Homosexuality is genetic

One thing I've never understood about Sup Forums is it's belief that homosexuality is influenced by environmental factors. What, so if I see two people being gay will I turn gay? Can someone please explain this backward thinking to me?

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A sane vegan diet can cure homosexuality.

Children who are sexually abused often wind up gay

Homosexuality is epigenetic and heavily dependent upon environmental events.

I'm a vegan and I am homosexual.

I wasn't sexually abused as child. Anything else?

Where's the gay gene? Oh there is none. It's conditioned.

>Anything else?

Have you tried with homeopathy?

Depends on many factors.

If you liked dudes since you were 12 with no sexual contact whatsover, you were born with it.

If you were coorced, had sexual relations with males after you felt attraction to girls, fapped to gay pornography, etc. It was probably environmental.
I personally think being 100% gay is no choice while bisexuality is either by choice or by environmental factors.

Unlike what stereotypes lead you to believe, Sup Forums is actually a politically diverse board.

I have had two gay friends and from my experience it's all psychological. One of them was raised by a shitty father who would cheat on the mother therefor she saw her only male rolemodel as an example of other men there for she turned gay. She has no idea what homosexuality was untill she was introduced to it by a TV show. My other friend was raised by a very feminie father and mother and she was unaware of what homosexuality was untill she was also introduced to it by a friend.
My uncle is a homosexual with a homophobic father. His father would continously scrutinize gays. As my uncle was rebellious it only made sense that he went for the one thing that his father hated the most.

This is true. I grew up with a set of identical twins. One is straight and one is gay and came out in middle school. They couldn't be further apart personality wise.

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I think many of the factors which determine personality must happen during brain development in-utero. I have identical twin daughters and they have had contrasting characters since birth, despite apparently sharing the same genetic material.

Doesn't even make sense because wouldn't you then have families full of homos.

That's not how environmental factors work. Sexual development in humans is extremely complex and heavily influenced by many social factors.

What's not complex is understanding that gay people don't reproduce therefore homosexuality can't be genetic.

I don't give a fuck why somebody is gay just as I don't give a fuck why somebody is a psycho. Whether they were born with it or learn it is irrelevant. What matters is the action. I'm okay with the psycho until he kills somebody and I'm okay with the gay until he acts on it. Homosexual actions are destructive and immoral and they should be opposed in every way.

''My highly hypothetical assumptions are facts!''

Synagogue of satan going nuts ITT

It's not genetic, but the cause is still biological (improper hormone distribution during pregnancy)

Note this is my belief, I don't have any hard evidence. But I believe it because gay men tend to be more feminine and I believe this is because they weren't given enough testosterone while in the womb. The opposite applies for lesbians, though they are not exactly opposites.

Didn't a lot of homos up until its recent cultural acceptance, live double lives and merely have wives and kids to fit in or fly under the radar -- also, I'm just a lot of homos are closeted to this day or in denial.

A homosexual gene is an oxymoron of sorts because homosexuality prevents breeding (not accounting for modern surrogates).

If there is a gay gene then the only way it could be passed on is through social pressures (bang women or you're going to hell).

One thing about homos, they lie about their agenda.

Xq28 gene shut up go home. Nobody has any need for apple wombs and pic related. Surrogacy. Replacing eggs. Enjoy the purse shopping. Maybe she'll release your balls to cry and drink on here about it sometimes

I never claimed they were facts. I said from my experience it seems to be psychological.

It could be that and it could be epigenetics. Just because you have identical genes does not mean they will all be switched on and off in the same sequence. That's how environmental factors can impact the expression of genes and how the environmental experiences of a person can be felt in the genetics of their children, grandchildren, and perhaps further.

>no straights are like this
Married with children. The blonde bimbo

Strong lack of understanding of genetics.

Homosexuality is said to be linked to the ring finger:index finger ratio. The longer your ring finger is to your index, the less chance of homosexuality. It's believed that this is due to testosterone in the womb giving a longer ring finger and boys with shorter ones getting more estrogen(which makes them gay), but it's actually a different correlation. Testosterone in the womb(for boys at least) is linked to facial attractiveness, longer finger = better looking. The gays are, on average, uglier, due to less pre-natal testosterone which in turn leads them to failure romantically and homosexuality.

Stop putting words into my mouth. My point is that I BELEIVE people can't be homosexual unless they are introduced to the idea.

I believe it may be perhaps some type of defect in neural wiring that controls our sexual attraction. There is obviously no advantage in terms of evolution for being homosexual. So while I view it as mostly not being a choice (I suppose you could also become gay by environmental conditioning), I most definitely view it as a defect and not normal.

its a combo nature nurture, that fag milo does a good job explaining when he was on the joe rogan podcast.

