Can you guys explain anarcho syndicalism to me?

can you guys explain anarcho syndicalism to me?
like how is this supposed to work?

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All these anarchy variations will not work in reality.

i realise that but how is it SUPPOSED to work

The workers collectively own the machinery and the building and make decisions democratically. In some models this means voting on what executives/management to hire, in other models it is entirely direct democracy.

If you want to see real world examples look at worker-owned cooperatives. Mondragon is certainly no failure.

that sounds rather inefficient. not to mention easily corruptible considering how easy it is to sway public opinions

Best real world example is the CNT-FAI in Revolutionary Spain (Catalonia, circa 1930-36, technically 39 when the war was lost but not really).
A conglomeration of Anarchist, Communist, and Syndicalist Trade and labor unions in Spain. They collectivized land in the country, distributed it to people and started creating collective farming communes, created a large bureacracy to manage co-ops (LOL Anarchy), and distributed factory operation to direct democracy-based workers' cooperatives.

Research Mondragon and other worker owned cooperatives. Some have been very successful.

Worker cooperatives tend to prioritize their own interests instead of firing everyone, selling off the assets, and hiring a bunch of 3rd world children, but when the management structure changes, so do people's priorities.

In other words, it's a terrible model if you're a globalist.

You should look more into cooperatives or other methods of business organization. Being a cooperative doesn't mean that you just have no hierarchy whatsoever. In fact, a lot of businesses, even if not full on co-ops, take many traits from them, like Southwest, with surplus wage sharing.

Problem is how do stay that way when the outside world influence you heavily? Noone of the ruling ideologies we have today would want that so it wouldn't be possible to create anything long term.

Never said about it being possible or good or anything, I just said it was the best/only real world example of it.
If you want my actual opinion, I think that the CNT-FAI was disgusting/disgraceful for the fact that they burned down many Christian churches, promoted degeneracy, and killed lots of innocent priests and nationalists/monarchists.

Indeed, the Anarcho-Syndicalist revolutionaries of Spain were defeated militarily by the Bolsheviks and the fascists.

yup, that's what happened in the us.
The IWW and other syndicalist unions were crushed by the combination of big business and govt.

>how is this supposed to work?
It doesn't.

It's also a terrible if you like economic growth, or want to work a decent job without putting your live savings on the line to a company that might go broke.

Really, syndicates make no sense whatsoever in terms of portfolio theory and spreading the risk

mondragon changed their business model
now there is heirarchy and pay scales
pretty capitalist breh

Both of you seem to assume there is only one model for cooperatives and that modern day examples are actually anarcho-syndicalist. There are many different layouts for worker-owned cooperatives in the world. Moreover, pure anarcho-syndicalism means no capitalism and no state. That is the meaning of the red and black.

Yes but that is all irrelevant if it is done a mass scale or replaces a government. Economic prosperity is a made up benchmark of capitalism that assumes that the success of a country is based off of GDP and money. But if a country complies to such a system, money and economics are irrelevant if trade is done on the basis of mutual benefit. Sure maybe you won't have augmented reality porn machines because there is no competition to create better and niche products, but I think that's pretty irrelevant to what makes a nation successful. I personally value happiness and job security far higher.

So in other words the movement had nothing defined when it came to morality and ethics?
It's not hard to see that it's something to be feared by the elites many people would probably prefer that over oligarchy which most countries have now in the western world.

I dunno, they probably defined their own ethics. However, since they were radical internationalist Leftist Socialists they and their ethics were wrong and retarded.

>how is this supposed to work?
It doesn't. It's just a dream about a global hugbox.
At least it's not (((marxism))).

This dude gets it

>If you want to see real world examples look at worker-owned cooperatives. Mondragon is certainly no failure.

And they are certainly everywhere. For example, I get nearly everything I eat at a food cooperative, aka "the co-op".

>that sounds rather inefficient. not to mention easily corruptible considering how easy it is to sway public opinions

It may or may not be efficient- as a major chain food store. But on the ground it is different. For example, I never wait long in line.

As for corruptible, the 6-person council holds annual elections, must come to a consensus, and something like less than 10% of customers vote. So how could someone "easily sway" it? And a self-serving agenda would go nowhere.

What happens is they make the community much better skilled, throwing free classes, expanding the profits into more locations and mechandise.

Oh, and the majority of the people working there are making nothing aka volunteering, just for a discount on merch.

Yes, this dungeon hell of communism does things to me... like lets me order in bulk quantities (and bulk discount) nearly anything from an expansive list of items.

It carries the absolute freshest produce, dairy, free range meat from the absolute best local producers...

Its been a living hell, being tortured by these anarchist liberal communists...

Yup, after the great depression, syndicalists were so powerful they forced FDR to create the New Deal

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nice speech about worker coops

>many people would probably prefer that over oligarchy which most countries have now

I am convinced this would be the case if everyone was informed. Unfortunately it's not in the cards. Most people I see are still fooled by all the political illusions and divide-and-conquer techniques employed by the Deep State.

Even most anarchist theory itself does not address the enormity of black projects, hidden technologies, and breakaway paramilitary groups in play today.

Methinks soon there will be armies of the unemployed that would absolutely beg for a massive works program.

unemployed engineers = building shit
unemployed scientists = labbing it up
unemployed artists = painting, photo, writing
unemployed fast food = making fast food
unemployed lawyers = changing careers

>There are many different layouts for worker-owned cooperatives in the world.
Like? The thing that makes them risky is fundamental to the concept of a worker co-op. Every model will have it.

No, it becomes even worse if done on a large scale.

>you guys measure it in money, we want to abolish money
Money is just a way of measuring the total value of everything that's produced. You could measure the GDP in chicken eggs if you wanted.
The point is it approximates how much money everyone is earning.
You want people to earn less money and be poor.

>the only effect market competition has on human development is fringe consumer goods

laff

There is such a tremendous amount of work to be done on this country's shitty infrastructure that updating/rebuilding it all would be an unprecedented boon for the working class. No question.

The trouble is nobody wants to spend the money. Too many trillions 'disappearing' from the DoD budget, sorry, that bridge will just have to wait.

You have to be under the age of 25
Work at Mcdonalds or Wal Mart
or do shitty factory work
Also you have to be a high school drop out.
This picture pretty much sums it up.