So I recently finished watching a 6 hour documentary on the Spanish civil war. I had only ever heard of it in passing before and never bothered to learn the details.
I was really surprised to learn just how ideological it was, with diehards from the most extreme ends of each political axis involved, representing pretty much ever major ideology of the 20th century. And all packed into such a geographically dense space.
Anyway, obviously these people had to go back to living with one another after the war, so I was wondering, are there still traces of divisions still in modern-day Spain, conspicuous or otherwise? Do Spaniards have an opinion about the war that was maybe passed down through one or two generations? Does it at all play into modern politics, or is it just water under the bridge now?
I guess I'm curious because grandparents are Spanish, they were children at the time. I've been thinking about asking them myself, but their English is poor, and I'm anxious that I might strike a nerve. I think they lost family in the war.
I was wondering myself about the Spanish civil war recently after playing Hearts of Iron IV. The only thing I know about the legacy of that war is that Barcelona are left wing republican and I think Castile and Madrid leans right and have more monarchist/traditional views. Maybe an Espanon can explain more...
Jaxson Turner
Bump. A lot of international involvement too.
Jason Barnes
That's interesting. I think when the war broke out Madrid was Republican, not 100% sure, but I guess being the capital it's bound to have a lot of the wealthy more conservative class too.
Luke Ortiz
can you give details on the war? this is probably the biggest gap in my 20th-century knowledge.
apparently spain was a dictatorship until the 1980s? was not the western world trading with them and travelling unrestricted to spain n sheeit?
James Martinez
I've always been interested in the Spanish civil war. I've tried learning about it but I haven't found any good sources. Anyway, can anyone give me any good sources to read up on the war (online or book, idc) Also can any pedros redpill me on the ETA conflict
Oliver White
I believe the west initally wanted to remove Franco but because of the cold war and Franco's anti-communism, NATO found him useful
Benjamin Phillips
The political views, now and then was:
Inner spain,right side.
Coastal regions, leftside, except murcia and valencia.
Samuel Cruz
Well anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but the tl;dr is that a couple years after Spain sent it's king into exile and abandoned monarchy there were two coups - the first failed, and the second became the civil war.
Fascists, traditionalists and monarchists made up the Nationalist faction, and liberals, socialists, communists, and anarchists made up the Republican fraction. The Nationalists won, probably for a few reasons; the army was mostly with them, they had more international support (Germany and Italy), and the Republicans squabbled, and even came to blows with one another in a few short battles over ideological differences and mistrust/lack of confidence in leadership.
Are the right wing regions less pozzed than the left wing ones? Less African immigrants etc?
Mason Young
>are there still traces of divisions still in modern-day Spain, conspicuous or otherwise? is it just water under the bridge now? Absolutely not, specially from the losing (left wing) side. Post civil war dictatorship is what's really present in today politics. I'ts a recurring theme to talk about the crimes of the dictatorship etc, moreso considering that the current ruler party had very strong ties with the dictatorship after Franco died and a democracy took place.
While at the start Spain got left out of plan marshall due to their ties to the nazis, in 1953 USA was allowed to have 4 military bases in Spain, thus paving the way for Spain to join the United Nations in 1955
Bentley Cox
What a shit flag
Evan Lopez
Ah, I see, that's interesting. So do does the current party try to downplay their connections with the old dictatorship or do they use it to try and appeal to people who approved of it?
Is it something generally considered as an problem for them in modern politics, or does it just depend which side you're on?
Benjamin Wilson
Redpills about ETA? They are gommies. Scum, rubbish.
Even more, the left from "pais vasco/Euskadi" that is related to ETA (ETA is from that region) is extremly liberal in the sense of the american cringy liberals.
Decades killing spanish people because muh heritage, now they are an "open society": free gives for muhhameds, arabs enrich our culture...
Christian Cook
LINK LINK LINK
At least tell us the name of the documentary.
Any other recommended videos about the topic I can watch on YouTube?
