What do Italians think about Fascist Italy?

What do Italians think about Fascist Italy?

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what was the fascist movement in the Netherlands like? Do people honour the war dead who fought for the Axis? Does everyone say 'my grandad was in the resistance' like they do in France?

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>Do people honour the war dead who fought for the Axis?

No, they are considered traitors.

>Does everyone say 'my grandad was in the resistance' like they do in France?

This happens a lot.

Are you implying Meatballs have the capacity to think beyond choosing red or white sauce?

pretty sure present day italy-mussolini relations are completely different than germany-hitler relations

There was the NSB here

And this

Me in the middle

Everyone who associated with the German occupier and who was part of the National Socialist Bond (NSB) was basically shunned and shamed after the war.

Hitler cucked out NSB leader, he thought Hitler would appoint him as leader of the Netherlands but Adolf appointed some Austrian instead.

We even had our own version of the Roman Salute and instead of Sieg Heil we said Houzee

>No, they are considered traitors
Sadness.

Checked.

Mein Gott. These are some nice pictures you have there

Are you asking personal opinions or what the general public thinks?

both

Looks like the sicillian representatives.

>personally
Can't wait for the "happenings".

>general public
Mixed feelings.

While fascist political organization are technically illegal, none goes out of his way to process said organizations. I've personally met a career judge who's 100% fascist, not even pretending for career's sake not to be. Lots of fascists monuments and landmarks still stand in Italy, even important cities such as Rome. Locals often resist attempts by authorities to take them down, in fact there are active efforts to preserve them (although as part of a larger historical conservation projects, not specifically tailored for them).

Given that is not as taboo as Nazism in Germany, opinions you get from people are more honest: some openly dislike Fascism, others like it; some have mixed feelings ("was alright, but why the war?" is a typical one), others no opinion at all.

Undeniably Fascism left a mark. There's a town in central Italy, Latina, which was founded during the Fascist era after the swamp previously located there had been drained. No left wing party has ever won or will ever win that city council, period.

Pic: giant forest carved to spell DVX (=duce, title of Mussolini) on the side of a mountain still standing and being maintained today.

Checked.

Rome - potholes. makes sense-

I like this post.

>giant forest carved to spell DVX (=duce, title of Mussolini) on the side of a mountain still standing and being maintained today.
I wonder why and who pays.

It's a mixed bag.
On one hand you had
>top-notch architecture
>an attempt at culturally unite both the South and the North by giving them a common root
>an emphasis on literacy and education
>an attempt at kickstarting the economy

But on the other hand:
>blackshirts weren't the example of fascist perfection, most of them were violent dumbfucks or mafia gangsters who strongarmed everyone into submission for their personal gain, even fellow fascists
>gave too much power to the mafia, since they helped Mussolini get into power
>enforced Autarchy even though Italy didn't have enough resources to sustain itself, leading to the foreclosure of many small economic activities which were throughly fucked since the introduction of Quota 90

As for what most Italian think about Fascist Italy, I'll only tell you that yesterday a notoriously fascist page on FB livestreamed a Mussolini speech.

Good post. I can confirm.

And I forgot in the negative points:
>the extremely autistic splitting of Ministries which watered down the effective power of the government on the country

can't watch it in my country haha

>gave too much power to the mafia, since they helped Mussolini get into power

You have never heard of Cesare Mori apparently
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesare_Mori

also
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborations_between_the_United_States_government_and_Italian_Mafia

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>I wonder why
To preserve historical monuments and landmarks.

>and who pays.
Most likely the State or a private organization publicly founded.

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>the extremely autistic splitting of Ministries

This is a common problem of all the politicians of Italy, not fascism.

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According to my granps it was great at the start but as Mussolini started losing power he become less of a grand statist and more of a ruthless dictator.
By the end of his regime he was executing people in the streets and dragging kids away from their families to die in some useless war elsewhere.
It's no surprise he was hanged on a lightpole in the end, Mussolini at his best wasn't worth Mussolini at his worst.

He should have stayed away from foreign wars and focused on domestic policies

>Lost Greece
>Lost Africa
>Sent soldiers to die in Soviet winter
>Got raped by Nazis
>Got raped by Allies

Literally the biggest military embarrassment in the history of Italian states

I disagree.
Italian literacy rate was one of the lower of Europe, and in the South there were people literally starving to death, African style.
The Dvce was the only ruler in the entire history of Italy as a state who cared for the South.

Mori's fight was a good fight, but in the Wiki page you linked:
>Mori's inquiries brought evidence of collusion between the Mafia and influential members of the State apparatus and the Fascist party.
Mafia had power and influence within the Fascist state, and Mori sought to root it out but it was still one man against a whole party.

>Mafia and US
That's another can of worms, unrelated to my post. You just wanted to say "b-but the USA ruined muh fascist utopia", don't you?

I guess it's subjective, personally I would never want to live in a fascist Italy despite all the "positives".

There is a saying in Italy:

"We didn't kill Mussolini because he was a fascist, we've killed him because he was losing and lost the war."

Pic related. Imagine this in Germany.

When I was in Italy I saw nationalist fascist graffiti everywhere even in left leaning cities like Bologna

There is a lot of wisdom in those words. That is how it always has been, and always will be. The masses care in the end only of the results, not the ideas.

Like american niggers would never want to live as cotton slaves, but enjoy all the benefits of being born in USA.
The fact is, fascism put Italy on the track for being one of the top country of the world, without it, we will be a shithole like Albania, just bigger.

Pic related is taking form a documentary about Berlsconi (My Way, on Netflix).
During a tour around his house it is shown that Berlusconi has a painting of Mussolini

forgot pic

How is this not interesting?

Everyone know that Lombards still have it hard for fascism which is not really surprising, the only country that really endured "political cleasing" (and is still endure it) was Germany.

Even in France, despite being the beacon of european jewry and experiencing fascism under the humiliation of defeat, you still find Pétain lovers.

>Lots of fascists monuments and landmarks still stand in Italy

this really interests me. That forest is amazing, really shows the artistic roots of Italian fascism. Could you post more examples of surviving monuments?

Berlusconi was Member #1816 of a masonic lodge named P2, led by Licio Gelli during the 70s; Gelli sought to restore Italy to a malevolent fascist regime, the kind that Orwell had nightmares about and stressed the importance of controlling the flow of media to achieve victory.
Nearing his death, Gelli said that of all members of his lodge, Berlusconi was the only one who made his dream come true.

After knowing this, Big B having a portrait of Bennie in his home doesn't sound as farfetched or shocking as you would think.