Who owns the moon? Why have we not gone back there since 1972? Can it be made habitable?

Who owns the moon? Why have we not gone back there since 1972? Can it be made habitable?

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A lot of people or nobody, lots were sold under a loophole in the un rules governing the moon. It's not economically viable currently. Most likely yes.

We haven't gone back there because we discovered we don't own it.

No one owns it, there's a treaty (which admittedly very few countries ever signed) stating that no one is allowed to own any part of non Earth celestial objects.
Not gone back because there's fuck-all up there. Lot of iron I guess, but that's hardly in short supply on Earth.
Couldn't be made habitable across its entire surface, no. It has 1/4 of the gravity Earth has, it could never sustain an atmosphere. You could build some sort of base up there but it needs to be really resistant to radiation and meteors.

There's nothing there except dirt and rock.
Not really the most hospitable place to live but sure maybe in a few decades when technology advances a little further.

America owns it, they planted their flag on it.
They've gone back several times, they just don't advertise it.
Bases have been operational for years.

You think that's nuts? I think not thinking that is nuts.

What about the large amounts of H3? Would that not be enough incentive for some sort of mining operation?

no one

no one to race against

possibly, at least to the point you could have permanent residents.

the moons boring and stupid anyway we don't want to go back there

Lots of deuterium on the moon, which is what we'll need for fusion in 30 years or so

You could build some sort of base up there but it needs to be really resistant to radiation and meteors.

Or anywhere under the surface, plenty of water there too.

You really don't want to be a permanent resident on the moon. Low gravity completely fucks the human body.

The moon has 1/6th Earth gravity. Mars has 1/3.
Also interesting, Mars has almost the exact same amount of surface area as Earth has dry land.

this

>water on the moon
[citation needed]

It's a natural space station and staging area where we can gather materials and then launch ships that are too massive to achieve orbit from earth.

The moon is made of titanium and fusion fuel.

There is ice there.

There's some ice at the poles, in areas that are in permanent shadow.

>Who owns the moon
Nobody, as per the Outer Space treaty
>Why have we not gone back there since 1972
Because there's no real point in sending people there, we have enough moon rocks and robots are cheaper to send
>Can it be made habitable
Yes actually, but it would be an massive engineering and financial challenge (but less so than Mars) and the atmosphere would have to be replenished every so often. The gravity will probably fuck your shit up though.

The moon is subject to some very close examination. Any significant bases on the earthside would be visible telescopically from Earth, and anything small or on the far side would have shown up in the various lunar mapping probes in the last few decades. Some of which were neither US nor European and would have reasons to publish any such finds.

We own the moon. There is a lunar base on the far side of the moon. That's the part we cannot view due to the tidal locking of the system.

Moon is American clay, now and forever. Ayy Lmao's can go get fucked.

first into space owns space.

Antartica confirmed Norwegger

Ayylmaos. Something scared them into never returning. Also, the moon is hollow.

>It's a natural space station and staging area
This.
It's also possible and reasonably practical to build a lunar space elevator using current materials.

>all these tards that think amerifats own the moon

we never went in the first place

van allen belts

>lunar space elevator
I am confused on how this would work. Both the earth and the moon spin.

American Education everyone..... How did we ever onto the moon in the first place with this level of retardery.

I think they mean from moon surface to moon orbit, not between the earth and moon

Not a space elevator from Earth to the moon, but from the moon's surface to the moons lunar-stationary orbit (which is just earthside of the L1 point).
The stresses involved are way lower than with an earth space elevator so you can build without needing imaginary super-materials.

Mars is also a decent candidate thanks to the lower gravity.

The Van Allen belts are toroidal, Apollo missions flew on an inclined trajectory which allowed them to go around the most intense areas of the belts. The outer portions they passed through quickly enough for it not to be an issue.

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the moon is in tidal lock with earth actually so the moon doesn't spin at all, it orbits the earth with the same side facing it.
the more you know!

I think you mean helium-3. Deuterium is plentiful on Earth.

>Muh radiation
What is lead?

Luna belongs to the US. We will have a colony there within the next 8 years under NASA Administrator Gingrich.

If we can get reusable rockets and/or SSTO spaceplanes working, we can skip lunar bases and space elevators and just go straight to orbital shipyards.

Heavy

It does spin - it spins one complete revolution per orbit.
From here on earth though it *looks* like there's no spin as a result.

>go straight to orbital shipyards.

Presents the problem of dust and debris in orbit (as well as the physical challenge of from scratch in orbit construction). This is not a problem on the moon as debris falls to the ground (if slowly), and workers are able to work in an earth like environment, i.e one with gravity, so their earth-learned skills are more directly applicable.

