to brainwash and control. You can't control a nation lead by strong faith and conviction.

Over a million good ones

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Fuck off faggot

It does not matter how intelligent you are, you are still a human being.

What is real is not most important. Nobody lives in reality, you only live trough your senses, thoughts and feelings.

Life is existentially meaningless, but there are many things in life that give you the sense of meaning. The only way to escape your body and mind is by ending your life - so, if you choose to live, you should accept and live in harmony with you natural programming.

>religion is an idea
It's not just an idea, it is a set of ideas and values that aim to describe how we ought to act, in order to end up with an ideal world. Religion also implies a following, or a community.
In the contemporary world we live in, organized religion lost most of its power. Yet humans still crave for religiosity. As an out, we resort to political ideologies. It is probably as hard to convince an ardent Marxist, or an ardent kkk member, as to convince an isis member to consider that their ideology is not the right one.
It is because the same things that fueled religions for thousands of years now fuel political ideologies.

>science is an idea
A set of ideas with the aim of describing the world as it is, not as it ought to be. Science also does not describe how you should act in the world it describes.

>We already saw what happened in your last election what "Austrian Intellectuals" can do
And this relates to me as person that did not vote for that guy how exactly?
>don't try to be intelligent when you aren't
:^)

There is hardly a difference worth mentioning between "regular pagans" and "neo-pagans" looking at how the chain of tradition has been broken and thus every "regular pagan" (you're not talking about Hindus, are you?) has to have picked that stuff up the same way any "neo-pagan" has.

>tfw to intelligent to be a Christian
>to intelligent
>to

tfw too intelligent to misspell common words.

>correcting grammar on a post-ironic meme
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>to intelligent
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nice

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keked

>onism
fuck this. your brain has 100 billion neurons with 100 trillion synapses. the human brain alone is more complex than our local group of stars - multiply that by 7 billion and you'll now understand how complex we are.
>solipsism
u don't say? get over it and meme. it's the only thing you can bet on is that other brains work like yours do since you brain is wired to assume so.
>without basis on assumptions
all arguments have a basis of assumptions. all knowledge is based on what is assumed. if you claim nothing is anything, how can something by anything?
>superior offspring
evolution is predicated on malformations. mutations are the greatest driver of genetic change (along with viruses). eventually computers with very powerful calculation for probability will take over the coding of DNA, or bulk computing will superseded physical life altogether. we've got anther 1000 years before our DNA degrades significantly. by then we'll maybe have fusion as a species and robots, so why give a damn?
>eliminate theology
Everything is essentially theology. Math may be the closets thing to fact, but it's still - like all other ideas - limited to symbolism. Symbolism is a barrier that cannot be crossed. As soon as something is not conciseness, it cannot be known for 100% certainty. Brain-machine interfaces and quantum computing may eliminate this barrier since you can use them to directly 'know' of matter. Still, everything is just a probability. reality is not about struggling with absolute knowledge, but knowing absolutely about what can be known. unless humanity can pull a deterministic simulation of reality out of it's ass - we'll never know everything as a species. don't worry about this. we evolved to meme. just fall back on it when you're scared shit-less... like SJWs

I am an atheist, but when I am in the USA I get involved with local church communities.

Christian values are superior to anything else, and having a code of conduct that is clear and relatively concise, is useful for people who are not very clever (namely: women and young adults)

There are a lot of fake Christians in the USA though. Fag-enabling protestants and latter-day-saints come to mind. These are diseases.

lol, you say that, but Thucydides showed a pretty strong apathy towards religion and was more focused on cause and effect than the divine.