Relationship between guns and Christians

If Christianity is all about thou shall not kill and turning the other cheek and shit, why are most god fearing Christians gun enthusiasts?

Genuinely curious.

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Because the religious right has no concept of ideological consistency and doesn't give two shits about walking in the path of Christ.

Or because guns are cool, idk.

Thou shalt not murder is the more accurate translation.

IS it? A life is a life, you can't say it's only half.

>Thou shalt not kill
Bad translation, should say not murder
>Turning the other cheek
Long story short, this is about rejecting the idea that people are better than pne another based on class, wealth, etc. It's saying to only accept others treating you as an equal, has nothing to do with submitting to abuse
Also the bible is full of references not only to God's chosen people both conquering and defending, and commands to defend yourself with weaponry
>doesn't give two shits about walking in the path of Christ
When the money changers were engaging in their greed and trickery within the temple, Jesus made a bullwhip and chased their twink asses out. Owning weapons and using them in a righteous way in no way goes against the path of Christ

>IS it?
Yes
>A life is a life, you can't say it's only half.
Of course it's still a life.
At least until it dies.

Gay

Let he, who is without sin cast the first stone.

Because you have to pick Democrats or Republicans. That's the side the Christians got stuck with.

Actually, it's "thou shalt not murder"

There's literally nothing about killing.

Do unto others, as they would do to you.

Luke 22:36 "And He gathered His disciples around Him and said unto them,'guns are cool; he who doth know his gun doth know me."

Except he told that whore to fuck the hell off with her sin and come to god after he saved her life. He didnt justify her sin, or say "LOL ITS OK TO SIN SINCE LIKE EVERYONE DOES IT RITE?"

again read what user said

Christ called the pharisees vipers
Matthew 23:33
Whipped merchants out of the temple
John 2:13-17
Told his disciples to sell their cloaks and buy a sword
Luke 22:36

Jesus was not the pot smoking peace and love hippie that you degenerates make him out to be.

I want to know who made the meme of
>JAWSUS 3;16 LIKE DONT JUDGE OK GUIS?

But do it first!

>again read what user said
Make me hippie!

at the risk of a no true scotsman fallacy, it's probably because they're christian in name only. or they have some severely strange interpretation of scripture that supports a preservation of life.

a gun-toting christian is going to have the same intentions as any other person with a gun

Because Jebus was alive in Roman occupied Judea and he advocated paying taxes toward furthering the Roman Emperor’s military-industrial-complex and campaign of conquest over all of europe and asia

>or they have some severely strange interpretation of scripture that supports a preservation of life.

Explain how you think preserving your own life is unchristian

Amuse me

Ya see goy, preserving your own life isn't very tolerant for poor brown people.

What a well thought out argument

Does anyone have that screencap where an user pretty much beeaks down the whole "Nice Jesus" concept?

Don't judge was Matthew 7:1-3

>thou shall not kill

"Though shalt not murder" is a more accurate translation of the surviving texts. Both the new and old testaments frequently justify the use of lethal force in various scenarios.

>turning the other cheek

This is one of the most misinterpreted quips in world history. In ye olden days being slapped backhand was incredibly disrespectful, whereas a forehand slap wasn't quite as severe. By "turning the other cheek" (presenting your face at a different angle) you are forcing the person to show you slightly more respect than immediately prior. It's a subtlety lost on modern man. It should not in any way be interpreted as God demanding that you be a submissive bitch to someone aggressing on you.

Don't let anyone tell you that Christianity is a passive, pacifistic religion.

youtube.com/watch?v=HXlrqM1N9No

Unlike Judaism and Islam Christianity decided to go more covert.

The twelve apostles especially follow this train of though by splitting up and creating clandestine churches. This is why pride frowned upon in the west. Showing who you are can get you killed. Especially when the the whole roman army and Jewish community is out to get you.

Its only when Christianity met paganism did this change. Even its still in upper limits of violence is when it is forgivable to kill.

Its better than the other two choices whole literally say goyim or infidel are less than dogs and can be killed.

Either way it says something when right of the bat, cock gargling UP, implies guns = violence.

If anything this fag needs to worry about himself

>you view the world as you view yourself

It's purely in the context of judging someone as an individual and their salvation.

You're supposed to rebuke peoples sinful behavior and judge righteously and correct people

John 7:24
James 5:20
Romans 10:6

You would literally have no progress just letting people be degenerate horse fuckers.

technically exodus 20, 15: 'ου φονευσεισ' is often translated 'shall not kill'. but φονεύω can mean either to kill , or to murder (intentionally).

