What would the 2016 election have been like w/o Trump?

Who do you think would have been the nominee and who do you think would've won the whole thing?

Bush. He had just too much political and economic power. Hillary would have won though.

Cruz would have won the nomination and Hillary would have been President.

Cruz most likely.

>Generic old white guy v3.0
vs
>First female president

Pretty sure we know how the average mouth breather would vote.

No, it would've been Jeb.

Jeb, absolutely not.

probably yeb or rubio. Trump wouldnt have been around to discredit them, meaning cruz probably wouldnt have picked up much traction

Would've been Ruboto

Nah Cruz was the Favorite would have gotten the Hispanic and Cuban vote.

Jeb and Hillary would have won.

Good idea burger here a bump. Clinton

Cruz, Rubio, or Jeb! would have won the nomination, Hillary would have been the next president.

If McCain was elected (Thank god he wasn't no matter how much I hate Obama, I hate that fucker more) Romney wouldn't even have had the opportunity to run until 2016.

>two Hispanics
>black smart man
>woman

Republicans actually had a way more diverse line up than dems. She would've totally won though. The fucking white male is the one who won though.

Umm.. no, you are totally disregarding the turtles.

Trump was the only one who wanted to win, so nobody I guess.

Shit i mean Rubio fuck im drunk sorry.

Cruz or Jeb but who cares. Hillary would have definitely won either way.

Trump energized people by being the outsider, which is what a lot of people wanted. It was the whole reason Bernie took off and he was supposed to be an oddball outsider, not a threat to Hillary.

Trump was our Bernie. Fortunately we didn't have RNC corruption like the DNC had, undermining the outsiders for the benefit of the establishment.

>yfw trump won less votes than mitt romney

Whoever it was they would have lost. No one other than Trump would have the balls to go all the way out of the standard republican candidates

I wonder what the time line looks like where they did clap.

Jeb

I'm actually being dead fucking serious. That's why Trump attacked him so bad.

Without Trump, he may have been not seen as the most goofy-looking, JUST-tier candidate in the history of presidential elections. People on here may joke about Jeb, but he would've legit gotten the nomination.

However he would've been walked over by Hillary as seen in the Republican debates.

Cruz was very, VERY lucky because of Trump. He may have gotten Primary'ed the fuck out and only managed to stave through because of Trump.

this

People are forgetting that Trump castrated Jeb first for obvious reasons. If it wasn't for trump, jeb would have steamrolled them all with all his donor money.

Basically anyone could have beaten Hillary.

it would have been boring and i wouldnt have followed it or cared who won.

>was too young to understand politics during 08 election
What was so bad about McCain?

This.

As much as I laughed and shat on Jeb, there was a reason why Trump tried to completely emasculate and destroy him harder than probably what he did with Hillary.

the fuck are you talking about?

It would be hard to energize the republican base without the "Kick all of the illegals out" narrative.

Trump really knew how to get republicans pissed off & angry. Just mention illegal immigrants.

Kek has spoken.

Kasich could have beaten HRC, but the nominee would have been Bush going on to lose in the general. No one would have destroyed Jeb as definitively as Trump, and Cruz only gained traction as "The Real Conservative's Conscious Choice!" when Trump had demolished everyone else.

On the other hand, putting aside Jeb's war-chest and political capital, he's such an awful candidate that it's certainly possible he loses traction elsewhere, causing Kasich's donations to spike.

This

It would've gone down to Jeb, Kasich, and Rubio

That would have been a huge red pill for normies. Seeing a Clinton and a Bush nabbing both the norminations.

That's some royal family shit. Everyone would be forced to agree that the system is broken.

What if Hillary never got the nomination? Would any of the top 5 remaining GOP candidates beaten bernie?

he went to what was it vietnam and had sex with a lady and had a child and called it a war then he made friends with Middle Eastern terrorists and started helping them setup their new Organization.
and he killed too many americans.

Top that off with no candidate that would appeal to Righties like Trump, and Bernie getting cucked still. America would be in a very sketchy place.

but he didn't?

no Trump in the 2016 election cycle...

the big money and rinos would have shoved him through like a stiff turd with a laxative, the race would have been btwn jeb and cruz.

Jeb with muh togetherness / strength
cruz w/ muh jesus and family values and the left hates me so I'm good for you!

