So, lets assume for a moment that the Russians really did try to sway the elections in Trump's favour.
Why is everyone assuming they did it for nefarious reasons and not because Clinton openly wanted to go to war with Russia?
If you were the leader of a country and the most war hungry country on the planet had two potential leaders, one that wants to blow you up, and another that doesn't, wouldn't you also try to help get the guy that doesn't want to kill you elected?
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>this level of backpedaling/apologism
would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic
Have you seen his cabinet picks? It's like Putin's oligarchy but on steroids.
>Why is everyone assuming they did it for nefarious reasons and not because Clinton openly wanted to go to war with Russia?
If you are American, that is still a "nefarious reason". The Nazis tried the same thing during WWII.
It's all bullshit though.
You didn't answer the question tho
One of my first posts on Sup Forums actually (which is probably more obvious considering I forgot to remove my friend code from the name field) I'm just seeing this shit all over the news and figured I'd ask here.
Seems strange that no one is considering that even if Putin did help sway the elections, he did it to avoid a war.
Clinton was havig a proxy war with russia since she became secretary of state.
The funded rebels in the ukraine. We lost them to russia.
The armed rebels in syria, and created ISIS. Putin won. His last act was to destroy her personally.
So Russia did the American news media's job for it? No big. Thanks, Russia. We were a better informed electorate thanks to you.
Lets also assume Saudi Arabia donated to Hillary to sway the election... Oh, shit. They did!
Only war will settle this issue. Heavily armed white boys against the flaming fags.
Who wins?
As much as I would love the noir intrigue of the "Russian" narrative, I have difficulty seeing how Putin could give a shit.
He has to deal with the chaotic dervish that is US foreign policy in all its manifold random ramifications either way. Lets say the US gives him a break in one place, he has to deal with either the left or right agenda somewhere else.
Lets face it. No matter where we go, its chaos even we cant comprehend.
That's how you clean shit up. Heads will roll including some of his picks but you must have people ready to help reverse the Obama perversion heaped upon this country. Don't think the two bushes had nothing to do with this mess. People like John McCain is probably the worse elected official this cycle. He wants war with Russia to get the American mind off of what He has helped to create. I mean we have a lot of Americans tittering on the edge of FU King socialism like its a good thing.
We are American Capitalist under a Representative Republic and many young kids don't even equate our dilemma to the socialist welfare state of food stamps and free health care. Washington has loaded our country with the shit of Mexico and Syria/Iraq and we wonder why our producer class does not want that to continue?
If you think socialism is American go fuck yourself.
Bastards voting for Bernie Socialist Sanders. I'd rather raise the Black Flag and settle this here and now!
Do the people want war with Russia? I'm betting no. Looks like Russia defied the traitorous intentions of the DNC.
>That's how you clean shit up.
By making it worse?
Watch this to see how bullshit all this is:
BTW where is Julian Assange?
youtube.com
Yeah, I also want to know.
>Do the people want war with Russia? I'm betting no.
If the people don't want war, then they can express that will through their vote and their elected representatives. They don't need a third party to infiltrate their system of government to make that decision for them.
Speaking as a non-american, I'd rather not leave such an important decision up to the american people.
Its not like you've got a great track record for making good decisions when it comes to wars, and a US Russian war wouldn't be like the other ones where you just blew up poor people in deserts, it would affect a lot of innocent people
You're a fine one to talk.
All your saber-rattling about 'arctic sovereignty'. Don't think we haven't noticed all your aggressive military build-up that just HAPPENS TO BE right along the Maple Curtain.
Can anyone tell me why I should be bothered about us working with the Russians like this? They seem pretty cool
Not what the report says.
Shill thread, sage and hide.
>just HAPPENS TO BE right along the Maple Curtain.
Try looking up a population density map
You might be surprised to find that literally no one lives up north
Thats where the bases are because thats where the people are dum dum
It's a shill thread. Look at the first 2 prompt replies. They always work in threes to create a bump chain.
OP posts some fake news, then others come in to call him a shill and pretend to be outraged Trump supporters.
Sage, hide and report.
I think that Russia did do something here due to the low risk and potentially incredibly high reward (Clinton would be more aggressive than Obama, while Trump may actually abandon sanctions, recognize Crimea, stop using Ukraine against Russia, have the same goals in Syria, fix the MSM, get rid of the psychopaths in US government, red pill the world regarding MH17 and much more).
Being familiar with how this hacking thing works, I know that if you do it well, it is impossible to prove who did it. Not to mention, you could plant fake traces, so even if someone says they found Cyrillic letters and use it as evidence, it is bs.
In case of Podesta emails, if he fell for the phishing attack, then it's relatively trivial to pull it off. Any Joe could have done it. But there has been other hacks, like DNC leaks. But those too could have been leaked by, say, an insider.
As for why Russia was chosen, there has been rampant Russophobia in all of EU and US MSM for years, painting Russia as the root of all evil in the world. They needed something to divert people from the emails. Russia is the natural choice. But I find this excuse hilarious, as if made for dumb people. Who cares who exposed the corruption? All that it matters is whether the emails are authentic. The answer is: they are, you can prove it thanks to the DKIM verification and the email headers.
This is my outlook as well. Thanks based ivan!
You'd like us to think that, wouldn't you Pierre LaMoose?
If that were true, then why are you so worried about the Arctic?
Nice try, Ethan. We'll suffer none of your commie tricks today, tyvm.
Anyone got the link to Hillary talking about rigging the Palestinian election?
Why? I actually like this threads.
And we actually have the patience to read what's being written.
after the arab spring americans have no voice about altering elections, we're talking millions dead from those overly funded CIA projects. That's not including advanced weapons supplies ongoing in syria to "islamic rebels"
I hope you get 11/9 every day for eternity.
Well, you've got me there
Hillary is literally on tape talking about how they should have rigged the Palestinian election.
>Speaking as a non-american, I'd rather not leave such an important decision up to the american people.
Is the problem with the American people, or is the problem with democracy?
both
>Worse
Subjective
I didn't give a fuck what, I'm super happy if we can make it 4 more years without WW3 with Russia. NATO has Russia surrounded with missiles. A dog backed into a corner eventually bites.
Uhhhhh so did you vote for Hillary when she openly wanted a no-fly zone? Thus possible war with Russia?
not an argument