>it's a liberal acts ignorant while calling others ignorant episode

This

>Told his disciples to sell their cloaks and buy a sword
Luke 22:36

So he could be charged as a leader of a rebellion and die in the cross...because that was his whole deal.

You didn't read the next verse did you?

If you die, it just means you got to heaven faster retard.

I voted for Trump actually.

I just never gave a damn about religion to find out.

Matthew 10:34
I come not to bring peace but a sword

They were going to charge him anyway, and this was his intention to begin with. It is not disingenuous, but if you honestly think that Christians are to be these nice docile little flowers, you're mistaken.

Psalms 144

And if you die without working for the glory of god you die for less than nothing.

Retard.

What kind of gun would Jesus carry?

>Atheists trying to tell christians what the bible means based on a couple of verses they read from r/atheism

>die without working for the glory of god
Stop right there.

Why is this an issue? You get eternal paradise without the hassle.

In fact, the world would be better off not knowing about god anyway because it's a free ticket to heaven.

>Muh morals
>muh wasted life
a possible 80 years on earth is NOTHING to an eternity in paradise.

Get fucked fag.

>are
That's the problem. You could behead a Mosque full of heathen Muslims. It won't charge the fact that the vast majority ARE peaceful docile weaklings who leave it all up to God.

>Current year
>still believing in bullshit

Checkmate conservitards

Flame thrower.

Because there is literally nothing wrong with owning weapons and using them for defense of life, property, and freedom. Does not contradict anything in any religion whatsoever.

>Stop right there.
>Why is this an issue? You get eternal paradise without the hassle.
>In fact, the world would be better off not knowing about god anyway because it's a free ticket to heaven.

>better off not knowing god
2nd Thessalonians 2:8

Man youre trying really hard to rebuke god arent you?
Why does the mention of his name make you upset? what actually troubles you?

>>Muh morals
>>muh wasted life
>a possible 80 years on earth is NOTHING to an eternity in paradise.

While this is true, I doubt you are even attempting to see the main point.

>Get fucked fag.
I'll pray for you.

That's... Actually quite fitting.

>It won't charge the fact that the vast majority ARE peaceful docile weaklings who leave it all up to God.
yeah....

>current year
>believing in nothing

I bet youre one of those faggots that is actually satisfied with a minimum wage job, a waifu pillow and no other human contact.

What a waste of life it must be, having no higher purpose other than to die with nothing.

>Long story short, this is about rejecting the idea that people are better than pne another based on class, wealth, etc
No, it's not. That is a retarded anachronistic justification for violence. The passage is crystal clear:

38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

>But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
>And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
>And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
>Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

It is obviously talking about nonviolence and passive acceptance.

>What a waste of life it must be, having no higher purpose
>if you don't believe in my magical sky wizard, you must believe in nothing and your life must be awful!
Are you sure you truly believe? Because it doesn't sound like it, with how hard you're projecting.

religious people are inherently stupid

killing a killer is still ending a life. if you're following the J man, all life is sacred so double-tapping Tyrone runs contrary to His teachings of forgiving tresspassers and all that jazz.
Keep in mind, if Tyrone breaks into my place, my only god is the /k/ube and he made his choice

>I'll pray for you.
I thought we weren't supposed to boast about praying/pray in public.

>rebuke god
Where am I saying god isn't real?

I'm not mad at god or anyone so stop playing the holier than thou card.

I merely stated how easy it would be to get into heaven if ignorance gets a free pass.

>B-but it's better to know god
Cool
>While this is true
Glad you see the fundamental flaw in your religion
>I'll pray for you.
You and the rest of the world

>believing in nothing
That's Nihilism retard
>I bet youre one of those faggots that is actually satisfied with a minimum wage job, a waifu pillow and no other human contact.
Identity politics? Really? Liberal tactics?
Push what you think I am onto me to make yourself feel better?

Pathetic.

I truly believe, but I also truly you are living in hell and dont truly know it.

The black pill is a hollow place once you realize how really bad off the entire world is and how far we have fallen in convenient decadence.

>how hard youre projecting
is that all you really have to say back? Sky wizard and projecting? Do you have a real argument to make or do you really even stand for anything at all? Do you just exist?

>REAL argument
>I bet youre one of those faggots that is actually satisfied with a minimum wage job, a waifu pillow and no other human contact

This is a srs debate fags.

Spoken like a true imbecile. You've never even read the bible.

And I thought you werent supposed to put any gods before god, but I guess you fucked that one up huh bud?