>after a close race it would be a jeb / rubio ticket
Jeb for the name recognition / dynasty values, and rubio for the young hispanic feel

Would run against hilldog, who would be less stressed out and better prepared for this outcome. Would mop floor with the two during the debates, and election night

and on nov 9th we will all wake up and say
>Hello Madam president

Then the rinos would dust themselves off and shoot for the midterms to push more of their rino shit. 4 yrs later if hillary is still alive, and if WWIII with russia did already start they would push for another bible thumping loser like cruz or some other lackluster reagan wannabe, who thinks that all the worlds problems would be solved by outlawing abortion and gay marriage, to which then would lose spectrally to the dog and we would be fucked for 8 whole years of SJW smugness

but luckily bullet was dodged *relieved.jpg

>However he would've been walked over by Hillary as seen in the Republican debates.

Oh yeah. The debates would basically just be Hillary saying his last name over and over again and he would lose in a landslide.

Jeb/Rubio ticket

Cruz could have pulled off an upset but I doubt it.

Kasich would have lost. He's a cuckservative... would have run to the Democrats rules.

Trump won because he defied the status quo. He defied political correctness.

Democrats have been dictating the etiquette and what's socially acceptable for decades.

Trump defied Democrats in situations where a Republican like Kasich would have bent over and begged for forgiveness.

Its not Trumps fault Jeb looked so stupid

Yeah

Jeb is god awful in debating, he got walked over by EVERYONE in the Republican debates, I can't name one person that he won against.

However he still would've grabbed the nominee just like Hillary when she was trash in the Dems Debates too.

Even though both of them are shit at debating, Hillary would've beaten him, possibly in several moments, eviscerating him.

It's not, but Jeb couldn't react properly against someone like him. That's why he ended up looking so retarded.

Just thinking about the oppo attacks the GOP had on Bernie makes me shiver

The American people would sooner vote for a water bottle than a communist Jew atheist who spent their vacations in the Soviet Union, marched with commies in Nicaragua chanting "Death to the Yankee". Not to mention if you can't get the niggers out to vote for you in the primaries, then they sure as hell won't come out in the general, look how badly Hillary did with black turnout.

Heck, just show the tax plan he had planned and he's done.

I dunno... replace the words old, atheist and jew with young and black and narcissist ...Poof! you get obama

I don't know, I didn't bother predicting shit with him because he was gonna get cucked one way or another.

>socialist retard that didn't work until he was 40, got kicked out of a commie paradise because he absolutely refused to do any work, praised fascist dictators like Castro
No, Rand Paul or Ben Carson could have easily kicked his ass.

That's if either of them could pull through.

I wonder if Trump's base would've been part of Rand or Carson had he not run.

>Rand

I would have stood with Rand, and I still think he would have been a better candidate and certainly President than Trump.

Obama had a very, very high approval rating, lots of Repubs liked him too. Heck, he won Indiana and North Carolina. With Bernie, you have a guy who looks like he's about to keel over, and being an atheist is fucking devastating in a general election. I don't think there's a single atheist in the Senate or House

Does anyone think Rubio may have won the nomination?

I would've too, but I wonder if without the shadow of Trump, he would've succeeded. Hell I wonder if Sup Forums would've gone the full 100% as this board did with Trump, and succeed.

I rank him as second behind Jeb in clinching the nomination.

Bernie Sanders is a Senator you faggot.

god i wish she did porn

on on one yes absolutely, but by the time the election would have come around rand and ben were long gone. you can thank the establishment and the primary season for that, where the first few crucial states are geared to have christian theocracy candidates win out and filter out the libertarian leaning candidates.

This is why ron Paul, and other candidates are rubbed out by third super Tuesday.

Trump survived this because he broke the mold on what a conservative candidate is and acts. It because of this why he survived the bible thumper onslaught which mostly went to cruz. If trump was not in the race Bush would have pulled in better numbers and with the money would have kept him alive until he got to some bigger less religious states

I honestly believe Jeb still would've lost even if Trump hadn't jumped in the race. He was just way too quirky for a republican electorate tired of losing.

Jeb would have got the nomination and he would have lost by 150 electoral votes.

The average "mouth breather" literally put Bernie over Clinton? Might want to rethink those assumptions

I don't know, Hillary was trash in everything and only got through the primaries due to rigging and having no one other than a retarded socialist kike as nominee

Jeb was just a Republican version of Hillary. Garbage but full of money.

>being non-religious means you're un-electable

Uhh, you know a billionaire from NYC won the presidential right? Even his "apology" speech for the hot tapes made no mention of begging for gods forgiveness, or even the publics. Just like "yeaaa its what I do." Every other time someone in politics is caught red handed, it's instantly "may god and my family forgive my horrible sins." None of that with this guy.

He's smart enough to surround himself with fundamental's to balance it out, which is why Pence was probably the straw on the camels back that won him the election, but he isn't religious and I doubt many people buy that he is.