You believeing and it being factual or two different things. Your opinion holds no value if it debunked by science. IQ is genetic, but homosexuality is molded by the environment? I'm so fucking done with this site

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Nobody needs to hear yours nor anybody's idea. All I live by is the Bible but since this is more of a sciencey thread I don't feel like blowing you out on this like I have 16,000 times

Im gay and its completely a choice. Homosexuality being genetic is a myth created by the gay lobby so that it would be more acceptable.

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Shut the fuck up. I'm Winona rider and i hate stealing things

HOLY SHIT open a history book YOU DUMB nigger

No no this. This place is so shilly

Did you just say you don't feel like blowing him? is that nurture or nature?

Are you retarded?

While the behavior exists elsewhere in nature homosexual orientation does not, its genetically self defeating therefore leads to a dead end everywhere else within nature. Homosexuality is a mental disorder and should be treated as such.

Go suck your frogger's little cloaca

Here's the truth.

Gay people want gayness to be genetic AND a choice.

why? Because if it is genetic, then they get more respect.

But they want it to be a choice, because the fact is that gayness is rare, and gay people are lonely and depressed, and wish more people were like them, so they could belong.

Fuck up leaf

Nope. Exclusively gay are the animals who are in which exhibited more than 400 species

Do you like and/or own cats?

Don't worry man, we'll figure out how to stop estrogen from reaching the male fetus and keep it only to testosterone instead.
This is all the result of original sin. It is another challenge we must face if we are ever going to appease God.
Sorry you had to live with corruption. May your soul be saved.

look, even if you don't like the logical evidence (that homosexuality would have been bred out with natural selection, because they don't reproduce and so wouldn't pass on a 'gay gene'), then you do understand the empirical evidence. We've just about mapped the human genome. They know exactly where the aggression gene is, and the nurturing gene. They can tell you where the eye genes are.

There is no gene for homosexuality.

>muh genetic markers

They don't exist either.

It's not genetic.

>Homosexuality is genetic

>One thing I've never understood about Sup Forums is it's belief that homosexuality is influenced by environmental factors

Environmental factors effect your genetics, kid. Epigenetics.

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wow so many genes! :)

The gay gene
the furry gene
the pedo gene
the plant gene
the cripple gene
etc. etc. etc.

We have so many strange genes!

I haven't heard of a single gay person who wanted to be be gay by choice.

Yup

People go fag for many reasons. I know a guy who swore off women after he caught his fiance cheating on him. He's a trauma gay.

Show me a homosexual and I will show you a man coddled by a single mother.

It is environmental, combined with forced normalisation of this degeneracy.

Thanks. But if this is true why do i swim through people's massive rhetorical dumps whether i do anything or dont do anything and why does pic related happen? You want a flood of things that happen a lot but are hidden so very well? Pic related and shit like lilith

These posts are made to destroy the abundant #pizzagate evidence.

Do not fall for them.

There are both biological components to homosexuality and environmental causes. Look up studies about environmental pressures on latent trait selection. We might not be able to cure it but we can, and should, prevent it.

And pizzagate covers epstein and mar a lago and putin being on camera doing his pedo raspberries

You clearly have no idea how genes work. Please refrain from sharing your almost perfectly uninformed opinions in any discussions that hinge on genetic matters until you have at least a high school level understanding of biology, and then I'd still advise displaying some humility before those who know more than you.

Sup Forums is about internet counter culture. That means counter to INTERNET culture, e.g., hating gays and inheriting other cuckservative stances.

Mystery solved.

>Stranger Genes

>homosexuality is genetic
source?

It's because you're a leaf, friend

You clearly have no idea how psychology works. Read some Freud.

What Is a Phenotype the Thread.

I keep seeing this posted, but is the implication that these are designed to slide the #pizzagate threads? I'm well aware that we're under a full blown shill blitz especially with pizzagate and the Russian hacking FUD campaign. But how are threads like these stopping you guys from spreading info about it?

He was probably always at least bisexual

/lgbt is just a click away

No, while the BEHAVIOR can be found elsewhere in nature, the ORIENTATION is extremely rare, quit getting your bias information from fag websites and lrn2 science....queer

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18536986

I can't find any actual genetic information about heritable faggotry, which is probably because faggots cannot reproduce.

BUT, if there were a "gay gene" it would be under tremendous purifying selection.

Even things that contribute a ~1% risk to pre-mating conditions like schizophrenia have been found to be under extreme selective pressure.

I don't think gays necessarily have any control over their orientation by the time they realized they are gay, but I reject the possibility that it is inherited.