Why don't we put an automated stock exchange on the moon? No one owns it so no taxes

>who owns the moon?
whoever can keep it. whoever can kick the faces of the other fuckers trying to knock him off the hill.

people can claim or disclaim anything they want. if they can't defend it, its not theirs.

anything else (e.g. treaties/cooperation) is illusion

This user gets it.

We should be colonizing the Moon before we send people to Mars.

Anything you build on the moon has to be underground, otherwise radiation and meteorites are going to fuck your shit up.

There are fuck huge lava tube caves on the surface though.

A stock exchange would require a governing regulatory framework, which would be tied to a state...

America owns the moon, b/c we got there first.

All US entities have to pay taxes to the Treasury, no matter the location.

That applies to people too, unless they reside in a country that has specifically negotiated a tax treaty with the US.

A Chilean owns the moon

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenaro_Gajardo_Vera

>In September 25, 1954, before the notary of Talca César Jiménez Fuenzalida, Gajardo requested to leave record of his statement as owner of the Moon "since before of 1857" —legal formula used back then to get ownership of lands without existing title deeds—,[2] by registering a deed:

JENARO GAJARDO VERA, lawyer, poet, is the owner since before year 1857, joining to his possessions the one of his ancestors the celestial body, only satellite of the Earth, with a diameter of 3,475.99 kilometers, under the name of Moon, whose boundaries are, due to being an spheroidal body: North, South, East and West: outer space. He lives in Calle 1 Oriente 1270 and his filing status is married. Talca.
—(Signature)

Jenaro Gajardo Vera
RUN 1.487.45-K Ñuñoa
Talca, September 25, 1954.

Following Chilean laws, he published three announcements on the Official Diary of Chile —requirement adopted in Chile to let anyone possessing any right on the grounds to have the opportunity to appeal—[1] paying CL$42,000 of the time. Since the request was endorsed, he proceeded to inscribe the property in the Real Estate of Talca

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This would only be valid under Chilean law, and as Chile signed & ratified the Outer Space Treaty (which declares the moon no one's property), that's been voided.

Sorry, the Moon Treaty declares the moon explicitly no one's property, and that was also signed and ratified by Chile

WILL BE ANNEXED BY HELICOPTERS THEN

And the He3 in the lunar regolith isn't even ore grade as far as concentration. Between the moon dust being abrasive as fuck, and having to turn over miles upon miles of lunar rock to get any usable about of He3, there's no point.

Yeah the composition of the moon means anything actually valuable and in useful quantities will be mostly deep down, near the core.
The entire thing is mostly a silicon splash from the surface of the earth, without an active core to bring heavier stuff up to the surface you won't get much out of the Moon without breaking it up.

Still, great low-g staging point, and heaps of solar available :)

>who owns
UN
>why don't we got back
Not much there
>can it be made habitable
Yes, expensive though also why

Just wait until some serious countries start claiming planets and kickstart the Celestial War.

The ayys won't let us

I think that's obvious.

So anons you can only pick one:

Mars Colony
Lunar Base
Space satellite Colony
Earthnoid

Mars.
More useful/available minerals, safer from any accidents that may befall Earth, more potential for eventual self-sufficiency, day length closer to Earth (and year length almost exactly 2x Earth's), better gravity, still close enough to Earth to make the early years sustainable...

It's a no brainer really

Earth=human holy land
But Mars would be pretty cool.

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The true space race has yet to begin!

>Any significant bases on the earthside would be visible telescopically from Earth

Maybe if they were on the surface they would.

It's bad for muscle tone and bone density, but it's great for people with heart disease. In the future your cardiologist might send you into orbit for a couple weeks after heart surgery.

>Earth=human holy land
You say that in light of all the shit thats going on in Europe with all the Hajis ? Fuck that I'd gladly live and die on Mars. Fuck this shit tier rock.

It takes time to build an underground base, it would still be noticed.

> In the future your cardiologist might send you into orbit for a couple weeks after heart surgery.
The stress of getting to orbit is significantly less good for people who've recently had heart surgery.

Can't wait to see the forced diversity for space exploration/ planet colonization
>Sorry we are currently not accepting applications for white males at this time

I read about this in popular science in the early 90s, oldfags unite! Fuck I wish I had some land on the moon.

With Japan building a space elevator, maybe they'll be the 2nd ones to land on it.

Sure would be interesting if the galaxy went all animu because of Japan

the Germans were technically the first into space though, through a rocket misfire during a test, look it up.

I don't think you'd want Eurabia laying claim to space, now do you?

Without any sort of govermental authority on the moon, your claim of ownership is hardly considered enforceable and thus, anyone who can enforce their authority on the moon will be able to grab it.

First MAN in space. Junk does not count

We can't leave the earth, because of the firmament.

There is no moon

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