Whoever else Putin wanted to be POTUS

>mfw Hillary still won

That maybe so but I doubt the voter turn out would be what it was, and the passion just wouldn't be there on either side. which would have gave hill the edge. I think the election map would look almost identical to 2012 obama v romney

>Obama had a very, very high approval rating
Fun fact 5% of people who voted for obama thought he was the antichrist.

Trump isn't religious but Norman Vincent Peale was his family's pastor who is the author of The Power of Positive Thinking

Ben Carson could have beat Hillary

I think he was referring to the Primaries

But for election? Nopelol, Jeb's fucked

Yeah, but money really isn't everything. Hillary had a much bigger war chest than Bernie and yet he still almost beat her.
I process it this way: The anti-establishment sentiment was too big on the Republican side to elect another version of Hillary hence why Cruz did so good. I just can't imagine the 2016 Republican electorate still choosing the establishment after losing 2 elections in a row.

The thing is that Cruz got REALLY lucky in the primaries because everyone else got annihilated by Trump

I think we wouldn't have had anti-establishment candidate this electionbut by 2020 instead. The sentiment was there, it's just that there was no one, and Trump was the wrecking ball that did it in

I think Trump was just very smart about his appeal group. He targeted the rust belt and won practically all of it, some by a hair but that's all he needed.

Its really hard to say
I think the Jeb implosion was inevitable
He was considered the main target and Cruz would have been pushed as the outsider to topple him
No one knew how awful he was at debating before but it would have been discovered
I think he would spend the entire time trying to keep threats down but Rubio would never have been so nervous with Jeb and Christie would knee cap him like usual
Cruz would remain on the outside for half of it like before then do his surge but without a Trump to nullify his debating style his little inside coup would probably work
The thing Trump did that changed everything was he made Iraq an acceptable hit and 911
These things cripple a Bush but no Republican would have done it letting Jeb go further than he did

Cruz had a decent chance at being the anti-establishment candidate if Trump wasn't there. He couldn't appeal to the Midwest to beat Hillary though.

This. Only he and Rubio could have defeated Hillary, but wouldn't have got the nom.

Jeb, and he would have lost. Maybe Cruz. But he would have lost.

It depends without Trump, Jeb would've never been as much as a joke that early on. I don't think we would've seen how pathetic he was during the Primaries as badly in this timeline.

There was a reason to why Trump was unrelenting on Jeb. He knew that Jeb would've been the prime candidate, and he had to hammer him the fuck out as quick as possible

Frankly I'd be embarrased if my 60% white country elected a nigger president when 40% white Brazil government is 99% white.

>40% white
>no nigger president

is White Brazil red-pilled? do white Brazilians vote like a minority group?

Yes trump did shatter the republican meme and talking point about
>bush kept us safe guise
>he did not lie about wmd's... he was fooled by bad intell

That was the copypasta and go to response that every present and future republican candidate was parroting, and was a huge breath of fresh air when trump said fuck this, and no one knew how to deal with it... was fucking marvelous

Probably Cruz, and he probably would have won in the traditional way, a fucking rock could have beaten Hillary on the virtue of positive approval ratings.

It's funny because there wasn't a single good plan to counter Trump. I don't think there was ANY plan that would've been possible.

Trump was a fucking wrecking ball to the Republicans, it was amazing, and they couldn't have done a damn thing to stop it

The best part is when Trump got crowds at the debate to cheer his "cause you'd be in jail" line. He absolutely obliterated Hillary.

Cruz was as bad as Trump at the time of the RNC

Because they are a minority group?

Hahaha. I don't even believe there are 40% whites in that hell hole.

How do you guys even walk down the street?

popular vote:

romney 60,933,504

trum[ 62,895,938

BTFO

Yeah but you remember Romney?
He was not nearly as pathetic as Jeb and it cost a fortune in all the GOPe muscle to keep the insurgent at bay
The whole thing was going to be blood bath eventually and Jeb just couldn't handle it
The only one who had populist outsider loyalty with a well organized machine was Cruz
Cruz was also the only one half as good at getting under people's skin
Oddly enough I think Trump actually might have stabilized the GOP by killing its establishment so easily, it would have been a much huger battle without his kill shots

No way. Jeb, unlike Trump, actually did have a low ceiling. "No more Clinton no more Bush" was being said months before Trump was in the race and Republicans were already distasteful of the Bush dynasty, which was a sentiment Trump coasted on. The nominee would have most likely been Rubio if the anti-establishment immigration hawk frame had not been set up by Trump. It's the only reason Cruz lasted late into the primary.