Isaac Ross
Immigrants go where the monis are, in southern Spain there's a lot of agriculture so that concentates a lot of africans. Catalonia has a fuckton of muslims and other shits, I don't know the exact reasons for that, but I don't think it has to do with the ruler party of the zone. You'll never see a right wing party here talk about anti inmigration, while they may have a tough stance on the fences in our 2 useless cities in africa, in the end both the right and the left allowed non EU inmigrants to enter the country decades ago, be it because they wanted cheap labor, or just because they wanted more darkies. The left may call the right party racist, but it is thanks to those right wing globalist fuckers that we have so many shitskins here today. Sounds correct, the national faction got much more support for the war effort than the republicans. For them is just water under the bridge, since it happened more than 40 years ago. Which in certain way makes sense, if you squabble over what happened in a dictatorship you'll never go forward as a country ever.
Brandon Allen
Why is valencia the best region in spain?
Landon Bell
This is the one I watched. I thought it was pretty good. Very thorough, not overly preachy, and it has interviews with Spaniards who were there, which is pretty cool.
Also worthy of mention, while in USA civil war you had a clear definition of north against south, here in Spain you either got conscripted to one side or the other, no matter who your family fought for, or where did you live, so you had a lot of cases of families being split because of that. Depends of your definition of best I guess.
Hunter Powell
I think we watched the same doc.
Learning about the Spanish Civil War changed the way I saw radical liberal causes. By the end I actually felt more sympathy for the Russian-backed Communists, who were tired of putting up with that Barcelona bullshit
Henry White
Sure enough!
Brandon Collins
One of the few stories I have heard about my grandparents, via my mother, was that apparently my grandmother's father was imprisoned because he happened to be visiting a town which had a majority of the opposite faction when the war broke out.
I don't know where he was, but lived in Motril. I think that was kinda near the original front. But I'm not sure which side.
Caleb Fisher
Immigration doesn't match with left/right division.
In murcia and valencia there are lot of them, because they work in agriculture. This 2 regions are based as fuck.
In galicia for example, there are few of them, but is a leftie region.
Ian Hughes
>are there still traces of divisions still in modern-day Spain, conspicuous or otherwise? Yes becouse left parties and specially extreme left parties associates right party with dictators party. >Do Spaniards have an opinion about the war that was maybe passed down through one or two generations? Yes due to the dictatorship. >Does it at all play into modern politics, or is it just water under the bridge now? Not at all, but left winged young people keeps talking about it. You have to know that we have a king that was imposed by Franco at the end and not all the people like that.
I think that the problem is that many people feel more identified with their region than with their country and this is compounded by the fact that it is a country that is relatively sparsely populated.
Zachary Fisher
Yeah. I kinda feel sorry for everyone. Spain was a rough place back then. And the war was even more brutal.
Dominic Lee
>right wing/traditionalist faction wins Spanish Civil War >Franco stays in power fast forward to 2016 >Spain does not have a single real right wing party what the fuck happened?
William White
I didn't know about the new king. I can see why that might have really dragged out the legacy of the civil war even more.
Oliver Butler
The same to USA. Since the last 40 years the population became left side.
Everything here about politics is related in some way or another to the civil war or Franco's dictatorship.
Specially the left is very, VERY abrasive about that shit, because we didn't get rid of Franco, he just died in bed and everything was made in a "smooth" way at that time, so some people are butthurt because they feel like they never get reparations for being the losing side.
We never, NEVER, get over it and I don't know when will we be prepared to left behind the fucking civil war.
Jayden Cox
my grandparents always told me war was hell, also they told me some war stories.
but at the end they always told me it was a war between families, a war between brothers, you could clearly have half your family fighting one side and half your family fighting the other side, it was pure ideological, it was absurd.
Those in power know well that they should divide and conquer the people of spain so that they cannot be a threat in the future, they know what we are capable off they know where our root remains, deep in the oceans.
Charles Davis
If your interested in the spanish civil war, Hemingway has tons of material (short stories and a novel) on the war and was actually a reporter in spain during it.Of course its mostly fictional.