You sure seem like a hate and spite filled person desu

>Do you have a real argument
You're the one claiming your ridiculous bronze-age superstitions are real, and you have the nerve to ask others for arguments? Put forward some yourself, and then we'll talk.

I'm not religious and I think you're stupid

>OP asks mildly ignorant post
>Thread degenerates into cockfight between Christcucks and Neckbeards
GEE didn't see that coming!

believe what you want, it doesn't change anything

>I'm not mad at god or anyone so stop playing the holier than thou card.
Never said it, never played it, but if someones faith intimidates you that much maybe you need to re-evaluate yourself or go binge watch the amazing banana to make you feel better.

>I merely stated how easy it would be to get into heaven if ignorance gets a free pass.
very few people in the 1st world are ignorant to them, nor would they have the faith to purposefully kill themselves in order to specifically go to heaven, a heaven they are ignorant of existing.

Unless that isnt your argument, because if it is its incredible stupid.

>Glad you see the fundamental flaw in your religion
Killing yourself doesnt get you to heaven, I merely said that 80 years =/= paradise

>Identity politics? Really? Liberal tactics?
>Push what you think I am onto me to make yourself feel better?
>P-pathetic
Im sorry I called you out, I'll call tumblr to let them know in advance I hurt your fee fees

If its not the case then you would have said so, not got defensive as a 14 year old getting his porn collection called out.

It's not even that
It's christfags and some schizophrenic Christian who thinks Christianity denounces peace and love

Underrated post

That was said because according to the Hebraic law, you had to kill both the adulterer and adulteress together. The adulterer was possibly with the executioners. Oh, btw, that passage is not in the original manuscript.

If that's boasting, then Hillary Clinton is the world expert of server security.

>if ignorance gets a free pass.
It doesn't.
>Glad you see the fundamental flaw in your religion
That's a flaw?

>Put forward some yourself, and then we'll talk.
Why the hell should we waste our time when the debate is dead on arrival.

>You're the one claiming your ridiculous bronze-age superstitions are real
Jeez, that sure sounds like a open minded, clear thinking person. Clearly, you are the most reasonable of men.

I was raised to believe that this passage is not about non-violence, but that it was about giving to others who you can see truly need it.
If a man be so petty and so needy to add sue you for your coat clearly he is more needing of it than you and who are you a child of God and someone who follows the path to be better than him or anything but if he'd be worse than you would it not be your place to help him?

Because you are ignorant of it and assume we are prohibited from self defense. Also post reeks of ignorance.

>even more identity politics
Of course you'd have tumblr on speed dial, you sound just like them.
Never change Christcuck

>And I thought you werent supposed to put any gods before god, but I guess you fucked that one up huh bud?
No, sorry, but it was an honest question. Also, you seem to think I'm someone else.

I still want to address what you said. Does that mean we can worship other gods as long as we worship Jesus foremost?

Quite the opposite, I hate the actions of men but love them as people because they are all children of god.

ex. I have hate and spite for the act of sodomy not the sodomite

>You're the one claiming your ridiculous bronze-age superstitions are real
How cute, come back when youre not so grumpy, try drinking tea, high blood pressure is bad for you user.

>Of course you'd have tumblr on speed dial,
That projection

>christcuck
>coming from someone who enables actual cuckolds

hmmm....

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Gotcha sempai

>I still want to address what you said. Does that mean we can worship other gods as long as we worship Jesus foremost?

If its an honest question.

Matthew 6:24 No one can serve two masters

Oh please user, it was but your mouth that spoke of it, not I.
Birds of a feather flock together.
Your wife loves God more than you.

Who's the real cuck user?

I'm pretty sure Aquinas's logic is still as valid today as it was back then.

>open minded, clear thinking person.
How open minded are you to Islam? To Buddhism? To Zoroastrianism? To Neopaganism? To Hinduism? You don't exactly have the high ground here m8.

>most reasonable of men
When someone proposes, without any evidence but ancient writings, that a jewish holy man was able to violate known laws of physics left and right, I take that to be a pretty extraordinary claim. Such a claim requires extraordinary evidence, so forgive me for having a high fucking standard when it comes to this kind of thing.

And the part about rejecting "an eye for an eye" and instead turning the other cheek? The interpretation posted is absolutely retarded, because it completely ignores the bit about Hammurabic law being bad.

Get these numale, lukewarm, neverbeenrighteouslyangry people out of my sight;

>Your wife loves God more than you.
>Who's the real cuck user?
Since I love god the same and it is the love associated with worship and not mortal flesh?

No one.

Leave it to a pagan to equivocate all love to sex.