What even better is nobody even bothered to devise a plan to counter it
Trump shattered the bullshit memes and got massively booed for it only helping him look like a bold truth teller, for simply saying what everyone thought
They all thought he would just naturally go away
I honestly Jeb was the only one who understood the threat first, because he was the one aware of Trump's brutality the most
All the attacks highlighted what people liked
>Youre not a politician
>You blatantly insult people
>Youre not some brainwashed #true conservative ideologue
>You dont have the temperament of robot
>Youre a brash crass over the top alpha who will do literally whatever he wants
Its like they expected his supporters to be completely shocked at who they supported, and never bothered to think maybe we already knew and liked it

This. Jeb! was dead and just didn't know it.

Rubio would be the GOPe choice and any one of Cruz / Rand / Carson could have been the outsider ultimately defeated by the time the RNC rolled around.

True to an extent, I remember Rush and other radio guys sucking off cruz hard, as if HE was the poster child of the anti establishment... problem is that this was a total farce. Cruz was a huge establishment wall street hack. This was why it was so easy for the GOPe to fund and push for him after bush crumbled. Cruz was

It was almost as if Cruz was the insurance policy if bush failed, cruz would be the back up plan. The GOPe did know that there was a no more bush and clinton mindset in the country however they thought that after 8yrs of obama, with enough cash and the hatred for the clintons that the repub electorate has that they could over power the anti bush feels, but if that fails... cruz would be on the doorstep ready to go

Are you sure about that though? The screams of "socialist" would fall on deaf ears against Bernie because they have been used for 8 years on Obama. Much like "racist" didn't hurt Trump nearly as much as it was expected to.

I think one of the most important things is the Carson factor
He was never going to win, what was important is how he losed
If Cruz hadnt been a lying asshole to steal Carson's vote thus pissing off half the evangelicals and actually brought Carson over he wouldve been an even bigger threat
Cruz was an idiot in thinking his meme tax would be a winner, but if he started hitting the second amendment hard he also had a winner
I think Rubio was supposed to be Jeb's VP

I would like to say Rand would have won the nomination. But his support is confined among younger audiences (who themselves prefer his father Ron) and not spread amongst the broader Republican base.

Rubio was the back up plan in a way and Cruz was controlled opposition
Cruz was mistaken for being anti establishment, when actually hes just an asshole with a god complex
Hes only anti establishment because hes insufferable and will fuck over everyone
With Bush Im sure the strategy was for Congress to do a fuck ton more than it did this year in slamming Clinton
Instead of Chaffetz it would be Paul Ryan leading some crusade like he has any integrity to distract from Bush
I bet muh Russia wouldve been thrown at Clinton

But she's got HPV

Cruz would not have made it far at all if Trump weren't in the race. Cruz was essentially the "constitutional religious conservative" alternative to Trump late in the primary, but he only made it that far because he seemed to be the only candidate who agreed with Trump on illegal immigration. Carson would have fizzled eventually as well when voters started to see he didn't seem serious about the job and spoke about grain silos rather than the issues.

>All these fags doubting Jeb!

What knocks Cruz out though?
He had Texas in the bag basically no matter what, Jeb and Marco spar over Florida possibly allowing a Cruz steal
Kasich becomes much less relevant if Jeb and Rubio remained
Carson fading away naturally gives Cruz full evangelicals

Rubio was the first back up plan yes, As he was the GOPe #2... but the first plan was to have him be the young hot cuban face of the party and would go as VP, then after yeb is done he would rise up to run.

If memory serves it was him who took the GOPe reigns after jeb imploded. I also agree to a certain extent that cruz was controlled opposition and was planned to be the movie's villain and to take a dive when ordered.

However when rubio took over it looked as if it were a last minute change and the GOPe were struggling to somehow push this guy who they really didn't have a plan for, which was why after he promptly failed cruz took center stage

As for cruz winning, I will say he had better odds then jeb, but he pisses off way to many ppl on both sides. Unlike trump who remained funny and popular after pissing ppl off, cruz would have pissed ppl off to the point to motivate them to vote hilllary

a pile of guac

Rubio did take over yes but couldnt handle the pressure
I dont think in anyway the GOP wins without Trump
Everyone else would have tried to keep it respectfully when thats retarded when fighting a monster
Maybe Cruz would hit her hard but his problem is instead of a simple
>You'd be in jail
He would turn it into a two minute Shakespearean dialogue about George Washington and tell a lame joke at the end

Rubio vs Clinton, Rubio probably wins.

The biggest question is whether Sanders would've given up after Super Tuesday if he thought Rubio (who liberals were scared of) would win the nomination. A big part of Trump's win is that the Democrats assumed he'd lose and fought among themselves for control.