I forgot to say that fundamentally I don't care but all their arguments make it sound like it's a life of lonliness and vapidity. We all know men are vapid but not like women. I just find them better in every way. So if it's so bad, why is lonliness considered a bad thing? Makes it seem like they just want a taste of something they think is a big sack of their own bullshit. Whatever. It is what it is. Nothing like hearing all sorts of arguments against your own penis. It's great. Then they do the same acts and write it off as the legitimate original sin. I don't see it as my problem like I don't talk to them about their shit. It's always them first. They don't like this. Too bad. When men fuck the other dick goes flyin around. You got a pucci and somehing else. When benor go in Vagoyna you get two asses. Yay

>actions are genetic
Go away.
>What, so if I see two people being gay will I turn gay? Can someone please explain this backward thinking to me?
Decipher the "backward" thinking in your own strawman after you go away.

Sexuality is very maleable in general. Some people jack off to diapers and scat after being slowly introduced.
It's not too farfetched to believe that similar things happen to pretty much every sexual preference.

>boners are conscious volitions

>monkey see monkey do.

Who? Adam?

>non-seperated twin study provides evidence of nature>nurture
These are adults from the same pregnancy conditions, raised in the same household and still not all of them turned out to both be gay.

The abstract even states its a correlative based approach and that they pooled monozygotic and dizygotic twins.

The study proves nothing, and doesn't even provide evidence of anything.

>read some Freud

Hilarious. Don't get me wrong - I have a soft spot for coke-head perverts, but Freud isn't even remotely relevant. Suggesting Freud for learning about psychology is like suggesting Decartes for learning physics - entertaining enough, but totally outdated and pretty much entirely incorrect.

Alright man, we'll make sure this doesn't happen again

>Read some Freud

My bad. Do what you gotta do man

Oh sure, being a pozzed faggot with a lispy voice and blue hair with a prolapsed leaking asshole with ripped anal lining full of muicrotears that serve as disease incubators for shit and bacteria after you got fucked by hundreds of sexual partners because you are the epitome of a fucking degenerate is totally the result of your "genetics".

Blue waffles like your id

Homosexuality is on the rise.

Could be the epigenetics of bad things but the results are same but not bad. Nobody answered my xq28 gene thing. Nor ever do. All good

Homosexual here. In my case I don't think it was environmental or genetic; I was raised in a conservative catholic household, I didn't even think about homosexuality until I was 12 plus no one ever molested or raped me, and no one in my family is homosexual.

Though, I do believe that in my case, homosexuality was a biological defect. You see, my mother had to take quite a lot of meds when she was unknowingly pregnant with me, she was radiated with X-rays and had a surgery, thus all that stress on my developing self could have altered me in a way that wasn't noticeable at birth. While growing up, of course, my behavior alienated with that of the opposite sex, and when I hit puberty I began feeling attraction to the same-sex.

Homosexuality isn't caused by merely one factor like most people believe.

I think there is a genetic component that makes you predisposed to it. You know that kid who talked faggy (even though no one taught him) then predictably grew up to be gay? That couldn't have been his choice.

I............... will

Biologist here.

I'll let you know a secret: science is politicized as much as anything else. Why do you think there is so little research funded in the west regarding the heritability of things like intelligence? We know what we would find and the thought of what people might do with those results is discomforting to many. The facts are avoided due to the ends people might employ them towards.

We do have evidence suggesting a causal role for certain genetic changes (particularly in chromatin organization i.e. differences in how the DNA is packaged and accessed) in homosexuality. They will never be studied in that context though. Probably ever. If you discover that something such as homosexuality might have a genetic basis or that it might be caused by disregulated hormones or whatever than you are also implicitly saying that it might be a correctable deviation from your wild type normal human. That is could be "fixed".

Some might take that to mean that it is a disease and that it should be treated as such.

>so is cancer.

>I'm a vegan and I am homosexual.
Irrelevant. He said a vegan diet can not always does.
>I wasn't sexually abused as child. Anything else?
Irrelevant. He said they are often gay not all gay people were sexually abused. This level of stupidity is appalling. Please kill yourself.

Its actually what your mothers hormone production does to you. LowT causes it in males, High T causes it in females.

Were you a c-section baby per chance?

God Bless you. We are borne who we are. Same Creator. Some gain Christ. That's all I can say. Maybe add "born eunuchs" in there. Who were the first gays? Nobody knows. But I know who the first straights were. When I see ultra ridiculous shit I fight back but most people aren't unlike you these days

Oh damn, did they find the gay gene?

Even if it is, so are many mental illnesses. Literally, the same thing.

>what is a false dichotomy, alex?

If homosexuality is genetic and fags don't reproduce, why are there so many fags popping up these days?

Genetic? So now that being Gay is socially acceptable, this Gay gene should be wiped out within 2-3 generations right?

I'm Christian your attacks do nothing and obviously I knew you were shitting me. Get off my cock bro