>Aquinas's """proofs"""
>logic
Pick one and only one.

It's not about sex user.

If your wife was asked to leave you in the name of god, she'd do it.

I'm speaking in the metaphorical sense. christ[spoiler]cuck[/spoiler]

Jesus trips confirm

There's a reason early christians martyred themselves like crazy, it's the whole concept of "revolutionary subordination"

Not that guy but if cuck is your only argument than you just look like a retard,also marriage is an instituition blessed by God,so he will not ask a wife to leave her husband, monogamy is important theologically speaking

>If your wife was asked to leave you in the name of god, she'd do it.
>I'm speaking in the metaphorical sense.

>cuck

Is that the numale word for something you dont like but cant bring a valid reason to the table?

That ended pretty quick, since subsequent Christians realized that universal martyrdom would be a great way to make the religion go extinct. So they satisfied themselves by paying homage to the martyrs but largely avoiding pacifism, which led to the modern equivocation of Christians who support self-defense (and even offense) while claiming to follow Jesus' teachings.

It's understandable, since Jesus-style pacifism is retarded and unsustainable. It's just that the historical and theological revisionism of modern-day Christians is pathetic. The fundamental assumption is that anything Jesus was reported to have said was perfect and deliberate, so they'll go through as much mental gymnastics as possible to make it so that Jesus was saying things in line with their own particular ideals.

> it was but your mouth that spoke of it
I'm not that user, user.

Damn, why are you projecting so hard?

I never said I was open minded myself, and I don't pretend to be.

>Such a claim requires extraordinary evidence
Why? Who said? How do you know this is the right standard?

>because it completely ignores the bit about Hammurabic law being bad.
No where in that passage does Jesus say that law was bad.

>That failed spoiler
>Fedora tipper can't even lurk more.

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Jesus was not an advocate of nonviolence. He never said a word about it. In fact, we have him on record behaving violently -- in all four gospels. While he often avoided violence, this does not mean he taught an ethic of non-violence.

If we are going to set the record straight, we need to look at those parts of the gospels that are used to support the non-violence claim, as well as those that refute it.

Jesus taught, "If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also" (Matthew 5:39). However, the word used here is the Greek ῥαπíζω (hrapizo), which refers here to an open hand strike. Jesus is saying, "If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to him the other." This is not about self-defense at all; a slap in the face is an assault on your honor. Jesus was prohibiting escalation, not a response to a violent assault.

>tl;dr read the bible. It's packed from cover to cover with hardcore men of god who slayed their enemies without mercy or remorse. In fact, nearly every man featured in the bible was literally a soldier, a warlord, a tactician, or a murderer.

Alright but if their only argument is
>Neckbeard
>Fedora
>virgin
Then they are literally not holier than thou

>cuck
>numale word
>word re-purposed to specifically insult numales
user at least TRY

>so they'll go through as much mental gymnastics as possible to make it so that Jesus was saying things in line with their own particular ideals.

Matthew 10:34 "I come not to bring peace but a sword"

What kind of mental gymnastics is that then?

I don't even know how it failed.

[spoiler]I even used the ctrl+s shortcut and everything.[/spoiler]

Not an argument

The lord has blessed thee with holy quads.

Spoilers aren't enabled on /k/.

Okay, I give up. Good night /k/Fuck this board.

It's not a proof in the way you probably expect a proof. Nothing is really proven when we get down to it. Even believing our sensory experience requires a leap of faith in logical terms. Anyway, Aquinas was correct. Deal with it.

>I never said I was open minded myself, and I don't pretend to be.
So why on earth did you take it upon yourself to cast the first stone?

>how do you know this is the right standard?
Because any lesser standard will require you to believe anything anyone claims, on merit of them merely claiming it. You obviously don't do this, so I don't see why you expect anyone else to.

>No where in that passage does Jesus say that law was bad.
>Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
>But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also
>that ye resist not evil
How can you be a Christian if you don't even bother to read the Bible?

Christain here. You guys are all missing one thing

>"If you do not have a pair of sandals, sell your donkey to buy a pair of sandals. If you do now have a sword, sell the tunic off your back and buy a sword"
Or something like that

2 cheeks is enough. After that, im fucking you up.

Havnt you ever heard of the expression "fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice shame on you, fool me thrice, im going to kick you ass"? Same concept.

dem quads

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youtube.com/watch?v=7CI7ePvs9ao

Reminder that Christ not only condoned violence against evil, but COMMANDS you to drive the wicked from this world by any means necessary.

The book is full of contradictions and none of them have read it anyway

Then there shall be no mercy for the wicked.